So IT IS the youth (and the beauty)

[catzenmouse]

Legal,

 We put the "FUN" back in the dysfunctional family! 

 I too have had arguments with other members. Some of those same members are the ones who I now hold a great respect for. You have to have a pretty strong will to get into and follow through with an international relationship. Put a bunch of this type of people in a room and sparks are bound to fly on occassion.

Ken

[LEGAL]

Ken I do enjoy a good fight  from time to time it takes my mind off of the cases I work on. I feel it keeps me sharp 


LEGAL

[viking]

Legal/Olga

I do not think Turbo will leave. He has been through many other arguments here before and knows better. And vwrw is a smart and strong woman who knows better also. I would not worry.

[jb]

Speaking of signs... I saw a good on on a fence here in Kansas the other day...

"If you decide to cross this pasture.
We hope you can do it in 9 seconds.
The bull can do it in 10."

[Jumper]

Really,simply  much "todo" about a poorly worded  analogy.


btw-
wouldnt a RW of any age , with limited english, limited  career experience, and limited education,,
be considered - low reward = high risk?

but in reality may bring her husband huge happiness in family and life,
and of course then be the largest reward in his life?




in my case my young wife has good english, a higher degree ,,
with great career possibilties.  
high reward -low risk? (now ultimatly in this venture that's funny)

but she isn't interested in her field of study at all(chemical enginering)or a carrer in it.
and although a very hard working and ambitiuos personality,
who is presently working, is far more interested in having a family.
so doesnt that throw a wrench in any a simple "value " analogy?


Monetarally I'm low reward and high risk for my wife!!  

but i'm charming enough (and humble enough right? lol     )
to get past all that  

thanks goodness that marriage and love is more complicated than simple math and finances, even with the often pragmatic RW  

[BillyB]

Being rich does not change the genes.In a union between a young woman and much older man it is possible that the children will spend a lot of their life fatherless,not something to looks forwards to.

You're missing the point Mir. In most people's opinion, money doesn't make the man, the man makes the money. He may be intelligent, hardworking and determined to make his money to support a family. A man's genes may be a result of that. Women are more attractive to men who has goals and a drive in their life.

Children may not be more fatherless with a man who makes more money than a guy who works at McDonald's who would need two jobs to support his family. In early America many children grew up fine although their father worked from sun up to sun down.

I think too many people are making too much out of VWRW's use of the word  "reward". We all judge people walking down the street, who we meet, and even here at the forums. We all have our opinions on who is wise or dumb, good looking or ugly and rich or poor. Is it a crime to have an opinion? Or is it just a crime when we add names to our opinion? VWRW had the guts to add names to her opinion. I don't think she ever thought Olga was a terrible person or intended to insult her but she felt JB's wife had more earning potential and spoke her mind that it would make for a more valuable wife. But of course everybody may not agree since we all value different things. Some men like women who has brains and earning power, others will be content if she has big tits.

[LEGAL]

VWRW had the guts to add names to her opinion. I don't think she ever thought Olga was a terrible person or intended to insult her but she felt JB's wife had more earning potential and spoke her mind that it would make for a more valuable wife. Some men like women who has brains and earning power, others will be content if she has big tits.

I guess VWRW knows JB's wife personally and  JB's wife shares her thoughts about her life with VWRW.

VWRW doesn't know me  ???

I like persons who have brains too because they think before speaking.

Olga.

[Mir]

Is it too much to ask for a woman who has brains,earning power and big tits as well or is there an inverse relationship between bust size and IQ?

[jb]

I guess VWRW knows JB's wife personally and  JB's wife shares her thoughts about her life with VWRW.

This is not a true statement.  vwrw does not know jb's wife at all.  vwrw only thinks she knows jb's wife from what little jb posts here on the RWD about his wife.  Big difference.  Please do not drag jb's wife into this mess.

[LEGAL]

Sorry, jb 

It was not a statement...

Olga.

[KenC]

 
1.   Wife who is the same age = risk is low but reward is little also.
2.   Wife who is much younger = risk is high but reward is huge.

What a crock of crapola!  The risks are solely dependent upon the integrity, character and morality of the people involved not their age.  Are they telling the truth?  Are they being sincere?  Do they truly love each other?  Or is it a sham?  Does the RW need to act sincere in order to improve her circumstances?  Or is the man just looking for the youngest prettiest piece of azz that will have him?

