I am not a newbie anymore but still learning a lot!!

[davidgindenver]

My name is David Gonzalez and I live in Denver, Colorado. I am 52 years old and very interested in finding a beautiful, intelligent progessional Russian woman to marry! I am in no hurry but I guess that I will be posting an ad in Elenas models within the next 45 days. I have learned a lot in the last 30 days and gotten great response form http://www.lovetopping.com with a GOLD membership! Thanks for everyones suggestions and I still am learning a lot from everyone. I have already gotten several different women to communicate with and I am having a good time with this. I plan on traveling to Russia within 6 months and pick 5 to 7 women to meet!

I do real estate in the United States and I would love someone that could team up with me to do real estate deals in the United States. We would live in  Colorado and spend a lot of time in sunny southern California and sunny Florida!! I have a ton of investors and realtors nationwide that I know!l  I have availaable real estate investments(commercial, residential and land development) all over the USA also!


I have been divorced since 1995 and I have 16 year old boy and girl twins  and a 20 year old daughter. All three of my children are working and the twins are going to high school. All three of them will go to college in two years in southern California, I hope?

I work out in the gym three times a week and I tan indoors during the winter months. I am in excellent health and work a lot of hours until I find that special someone from Russia. My goal is for her to work side by side with me in my real estate deals!

I would appreciate any and all assistance from anyone reading this posting so that I might find that special Russian woman in her mid thirties.

My pic is posted at http://www.investtoday.info. I am the man on the phone in the suit doing a real estate deal.

Thanks to all the regulars on this site for taking the time to read this and I can be reached at davidgindenver@yahoo.com.

Or you can call me at 303-468-9350 or 720-495-2433!!   Have a super productive year in 2005!!

Sincerely,

 

David Gonzalez

[Turboguy]

Hi David,

Good luck in your search.   I think you will be happy with the platinum membership in Elena's  that you are talking about.   Mine has a month to run and when I first signed up the messages were almost coming in faster than I could read them.  

Just watch that you talk more about David as a person and not too much about how much David has.    I am sure a lot of the Russian gals want security but they want a good man even more.   I think you will have little problem finding the gal you are looking for.

[Todd]

Best of luck!

I'm happy to hear that you decided to take the plunge.  As a logistics issue, I would probably recommend going after Sept 1.  The air fares will be much cheaper and everyone will be back from their summer vacations.   However, I wouldn't recommend going much after early November as it is very cold. 

Also, if you plan to visit 5-7 women, you might want to narrow down to one or two geographic locations once you have met a couple of women that you DEFINITELY want to visit.

I also second turboguys laudatory opinion of Elena's models. 

Best of luck.

[Bruno]

Hello David,

Happy to read that you have change you meaning about travelling in Russia... this will be a good experience...

But again, it is maybe not good to mix your business with the quest for a wife... and since last month, it is always the same with your site... 404 error after the main page...

Since you have a very confortable financial situation, that it will be your first trip, that you are always some newbies,... about agency, i recommend you to use a tour like the agency of Marc Dayton... not a blind tour but one where you have already select 5-8 woman... the advantage of local agency like Marc will be that woman are from the same city, more easy for the meeting...

A other agency who can be good for you, it is the service of Kevin... since he organize chat session with web-cam, you will be able see the woman in reality before the trip... very interest for make you selection...

Marc and Kevin are member of these forum... one is in Russia, the second in Ukraine... some other member here are owner of other agency... don't be afraid to ask help when it is needed...

[jb]

I am not a newbie anymore

Until you actually get on a plane and make a trip you are still a newbie... Actually, until you can make your way x-town unassisted on the Moscow Metro you are a newbie.

[Son of Clyde]

I have been to Eastern Europe 4 times and still consider myself a newbie.

As far as taking the subway alone in Kiev, I would be totally lost. I can only imagine how congested the Moscow metro must be.

Since not as many people own automobiles as in the west, the subways are extremely congested. It is a unique experience, like a constant rush hour.

Russian women don't care so much how often you work out at the gym. It seems to be an American thing we like to boast about. Some of these women don't mind flabby men as long as they are good men.

You have some very good qualities let her know about the real person beneath the fit body.

Good luck.

[Turboguy]

You made some good points Son of Clyde.   I have been on both metro systems.   I find Kiev the more confusing just because I have been on it less.   I have made tons of trips on the Moscow system and was able to get many places without even looking at the map.   They are mobbed at times.

