So IT IS the youth (and the beauty)

[BillyB]

I don't want to be used...

Nobody likes to be used, and VWRW recognizes that fact and apologized the same day making her original statement for using you as an example for her opinion but yet we are on page 17 now with no end in site.

A poster on another forum once told me that my fiancee was a few leagues better than me in physical appearance. In other words, he said I'm much uglier than she is. I was not insulted and took it as a compliment. I'd rather have people look at my fiancee's ass over mine when we walk down the street. Also, if I'm lacking physical beauty, there must be something more about me that attracts women. I gave him something to think about because I know my worth. Our exchange, including another poster who tried to defend me lasted 3 posts, one post for each of us instead of a dozen pages.

[Jooky]

What a crock of crapola!

That sums up this whole thread for me. I guess it's fun to argue.

[KenC]

One thing that is disappointing is the attacks on another man's woman. It's not cool to attack another man's woman here, period. Either stay out of the cat fight or try to break it up. If Legal felt his wife insulted, he has the right to defend her honor but for the numerous guys out there ganging up, it doesn't show good etiquette to beat a woman down.

VWRW is a member here of equal standing just as you and I are and she will have to stand on equal ground as we do. This is far different than having someone attacking a members wife that doesn't participate here.  VWRW is subject to others opinions just the same as all of us. I agree that Turbo is in a weird position though.
KenC

[Jazzyclassy]

 What a crock of crapola!

That sums up this whole thread for me. I guess it's fun to argue.      

Just  people should try to accept that it is no point in competing

 For me I felt both disgusted with vrwww and Olga  and Turbo and Legal for singing in the choir as a background for them,  though I do not know them

But I thought them to be much more than that,  they were quoting from different scientists and philosophers and occured to be   the ones they were pointing at those their comments

which comment will they post characterizing their scandal here?  I wonder

They have different preferences in life different opinion, so just leave it there where it is,

Let this Turbo and his wife  live how they want and pray for Money

and Legal with Olga live how they do pray on something else ,but am sorry I doubt it is pure soul only.........

Let there be nice atmosphere here, for some reason I felt like it was LL site which is completely scandalicious and awful

[BillyB]

VWRW is a member here of equal standing just as you and I are and she will have to stand on equal ground as we do. This is far different than having someone attacking a members wife that doesn't participate here.  VWRW is subject to others opinions just the same as all of us. I agree that Turbo is in a weird position though.
KenC

That's fine as long as we debate opinions instead of attacking the person making the opinion which has happened many times in this thread. The only people I would think about attacking their character and not debate are the trolls who stop by occasionally to play games.

[Jumper]

mir,
 dint mean to take you to tasks about it all..
it just seemed a strange analogy..

as fars as the thread topic.

hmm..
it wasnt about youth/beauty  ..in my case.
the relative age/beauty  of who i dated was the same dating any where in the world..and i had the oppurtunity to do so and i did! lol
and yes  almost all my life dated young women,
for no better reason than because  i could ,
 and because it was fun.
no apologies!  
in my life a couple of them have *caught* me for marriage,
 and well that is ok too! in fact its the best of times.


but yes i would say *often* it is about western men looking for something better than he can find at home..
and ultimately i dont see anything wrong with that.
as the women are looking for something better as well.


since weare being soo VERY direct lately..

i'll say i honestly think in the beginnings,,

MANY men are indeed simply looking for better physically than what they can find at home.

and not to be outdone, the average RW signed up at an agency is fundamentally looking for economically better propects than she has in her life.

sounds rather bleak right?

but i also feel that ULTIMATELY..
both find the reality is different than they imagined..

and ultimately.. the men still find something better than what they could often find at home,,
the better part being more in the RW character ,soul, and family orietation.(its not a complete myth)
and also they get more ..something BETTER,
simply  because they  meet more quality and available women than they generally have in thier own back yard.  

the women get more as well.. in more availible family oriented men certainly in certain age catergories,
(its also not just a myth,,but not as streched as the agencies hype it)
that have the means to support a decent family life.


in the end is it all that bad ?  

