Another Visa Story

[Phil dAmore]

Since the last thread on visas proved so popular, here is another that is sure to spark spirited conversation!!

http://darknessatnoon.blogspot.com/2007/03/torture-by-visa.html


If you have the time, read the archives on the whole blog.

[catzenmouse]

Phil,

 Thanks for the link. I'll comment back here after I finish reading the story completely. I'm sure it can't be true though. We just found out recently right here at RWD that you don't really pay bribes so he  must be lying. Maybe I just missed the disclaimer where he stated that it was fictional in nature.

Ken

[Elen]

Since the last thread on visas proved so popular, here is another that is sure to spark spirited conversation!!

http://darknessatnoon.blogspot.com/2007/03/torture-by-visa.html


If you have the time, read the archives on the whole blog.

yea yeah You may have your hot discussions by no end here about how cruel Russian burocratic to those poor foreigners who used to lose their passport with visas, to those  who count that visas would be made for them in a blink of eye just because they have bought already their tickets, that somebody would prolong them visa for they could continue their "researchers" although they think those who must bother with their visas are not decent enough to be told about those "important researches" ( and of course for no doubts their American Univercity made all right and had nothing to do with his "wrong" data of visa's ending) and etc 

But he was right in one thing  We can only dream naively of the day when Russia becomes a full member of the EU and visas are no longer a problem.

Because "nightmare" with getting Russian visa is NOTHING in comparison with what's going on in American Embassy

Good luck dudes
 And my best wishes for you to get that experience at Moscow streets at last - you decerve that for sure  ( after all you would have then something to speak about like "specialists"  but not only dig out stories from deeps of Net space )

[Kuna]

Elen,  It must be true though... It's on the Internet!   

[Elen]

Of course it's true ( like it was true with Ruchard who "forgot" to mention that he actually was in another city and had NOT proper documents with him to prove that he was right ( because he had another idea who was supposed to have proofes if deal was about "right" documents  )

Of course it's true that you would have troubles if you lost your passport and visa ( whatever reason of such lost would be)

Of course it's true that before buying tickets you have no desire to change to anoter date you must clear things with visas

Of course it's true that prolongation of visa depends on those who made you invitation here and it's their buisiness to do that or not 

What else is there you count like a true? 


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Anyway I made conclusion for myself - no explanation of local laws for you. Let you create troubles for yourself, dear guests and let you deal with them how you wish and how you can. After all where else could you get such much adrenalin - not in your boring life at the west  for sure

[William3rd]

That blogger is a complete idiot. There should be special "fees" charged for him everywhere he goes. Even by our country's standards, he is a buffoon. . . .

[catzenmouse]

Buffoons need love too William. Just look at our very own "friend in Ukraine" story. Of course he is more interested in getting into her panties... literally! 

[William3rd]

very true- and I imagine that we all have our buffoonish moments. I just wouldnt want it to be written up in my memoires.

[Rvrwind]

Yeah there's one of those upthread that needs to learn English because she still got the whole friggin' story wrong, Sheesh!!! I could explain it one hundred times & she'd either change it suit her story or she just plain needs to enhance her English skills. Maybe you should go play on that other board where they post in Russin because you sure don't understand plain English!!!
I certainly ain't going to get into another twisted argument with you because until your English improves & you actually understand what is written, you'll never get it!! (shrugs) But you'll argue anyway just for the sake of argument which I don't know about anybody else but I grow weary of it. Reminds me of my second wife & that ain't a very pleasant memory!!!

[Elen]

Darling you lived here for rather long time So I guess you can explain me everything in Russian If you still can't then I pity you - you are doomed to fail with Russian rules and laws and meetings with militia   anytime you are without your wife.

Reminds me of my second wife & that ain't a very pleasant memory!!!

<shrug> That's a remainding that you failed two marriages as well 

[Mir]

Well to be honest the writer does come across as an American with little regards to another country's rules and believing that all can be changed to suite him by paying special fee (bribe).

Speaking of visa problems:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3860/is_200507/ai_n14877319

[Phil dAmore]

That's a remainding that you failed two marriages as well 

That was a cheap shot Elen. Тебе должно быть стыдно за зто.