I think the women there like a fit body just like women do everywhere but I agree with you that it is not critical for success.   I can always recall on my first trip to visit Luda she rubbed my tummy and asked when the baby was due.

[jb]

she rubbed my tummy and asked when the baby was due

I told my wife I was expecting an elephant and then showed her the trunk.  

I refuse to get on the Moscow Metro before 10:00AM or after 5:00PM.  Regardless of how many times a man goes to the FSU, he will always encounter new situations he has difficulty sorting out.  The language factor just makes things impossible for a non-Russian speaker for the FSU.  But I have the same "newbie" feelings if I go to a strange city here in the US.  You have to be able to get around without being led about by the hand, otherwise the first time your g/f, or agency interperter, isn't handy, you are housebound, or worse, lost.

I merely point out to David that while it's good to be confident, he must recognize the limitations that are placed upon him in such a totally foreign place.  Don't get too far ahead of yourself or you'll become food for the sharks.  

[davidgindenver]

I just wanted to say my thank you to everyone. OKAY, so I am still a Newbie!!

I am naive, sincere, lonely and very much over excited about finding a wife overseas!

I apologize for me over aggresiveness and over excitement but I have been lonely since my divorce in 95 and besides my three great kids and work, I have not had anyone beside me to do everything with.

SO....THAKS to everyone and have a very productive year in 2005!

I willhave plenty more questions for the non-newbies soon!

 

david gonzalez

 

 

 

[TwoBitBandit]

[user=130]Son of Clyde[/user] wrote:

As far as taking the subway alone in Kiev, I would be totally lost. I can only imagine how congested the Moscow metro must be.

I've heard others say this, and I don't really 'get' it at all.  I've been on metro systems in Paris, London, Tokyo, Taiwan, Moscow, Madrid, Barcelona, Munich....and probably a couple I've forgotten about.  Once you've figured one out, you've figured them all out.

They all work the same way.  You first have to figure out which line you're on and which line your destination is on.  Then, you just find the transfer station between those two lines.

The trick to not going in the wrong direction is memorizing which station is at the END of the line you're about to get on.  Then, when the decision comes to decide which hallway to take to different sides of the tracks, you will be able to quickly find the station at the end of the list.  (Some systems ONLY tell the one at the end, and some give you a list, but if you remember the one at the end you'll always do OK.)

...and one more thing, as any Brit can tell you... it's important to 'mind the gap'.

[jb]

David said:

I am naive, sincere, lonely

I want you to be successful in your quest. However you need to get past naive and lonely.  These two traits will get you engaged and married to the first semi-good looking woman who gives you the time of day.  This usually spells disaster.  You say you are sincere, that's good, a Russian woman can smell a phony a mile away, don't ask me how I know this, but they are extremely intuitive.  Ask any man who has been married to one for any length of time and he'll tell you they can spot a lie in a heartbeat.

You have expressed a desire to find a woman who can participate in your real estate business.  I hope you understand that this is highly unlikely.  Real estate in the FSU is pretty much a cash business and is done by a mere handful of people and they are so successful you'd play hell in getting one to relocate as a MOB. You will not find anyone who has any grasp of the American Real Estate business, especially amongst the ladies you are going to find on a MOB site.  Further, if you intend to involve your new bride in the biz anytime soon, you will also be looking for a woman who already has a good handle on the English language.  You cannot train a business partner with whom you cannot communicate with using fairly complex words and sentences.  Basic English will simply not cut the mustard.

What I'd suggest you do is reassess your goals here, concentrate on finding a good match, a good woman who can learn to love you and your children first, worry about the  real estate deals later.  If you think it over, I'm sure you'd rather have a loving wife than a business partner. Every Russian woman I've ever met will tell you that "family" is more important than money anyway.

But first and foremost, understand that this isn't like going to the pet store and picking out a cute puppy.  Regardless of the hype you will read on the MOB websites, you are talking about real people here, these woman have their own agendas.  Make sure the two of you mesh on a personal level without coloring your thinking with future business deals.

[jb]

2BitBandit,

With the Moscow Metro system, especially at the city center, it's the stacking of train tracks on all the different levels that confuses people not accquainted with the system.  That, and the near vertical high speed escalators that would produce vertigo in an space shuttle veteran.  Keep you eye on the landing platform, do not attempt to read the advertising pasted on the ceilings, otherwise you'll fall on your ass crashing into at least 10 other surly Moscovites.