[I/O]

Some have been lucky enough to find that special woman, and I think it's more often a case of luck
rather than pragmatism. 

Luck just doesn't come into the equation period.  If anyone is of the opinion that luck will see them through this pursuit then they are still being visited by the tooth fairy.  Ever notice how the people who get a little bit smart about things and work a little harder than the average seem so often to get lucky?

The luck notion falls into the same catagory as the "Everyone deserves a shot at a FSUW" thing.  Horsesh!te.

I/O

[Jumper]

ehh..
it was ALL dumb luck for me I/O!

even a blind chicken finds some corn occassionally

but i guess it does stand to question how much horsh1te he pecks thru first huh? (sorry for the bad visual )   
but it seems a perfect analogy for this thread   

[Makkin]

Hello,

  I'm off topic a bit again as a new member tends to do.

  AJ,

  I read your post about love at first site and your wife. I really liked that you posted those details of your life. I regret with all sincerity that you lost her. I lost a child at birth and the feeling is always there but the feeling is mostly positive for the time we had.

  Is it round 3 yet?

  Makkin
 

Makkin

 

[Mir]

Mir:
What can JBs wife do for him that Legal's wife can't do for him?
vrvw
Mir, what can healthy ones do that almost deaf and speechless ones cannot do? What can employed women do that unemployed women cannot do?  
JB’s wife can do everything what Legal’s wife does and plus a lot things more… so as JB’s wife has perfect English and has good job, huh?

vrvw

As I have written before I don't see the red flags for TG. Also I can appreciate most (if not all) of what has been assumed to be insulting behaviour from you as the result of Russian bluntness that can come across awkwardly on such a forum.
But the fact remains that you compared two coupels in a stable long term relationship (i.e JB-wife and Legal-Olga) and you deducted that one wife can do a lot more for the husband and so is huge reward.
The problem is that you know practically nothing about either of these two couples.I have no idea what prompted you to assume that you know so much about them so as to be able to use them as examples for your reward based relationship?
Now a red flag for you. It has been mentioned that you aspire to be a successful businesswoman in US. So when you are working on this then please don't buy company stocks etc based on your assumptions of which company is huge reward and which is little reward.First get the facts and figures,analyze them and then decide.

[SANDRO43]

For me I felt both disgusted with vrwww and Olga and Turbo and Legal for singing in the choir ...

I sing in a choir. ARE YOU CRITICISING CHOIR SINGERS  ?
        

[catzenmouse]

Now I know why you're Turboguy. Pretty impressive website.

 

 Turbo,

 Just an FYI. Your bottom navigation menu does not wrap in Firefox and causes a very large horizontal scroll. Works fine in IE. Don't have Opera to check that one.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming...

[Turboguy]

Ken, Thanks for the comment.   I had not tried it in Foxfire but I will look at that and see what I can do when time permits.   I do appreciate that.

Mir, The comment was made earlier in this thread that VWRW should apologize to Olga.  I believe she has now apologized twice.  I hope this satisfies those who felt it was what was needed to help resolve the situation.

Sandro,  could you perhaps post an AV file of your choir so we can criticize them properly.   Perhaps we can start an American Idol for choirs.  Simon is probably free in the off season anyway.

AJ & I/O  one of the statements that I had made to VWRW in one of my early letters that she really liked was my belief that we make a lot of our own luck.  I still believe that and I think it applies to searching for a partner in our life as well.

Billy, I agree with you that we should be attacking ideas and not people.  Perhaps we need a 10 commandments to try to guide us in posting as well as our search for a RW.