[BC]

Wonder how difficult it would be if a Russian lost a passport with visa and entry card..

I'm a PhD candidate from a major U.S. university, and am conducting research in Moscow for my dissertation with the support of a certain fellowship that provides living expenses and what I thought was a loose affiliation with the university: access to libraries, facilities, and faculty if I needed them. What I did not expect (nor desire) was hands-on "supervision" at the university. After all, I have my own advisors in the U.S. to whom I ultimately must answer. And so, I was at first just irritated by the stifling interest that the university was taking in me.

Are these words of a 'guest'?

[Rvrwind]

Darling you lived here for rather long time So I guess you can explain me everything in Russian If you still can't then I pity you

Thats too funny!!
The entire world is moving towards English because that is the most common & well used language & if you wish to do buisness in the wold it is 99.5% of the time done in English. The Eglish language schools are so busy, even here in Russia that they can't get enough teachers, you are posting to an English message board, But the great Elen figures I should learn Russian.
Yep, that alone speaks volumes!!

<shrug> That's a remainding that you failed two marriages as well 

Considering you do't know the details, I would tread lightly, you might not like the can of worms you open with that course of action.
I don't come over to your little message board lording over you figuring that you should be posting English for my benifit. No I stay away & don't crap in your sandbox, maybe you should take the hint.

[Bruno]

The entire world is moving towards English because that is the most common & well used language & if you wish to do buisness in the wold it is 99.5% of the time done in English.

Maybe English is the more used language in business because the english business men are not able to speak other languages... Maybe it is time for learn Chiness language, a large world population use it and China is a big business country.

Richard, to be honest, if i was living so long time in Russia like you, with Russian wife and friend, i will certainly learn Russian... when i have move to the Flamish side of my country, i have learn the Dutch language in a few month ( not at school but at cafe  )... Richard, you say that foreign in Canada need to integrate... but yourself, living in Russia, you seem not be really integrate there...

It is not a attack, only my opinion !

[wxman]

Most western countries are now multilingual. The US speaks both English and Spanish, Canada speaks French and English, and I would not doubt with all the different nationalities of Western Europe, most countries there are also multilingual. So will it be true in Russia with time. I'm sure there are different laguages spoken in Russia, but I'm not sure their are 2 major languages spoken that are allowed by the government or used by business to the extent of the US. I would imagine the majority of government forms, documents etc; are in Russian, whereas in US many forms are both in Spanish and English.

If China waited for the west to speak Chinese, they would still be a third world country.  Instead they realized that for their economy to grow, english was the language to learn, and they extensively teach their children english to this day. Knowing that their biggest trading partner would be the US, and wanting to pass the US as the largest economy, they would have to beat us at are own game. They are doing just that. China adapted to English because the government knew it was the way to prosper. Russia to this day has not. That is why China's economy has left the Russian economy in their dust. 
 

[Elen]

Thats too funny!!
The entire world is moving towards English because that is the most common & well used language & if you wish to do buisness in the wold it is 99.5% of the time done in English. The Eglish language schools are so busy, even here in Russia that they can't get enough teachers, you are posting to an English message board, But the great Elen figures I should learn Russian.
Yep, that alone speaks volumes!!
Considering you do't know the details, I would tread lightly, you might not like the can of worms you open with that course of action.
I don't come over to your little message board lording over you figuring that you should be posting English for my benifit. No I stay away & don't crap in your sandbox, maybe you should take the hint.

Yes it's too funny Because you who I suspect can't connect even two words in Russian dared to speak someting there about my bad English And yes it's funny that you expect that it's not YOU who moved to Russian to live HERE should learn Russian but all others around you should learn English    ( we spoke about YOUR skills in Russian - a person who lives HERE- if you didn't get my bad English)
 
 And yes you don't come to "my" board because you just CAN'T do it due to your lack of knowledge in Russian ( but somehow you continue to think about yourself like someone who understands something more about life in Russia than I do ) Good luck for you with such attitude to Russian language like you have The same attitude you demonstrate to life in Russia in general BTW - со своим уставом в чужой монастырь ( Although as I' ve read in your other thread Russian language which you failed to learn living here for about 4 ( or how many?) years would not be your concern any more ( and it never was anyway)