A decent map of the system can be had for the asking at the National Hotel downtown.  All the lines are color coded so if you know which line you need to catch, and can recognize enough of the Russian alphabet to read your exit stop, I suppose you could get x-town on your own.  Good luck to the newbie in any case.  

Look at it like an adventure.

[Son of Clyde]

That, and the near vertical high speed escalators that would produce vertigo in an space shuttle veteran.

I have found it is useless telling people I don't like heights. When I was in London I would take the tube to the stations that had elevators to avoid the seemingly endless vertical escalators.

When I was with my lady in Kiev I said nothing and tried to pay attention to her and not to the uneasy feeling I had. When she told me not to touch railings because they are dirty I almost panicked inside. Imagine riding the escalator without holding on to the railing.

[Turboguy]

If you think they are bad in London son of Clyde, try out Moscows.   They were build to double as bomb shelters and you go down and down and down and down.   You will not belive how deep some of them are.   But they are very well maintained and very efficient.

[jb]

When I first saw the palacial beauty of the underground Metro stations I was shamed.  In the US, anything like that would be totally defaced with spray painted graffiti within a week.  I didn't notice so much as a pencil mark on those subway walls anywhere.  It really highlights another difference in "culture" between the US and Russia.

[Bruno]

When I first saw the palacial beauty of the underground Metro stations I was shamed. In the US, anything like that would be totally defaced with spray painted graffiti within a week. I didn't notice so much as a pencil mark on those subway walls anywhere. It really highlights another difference in "culture" between the US and Russia.

The difference is not in "culture"... more in the model of jail... the russian one are like a hell... the Western one like hotel... since western country is the new "model" for Russia, these problem go appear early of late...

[jb]

Bruno,

Once again you completely baffle me.  Why would you post an arguement to a rather simply, innocent remark like that?  

I have two step-sons, both of whom are vodka, and piva swilling Russians, I assure you neither of them would ever dream of defacing public property.  It is just not part of their culture.  In all my travels in Russia I have yet to see graffiti the likes of which I see daily here.  For some odd reason, as bad as it seems, Russian parents somehow instill in their young a certain respect for public places.  I think it's civic pride, or maybe a nationalistic ferver, patriotism perhaps, whatever it is, young kids don't go around spray painting their names on city monuments.

There's an old joke here in south Texas that asks: "why you don't see many Mexican doctors?"  The answer is:  it's just too hard to write a perscription with a can of spray paint.  You just can't imagine how bad it is, any fence or wall, will be decorated with "tags" within days of being freshly painted.  It's a never ending battle.

[Bruce]

In my opinion St. Petersburg is a breeze in comparison with Moscow.  I find Moscow to be the most difficult to navigate because of the stacking system / need to walk to connecting terminals that JB already described so eloquently.  Kiev is even simpler than St. Petersburg, but it is a relatively small subway system.  Those are the only three I have travelled on.  It is always best to have your girl do the navigating. 

[MandM]

I work out in the gym three times a week and I tan indoors during the winter months. I am in excellent health and work a lot of hours until I find that special someone from Russia. My goal is for her to work side by side with me in my real estate deals!

David,

Are you looking for a wife or a business partner? I don't think you will be able to find both in a RW. As someone mentioned before the real estate in Russia is completely different. We haven't heard of mortgages until few years ago!. And do you really think its so important to mention that you TAN INDOORS DURING THE WINTER??? Surely, it is much more important to tell them about your personality? We RW are more interested in your SOUL that in your physical appearance!

[Son of Clyde]

M and M,

I think it is nice to work with your spouse but often it can lead to arguments. Since real estate is such a productive field if a RW can find this kind of work in the US it would be much better than a waitress job.

I think David wants to be able to share equally with his wife which does not sound too bad in my opinion.

Most men who are beginning this process of meeting a RW want to present themselves in the best possible light. Being tanned and fit sounds much better than being pale and overweight.

 

[Maxx]

David

I would strong advise you to play down your real estate connections and having your future wife participate in this business with you. It is always best to leave finances out of the equation at first. Successful guys who are open about such things attract scammers and marriage fraud scammers. I speak from experience on this.

I would recommend that you learn all you can about how business is usually conducted there. Especially the marriage business. You need a mentor. Try and get a few phone numbers from experienced ones on this board and others and call them. Beware of those who give you a candy coated version of marrying a woman from the FSU. There are plenty of good women there but there are plenty of bad ones mixed with them. Understand what "agency hype" means.