Jazzy,  Sorry Jaz, but money is not even a small motivator for me.  My own office manager made the comment she had never seen anyone like me in her career because I have no interest in personal gain.   Everyone she has ever worked for was trying to get every cent they could from their business.   For me, my reward is watching the business grow, the income it produces is unimportant as long as it is enough that the business runs smoothly.  I can't speak for Legal on that issue but he is a lawyer and I don't even want to think about going there.  Anyway Jazzy, I appreciate your participation in the thread.

As far as the comments about age and age difference.  It is an individual thing.  I mentioned the relationship with the 21 year old when I was 45.  During our nearly 4 years together I was aware of two guys that she felt were very attractive and lets say turned her on.  One was a business associate 6 years older than me.  One was a guy about 65 on a soap opera.   At 21 if she had a choice of Brad Pitt or Sean Connery she would not have had a minutes interest in Brad.   Actually one of her biggest complaints about my appearance was that she was always after me to die my hair grey so I would look older and more distinguished.  Unfortunately for her I had no grey hair and still have very little.  My aunt just died yesterday and she made it into her 90's with little grey hair so it will be fine for me if it is in the genes.   My point.  There is no right or wrong.  We are people and we all have our own interests, desires and preferences.   As long as they don't hurt others it is just a part of what makes us who we are.

[I/O]

even a blind chicken finds some corn occassionally

AJ  True, but usually the blind chicken knows what it wants.  Methinks it a tad wiser than some I have seen wondering aimlessly around the FSU.    I can't accept that you are/were blind, I am given to understand your lady is very attractive.  

I ain't too smart, but I am just smart enough to recognise wisdom when I see it and recently someone whom I respect a good deal quoted this to me.  (I think originally from Henry Ford)  "Luck comes when experience readies us for opportunity". Kinda cute way of saying "Get a few clues first" and then you might find you get lucky.

VWRW Although, I think your choice of wording and later defence of it upthread left much to be desired, I well enough understood the point you were trying to make.  Nevertheless no person in and of themeselves is "Reward" in any relationship.  Your thinking is way off in this respect and more life experience will show that to you in due course.  The rewards come from what two people develop together in there relationship and the skills or abilities of one or the other or both may help, but those skills or abilities are no reward to the other person in and of themselves.  FWIW, don't fall for the same trap as many men on these boards do by making sweeping statements about matters of which you know nothing and then trying to defend the indefenceble.

Turbo Your blanket defence of your other half is admirable at least, and I might well have done the same thing in your boots.  Just a bit of advice from one who aint so old and wise, sometimes you can't do everything for them and it is better for them, if we stand back and let them get their own nose bloodied just a touch.  It will happen eventually and better sooner than later.  BTW there has been a few good clues in this thread for you if you sift the BS out of it and you'd do well to take them in rather than shutting the door on them.  Your head/s are pointing a touch too much towards the stars in all of this and don't forget, nobody here wants to see you come unstuck again.  Think about it, both of you.

I/O  

[SANDRO43]

Sandro, could you perhaps post an AV file of your choir so we can criticize them properly.

OK, here's a very crude recording of Jacob Arcadelt's (1504–1568) Ave Maria. It was made with a cell phone, and we are now trying to clean it up and remove a lot of funny noises from it (there were NO flocks of twittering birds in the church when we sang it ).

[Turboguy]

Randy says,  Yo Bro, Dude that was hot.  I was justa diggin that.  Yu got it together man.

Paula says.  I just loved it, it was so melodious,

Simon says,  Usually I disagree with Randy and Paula, but sit down, you are safe for another week.

Of course anyone not in the USA may not even know what I am talking about.  Very nice Sandro.

[Jazzyclassy]

Dear Sandro


 I sang in the choir myself for 6 years so I never meant to hurt you or anything

I just have specific english , I meant they were  supporting those women on the background they were singing the same songs these women did:))) Olga and Vwrrw and their hubbies. It is my new english idioms with russian elements:) I go for progress in language ahahhaha

You keep singing and never give up singing Sandro , it is amazing:)

[catzenmouse]

One simple thing for us all to remember here is that for people who are speaking English as a second language even a simple phrase can easily be taken way out of context.