Rewards?
To think that marrying a much younger woman is going to be more rewarding than a more similar aged woman is about as far from the truth as one can get.  I got a news flash for everyone here: Being married to a much younger woman is a pain in the azz in many ways!  The volume of what they do not know or have ever experienced can be overwhelming at times, no matter how mature they are,

It is so ironic that I ended up falling in love and married to woman so significantly younger as I was never enamored with women as young as my wife (of 8 years and counting).  The fact that I was more attracted to women closer to may age and saw that course as a more reasonable way to go didn't account for the two of us falling in love.  Please don't take this the wrong way, Lena and I are still hopelessly in love after all this time, but to think that she is some how more a "higher reward" woman because of her youth is nuts. 

To put the math to the potential income level of your future wife and use that as a criteria for selection is also bizarre to me.  If youth has an advantage in this category, I sure have not seen it.  That income statement is way to the red as I write here.  With schooling costs and what not, it will be years before it is in the black.  I will say that Lena's future career considerations have to consider the fact that I will not be around to support her in the years following my ultimate passing.

Someone up thread pointed out that it my be a reward to have a young wife on his arm in social situations.  I totally disagree with this too!  I think having such a young and beautiful wife immediately taints the first impressions of strangers and even acquaintances.  Lena has had to work up from the initial negative "arm candy" impression to show that she is much more than just a pretty young woman.

There are many more negatives than positives to marrying a much younger woman.  That is why I took my time in making the final decision to marry Lena.  She is so much younger and more beautiful than I had ever considered for a partner in life, that I certainly did not think of it as a positive at all but a huge negative to over come.

But it isn't the age of the person that will ultimately determine the rewards of being married to them.  It is the quality of the person and how well they fit into your life.  Oh, and let us not forget about love.  Without love any marriage is doomed to not being rewarding at all in my opinion.
KenC

[KenC]

Ken,

 That is a very good response. With all due respect, what do you think your wife would think of this post. Some are trying to defend it. But with remarks such as implying a man is "giving charity"From Legal:
I never thought of Olga as doing for me,

Mspanky,
I know full well what Lena thinks about marriages with huge age gaps.  Without total committed love, they will never work.  Too may compromises on both sides to over come and without a deep love for each other the marriage will be doomed.  It also takes two very unique individuals to pull it off and when it does happen to be successful, it is an aberration.
KenC

[Jumper]

KenC- there's simply no call for being so reasonabkle here.stop it.
 

[Mir]

Ken C

Excellent post.
You know sometimes I think there is some contradictions to what you write.
I mean marriage to a younger FSU woman just does not happen. Surely you decided to marry Lena and planned and perused this ambition till it was realized. But then I feel that perhaps in your case it was truly the circumstances which brought two soul mates together and who have worked hard to keep the relationship going.You have my great respect for this.
Somehow TGs case is different.From what I have read of his posts he was always chasing much younger girls then him (and also of a certain physical type ie light skin and dark hair).
Still that does not mean he cannot find his soulmate in what he has found. Only time will tell..........

[catzenmouse]

I have to completely agree with AJ here. How the heck can I sell tickets to the Big Fight if you are going to be reasonable? You're messing with my money making here. Stop It! 

[LEGAL]

Should I throw a grenade in the room Ken 


LEGAL

[Turboguy]

Start selling tickets Ken!!!  I am back and a little more rested after my cross country drive.   My mind is even functioning as poorly as it usually does.

As they say on HBO

Let's get ready to RRRRRRUMMMMMBBBEEELLLLLLLL

[KenC]

Ken C

Excellent post.
You know sometimes I think there is some contradictions to what you write.
I mean marriage to a younger FSU woman just does not happen. Surely you decided to marry Lena and planned and perused this ambition till it was realized. But then I feel that perhaps in your case it was truly the circumstances which brought two soul mates together and who have worked hard to keep the relationship going.You have my great respect for this.
Somehow TGs case is different.From what I have read of his posts he was always chasing much younger girls then him (and also of a certain physical type ie light skin and dark hair).
Still that does not mean he cannot find his soulmate in what he has found. Only time will tell..........

Mir,
I was never really "in the hunt" for a wife from Russia like most here.  I did see a girl on an agency website that offered the option to call her, so I did.  It was only after a couple of months of nonromantic phone conversations that I hopped on a plane to see her and a little bit of Russia (which I was always dying to see anyway).  As my plans evolved, I did join the agency and lined up some other women to meet while I was there.  What the hey?  I was a single guy and why not meet some other available women?  Every single woman I chose from the agency, was significantly older than Lena including a lady 18 years older. (Older than most of the AW I was dating)

Marrying a woman 26 years younger is crazy to me, but when Lena and I met it was magical for the both of us. With the heavy burden of knowing that our odds of a long term success were just about nil, I had to make sure everything else was as perfect as possible.  I was so unsure of the possibility of success that I never went the K-1 route, but arranged for Lena to come over on a student visa (without any promises of marriage).  I looked for every possible reason not to take such a foolish step as marrying such a younger woman.  Finally, after months here in America, I realized that a love like we found with each other is something worth taking a huge chance on.  So far, so good.  I hope that clarifies the circumstances for you.