PS BTW "my" little board has English language section for such foreigners who can't speak Russian. That speaks more about OUR skills but not about your "superiority" like persons with English like mother's language )



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Ps I didn;t get a point about "multilanguage" in  Russia There are ~140 nationalities in Russia Studing in schools are carried on 38 languages an about 75 national language are studied like mother's language ( of course in those areas where such languages are languages of native nations) Business ( documents, forms and etc)  is carried on national languages in some areas too But the major language is Russian All documents are supposed to be in Russian as well. And I don't see there could be some "second" major language. Of course institutes which have business with foreigner countries do have documents in other language as well.
As for FSU contries then Russian is second maor languae in some of them It would be "odd" to make English like second major language there as people do speak in Russian

[Rvrwind]

Like I said, You didn't get it & you still don't get it. You misconcrued the entire story & twisted it & added your own facts to support your argument. If your going to comment on someting & attack a poster at least have the facts correct & understand what it is you are attacking.
You've twisted the story so bad now that I doubt anybody can any longer understand or remembers what the real story & the truth are.
I kow enough Russian to get along & do what I need to do, I don't plan to be a songwiter or poet so I don't need to know more than that. I don't rip people apart who post stuff in Russian because I am not fluent in the language & my translation may be wrong. You however whether you totally understand English or not have to jump right in there & tear it apart proving to everybody that you didn't understand it!

[Elen]

Like I said, You didn't get it & you still don't get it. You misconcrued the entire story & twisted it & added your own facts to support your argument. If your going to comment on someting & attack a poster at least have the facts correct & understand what it is you are attacking.
You've twisted the story so bad now that I doubt anybody can any longer understand or remembers what the real story & the truth are.
I kow enough Russian to get along & do what I need to do, I don't plan to be a songwiter or poet so I don't need to know more than that. I don't rip people apart who post stuff in Russian because I am not fluent in the language & my translation may be wrong. You however whether you totally understand English or not have to jump right in there & tear it apart proving to everybody that you didn't understand it!

YOUR story I got fully, also I got it right from the very beginning -you did NOT say the whole story. What I didn't get was your point because you tried to prove your right to behave here like you think it would be right Well your story proved you didn't have abilities for that neither  in Russian language  nor in knowing local laws. The end of story.
 Good bye dear. I wish you have better life in Canada ( though something tells me there would be cryings and moanings about bad government and bad laws too Hope I would be wrong for once)

[Rvrwind]

 :noidea: I give up, you are the perfect example of the Russian Woman all men should run away from!

[Elen]

:noidea: I give up, you are the perfect example of the Russian Woman all men should run away from!

You and your attitude to all Russian ( that one you demonstrated at this board. How you beave in real life I have not idea, could only guess ) is a perfect example as well of those foreigners who just must stay home and should not move anywhere to live.
 So like I said Good bye dear , return to Canada and have a happy life there Emigration and living abroad is not for everybody and especially for those who refuse to even try to understand others' rules, life, culture and etc but only think they could measure everyting with their own scale and that others would behave like you wish.

PS as for me twisting your story then I posted ( and numbered) my points in that thread where we discussed it. If you wish to continue ( which I doubt) to say that I twisted something there better though to QOUTE me.

[Elen]

That was a cheap shot Elen. Тебе должно быть стыдно за зто.

Не должно и не стыдно. Если человек по собственной инициативе начинает сравнивать кого-то с своими плохими бывшими женами, он может рассчитывать лишь на подобный ответ.   
 

[Mir]

That was a cheap shot Elen. You must be ashamed for it.

Elen
It is not must and it is not shameful. If man with respect to the private venture begins to compare someone with his poor former wives, it only deserves a similar answer.

[Elen]

close enough to original ( though with few differences)

[Wayne B]

Maybe English is the more used language in business because the english business men are not able to speak other languages... Maybe it is time for learn Chiness language, a large world population use it and China is a big business country.

Bruno, not an attack but, if English speaking America was not the largest importer of cheaply made Chinese junk China would not be so big in buisiness