You may consider finding a lady with an entrepreneral (sp) background running a small business.   

Good luck

Maxx 

[MandM]

Maxx,

Don't advise him to play down his real estate connections - maybe he is looking for a free labourer! May be even on a temporary basis - the one he can send home after two years and get a new one! Just like your pal kops2222, who deprived his wife of a GC and was trying to send her back home after 30 months of marriage and with a little baby on her hands? Don't you feel a bit ashamed to be jumping to defend someone dishonest like him?. I would if I were you.

I am new to this forum but even I got your point! I'm sorry you had a bad experience but you do sound like a stuck record sometimes. 

[Turboguy]

Hi M&M,  I am just curious what made you say that.   I did not see anything in is information that seemed like he was out to take advantage of someone or was looking for a free laboror.  I thought you must have noticed something I did not and I am just curious about it.  

Personally I think everyone has ideas about the life they would want.   Someone in the Real Estate business in his area could make a lot of money.   He could well be wanting to do the gal a favor.   Money may be very important to him.  It is to many people.   One of the things I would like is if my future wife could travel with me.  I do a lot of trade shows for my business to places like Vegas, Orlando, New Orleans, Boston etc and they are fun and interesting and it would be great if she could come along, but it would limit her occupational opportunities if she does so I am not counting on it.

Back to David's info.   I thought he was just a little too direct in the things he said.   I think a lot of women would be impressed with what he has to offer but I think it is better to be a little more subtle with things and to go into more detail over a long correspondence.   I thought his info needed to be a little less detailed and less "thingy" and a little more about the inner person.   I think it needed to be less  direct and softer.   For example if he said he tried to lead a healthy life style and to stay fit most gals would look at that as a positive thing.  If you the number of times you go to the gym and the exercised regimins you follow and how many reps you go into on each exercise and the amount of weight you can bench press (yes, i am exagerating to make a point) you are going to do more harm than good.   

Anyway back to my main comment here, I am curious what you saw.   Sometimes people read things in between the lines that others may miss. 

[MandM]

Hi Turboguy,

No, I haven't read anything between the lines so it wasn't an attack on David. I was being Maxx and trying to show that you can get paranoid and start seeing ghosts if you generalize. Because I have worked for my ex for over two year and he never gave me any money it doesn't mean that everyone is going to treat their women like that, does it? Sometimes you have to give your partner benefit of the doubt. Im sure David is just looking for a companion who would share his life, including a business part of it.

[Maxx]

I need to do some explaining....

Kops2222 is not a friend. He is just some guy who contacted me. This happens on a regular basis from various guys who have gotten themselves in trouble. When I talk to them I hear certain things I could post but I do not. I think it is best not to as this would betray a confidence they place in me.

In regard to some things he posted. "3 years to get a greencard?" No it is 3 years from the green card to US citizenship. That is what the I-360 petiton offers. Her parents coming in? Yes after she becomes a US citizen and files and I-130 relative petition. Then wait for this is many years.

In my conversations with these men I have noticed some things that have disturbed me with some of them not all. Some of these guys are really very verbally abusive about their wives. Calling them names the kind of names that would get one thrown out of a respectable place. Some of these guys want to deport their wives whom they have had children with. Then take their child or sometimes not and send the wife back. Some even suggest tricking their wife into going back for a visit and while there file for the divorce and steal her passport and visa.

I don't approve of any of this.  

In this group of guys is another sort. They are usually guys who can best be described as naive. Many (most) want their wives back even after she filed false charges against them and had them put in jail. From what I can tell they are still in love with their wives. Some are in tears and bewildered about what happened. Usually they blame their wives friends for encouraging the breakup. One guy I talked to told me his wife refused to press charges against him after a 911 call and told the judge that she had lied to the police in anger. But she was being pressured by the woman District Attorney to press charges against him and told that she could lose custody of her child if she didn't.  

What I tell these guys is to try and put all this behind them as soon as the legal problems are over. I tell them in no uncertain terms that the INS will not get involved in these matters. I tell them to concentrait on the divorce and healing themselves.

I have stopped getting emotional over what I have been told. Kind of detached like a lawyer gets.

This post is long enough. Too long and it won't be read.

If M&M or any of you want to criticize me please go right ahead. I welcome it. It helps clear the air. Warning some of my strongest critics on another message board have later become some of my friends. They call me and see how I am doing. I even get allot of support from Russian women.

Maxx