I have never seen vwrw as someone who would be insulting just for the sake of doing it. Some of the spats lately have been between the women and much of it due to language (in my opinion anyway) so maybe it would be a good idea if we took a little extra time, and a lot less emotion, to truly understand the meaning of the post.

vwrw,
 It would have been very easy to run away and not bother to apologize. You made the choice to do the right thing. Thank you for that.

Ken

[LEGAL]

WVRW,

Please show me LEGAL's post where he said "You are a narrow-minded woman".
I'm sure you will not find it.

Thank you for your apology. But to say "I'm sorry" and to  realize one's action it is two different things.

Your  comparison is just a silly things in my opinion.

vwrw does not know jb's wife at all.  vwrw only thinks she knows jb's wife from what little jb posts here on the RWD about his wife.  Big difference.  Please do not drag jb's wife into this mess.

(Sorry jb) and you don't know me.

If your hobby is to account somebody's income and rewarding and you have a desire to talk about your hobby try to use an intelligent way. If you don't know how to do it just don't do it.

Do you really think that some people can not see an essence of the matter behind honey complements?

I think you as a future successful American business woman should understand such simple things.

Olga.

[SANDRO43]

Of course anyone not in the USA may not even know what I am talking about.  Very nice Sandro.

Quite so, I only got your LAST last sentence, who's the other lot, the Mamas and Papas ?

so I never meant to hurt you or anything

Jazzy, I know, I was only joking, as these
     
are supposed to indicate . Glad to hear you were a fellow singer : soprano or contralto ?

[mspanky]

TG,

 I understand your ex had a thing for much older guys. I guess to some that might seem great. But there is something deeper than that in the relationships she seeks.

 I know a guy who is in his 30's. Great looking guy who happens to be in a very popular spectator sport. Will not say his name because I don't want to get sued. Anyway, this 30 something guy who is worth at about 40+ mil, through great salary and real estate investments in the LA area during the past 10 years. Very smart business style. Anyway, he  ONLY is attracted to women in shape that are late 50's and 60's. Thank goodness the older women in that area are very health conscious and many of that age keep themselves attractive.

  In talking with a woman about this issue, she thought it was great he was so open minded and wanted to date only much older women. I thought he actually was close minded and probably has issues where he really is searching for his mother.If he only likes ones much older what is the reason? Has he even tried dating women his age? Why is he not attracted to compatible age?


   There are men who are Asianphiles and the Asian women I have spoken with say there is usually a deeper issue. They would prefer to date a man who dates all sorts of women. But just happened to attacted to  her. Not her race.



   A person who goes out of societies norm and has a fetish for just one sort of person whether obese,much older,ceratin race attractions, ect usually has a reason for it,which goes back to the past. I'm no therapist.

[LEGAL]

Guys, who have LOVED, BEAUTIFUL and CLEVER wives.
Do you want your wives to talk with you?
Do you want your wives to make sex with you?
 

WVRW,

I hope with all my heart you will not discuss a sexual life of members and make your conclusions on the grounds of your comparison...

Olga.

[LEGAL]

From Legal:
I never thought of Olga as doing for me,

WVRV,

LEGAL and I  don't  even have such thoughts like to tell each other who and how much is doing for each other.  We just enjoy our life together.

Olga

[Mir]

Looks like we are all Russophiles here!

[Turboguy]

No Sandro, that comes from one of our top TV series that is now in full tilt running 5 hours a week in 3 nights.   Basically they start out with 100.000 potential singers and cut down over a dozen weeks to one who is then the American IDOL.   They have three judges, Randy, a hip talking black dude, Paula Abdul who you may have heard of from her recording career who is sort of mushy and complimentary and Simon who is about like jb. 

Olga,   Thanks for the comments.  You are sounding a bit like the energizer bunny.