Yeah, Turbo has spent the last 9 years chasing young Russian tail with a brief detour last year where he did meet more age "appropriate" women.  But he hightailed it to VWRW immediately after that.
KenC

[KenC]

Start selling tickets Ken!!!  I am back and a little more rested after my cross country drive.   My mind is even functioning as poorly as it usually does.

As they say on HBO

Let's get ready to RRRRRRUMMMMMBBBEEELLLLLLLL

Bring it!

[Turboguy]

Starting at the core issue, what VWRW said that so many seemed to find offensive, what she said was that there was more risk and more reward with a younger woman.   What she said first was:

1.   Wife who is the same age = risk is low but reward is little also.
2.   Wife who is much younger = risk is high but reward is huge.
Some men (I call them “rescuers”) choose low risk.
Some men (I call them “businessmen”) choose huge reward.
BUT there is one exception - JB who took low risk but received huge reward. I call him - Lucky guy!  

What she said next was.

Little reward wife – Legal’s Olga. Huge reward wife – JB’s wife. Both women are clever, beautiful and so on. Both women love their husbands. BUT, if you compared possibilities of these women, what they can do for their husbands you would see why one of them is little reward and other is huge reward.

Now guys, I want to ask you something.   Where do you think VWRW learned about RW-AM relationships?   Talking with her agency that she used to use?   Perhaps from her friends?   No, sorry, wrong on both counts.  She learned about it reading RWD for 4 hours a day.   What she fed to you in that post was basically what she picked up from you in your posts.

So now you are trying to say that a typical American man who had a choice of a younger, beautiful sexy, intelligent, romantic, caring woman is always going to run for the hills and seek out a more dowdy same aged woman.  Yea guys, I am not saying that there are not guys who prefer a woman close to their age but even the age poll shows some validity to what VWRW said.    Mirror, mirror on the wall, her comments are mirroring what many of you have said on RWD even if you don't want to admit it.

Part 2 of what she said:  She was trying to make the point that an intelligent, ambitious, hard working wife can be more of an asset than one who is only pretty.  In the case of something unfortunate happening to the guy, it could be the most wonderful thing that could happen.   If you think this is wrong you are running short of brain matter.

As far as the comparison she made of Olga and jb's wife.  I won't argue the fact that is is not in good taste to call someone who reads and participates here worth far less then another person.   I think she realizes that now too and would take it back if she could but her principal and her reasoning were sound.  There are a lot of wives who come from the FSU and are not able to thrive here.  I have a good friend who has been married a year and the only job she has been able to find is cleaning toilets. (she quit after 5 weeks because it was too much work)  If he would ever encounter health problems I have no doubts his wife would have more value to him if she could and would find a good job.  

I think VWRW underestimated how well Olga has adapted to life here and the contribution she is making to Legal.  You could add in the fact that jb's wife has done all of the above and according to jb is also filthy rich so that may add to the value but I don't want to go there.   VWRW and Olga have had a bit of a cat fight at times and the only thing I plan to do is stay out of the way.  

Do I think VWRW owes Olga an apology.  That is up to her.  I am not going to influence her one way or the other.   I do think a lot of you owe VWRW an apology though.

Other than the comment about Olga VWRW's post was a good one and shows her insight and how much she has learned from all of you.

[Turboguy]

Should I throw a grenade in the room Ken 
LEGAL

I think there has already been a few grenades Legal,  How about a bunker buster?

[Turboguy]

All that I am saying that any pre-judgement of a potential spouse in the US should include finances.  Of course, I am also against pre-judgement of people soley on the basis of wealth.

But we are not speaking of this, we are speaking of a FSU woman considering everything that it take to move to a foreign country and to make a decision on what her future life has to offer.   And I am also saying that some consideration should be given to those who are participating in this forum and who are communicating in a second language.

Nice post Voyager.   I wonder how many of us could participate to the tune of a few hundred posts on a Russian Language forum without sticking our foot in our mouth occasionally.

[viking]

Told you so! Told you so!

Shields Up! Laser guns on stun! Scotty we need more power ! Warp 6!

[LEGAL]

I think there has already been a few grenades Legal,  How about a bunker buster?

Ok TurboGuy MMM my friend you  launched the bunker buster! The ball is snapped and the game is on

Please remember I meant what I said in my previous post! Lets have friendly discourse. We ARE A FAMILY HERE.

LEGAL  

[SANDRO43]

Is it too much to ask for a woman who has brains,earning power and big tits as well or is there an inverse relationship between bust size and IQ?

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  IQ =     ------------
              Size

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