What is Love for you and Do you believe in the other half?

[Jazzyclassy]

What is Love for you? Is it a combination of  a great soul mate feeling , friendship, you know that you can talk with this person about everything and there will never be enough of talking or it is very strong sexual connection so called chemistry as how you all call it. Is it a combination of both things? I know already the answer to this question for myself; it is just interesting to know the other’s people thoughts

Is it possible to find the person with whom you will have both wonderful friendship and great sexual connection?
 
Or is that we always choose between this or that, lie to ourselves that with time the situation will improve, if we have for example one friendship or only sexual connection….

Maybe one should not marry till he understands that it is both feelings or is it stupid to sit and wait for entire life for someone who probably will never occur in your life and take the other opportunities?
And do you think that there is your other half in this world; do you believe in this term?

Thank you guys I look forward for your comments:)

This Zar is also thinking about my topic.......
 

[Wayne B]

Jazzy, I do believe in 'soul mate' and chemistry is not just about sex! It can include many things like looks, smells, touch, the way that you kiss and the attention given to each other!  I believe that you must be very good friends, that have comman interest!!!  With friendship comes respect, trust, and communication!!!  I always say that a marriage or a relationship is 'a work in progress'

[catzenmouse]

 Love is all things and it is each thing. Sometimes it is the passion, sometimes it is a look or a touch, sometimes it is a word, and sometimes it is just being next to someone. Love is powerful and it is weak. It fills you until you explode and it empties you completely. Love is  rigid and it is flexible. Love is eternal and it is gone in a heartbeat.

 Love will flow along with you (as a couple) through your life. Adjusting to your changes.

 Each person will see, think about, and feel love in a way that is only for them. When two who feel love in a similar fashion come together it will bind them in a way that will last a life time.

Ken

[wiz]

What Is Love?

One must understand whether "what is love" can be a question which can be answered? Love cannot be a question. For, if it is a question then an answer should be there. If the answer is there, where is it? This question is ancient and an answer should have been found by now! If the answer has been found, the question would have disappeared.

But the question still remains, meaning the answer has not been found. If it has not been found as yet, then what is the certainty that it will be found? Maybe the mind can never find the answer! A single answer, which will please all minds, is not possible for each mind has its own ideas of love. Hence a universal answer is an illusion.

Individual answers are there for love and for this very reason there are arguments about love for each mind will contradict the answer of another mind. This contradiction is normal for each mind lives in a different point in time. Hence "what is love" is an illusionary question, which has no answer!

How do you define love?

Some say it's mysterious, magical, complex, difficult, imaginary, thought-provoking, inspirational, intuitional, joyous, immeasurable, ecstasy, and indefinable. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, and always perseveres.

To describe love is very difficult, for the same reason that words cannot fully describe the flavor of an orange. You have to taste the fruit to know its flavor. So with love.

Love itself is a universal experience. Yet, every individual occurrence - while perhaps bound by a common thread - seems absolutely unique. Love is what love is! To everyone it expresses itself differently.

Love is waking up to find the object of your affection in the dream you were having asleep on your shoulder. Could it be that Love is a story that can never be fully expressed?

Love is a bond or connection between two people that results in trust, intimacy, and an interdependence that enhances both partners.

Love is the ability and willingness to allow those you care for to be what they choose for themselves, without any insistence that they satisfy you.

Making Love is the highest level and the most loving way we can physically express or demonstrate our Love for our love partner. Everyone knows that the sexual experience can be the single most loving, most exciting, most powerful, most exhilarating, most renewing, most energizing, most affirming, most intimate, most uniting, most stress-relieving, most creative physical experience of which humans are capable.

Love is like the wind, you never know when it will blow, from which direction, how strong will be and how long will last.

When you fall in Love you will know it…… so enjoy it while it lasts.

[Wayne B]

Love is an emotion that cannot be artificially made....it comes from our need to be not alone but, our need to touch, smell, see, and hear....love gives you a high that cannot be man-made and love can give you a low that can make you take a man's life away.....

[LEGAL]

I like when poets  speak about love. One of my favorite poets is Federico García Lorca. I could not find the one of his poems in English that I like so much and I don't know Spanish  because of it I have translated this poem from Russian to English. It is my free translashion.

I'm afraid to lose the marvel
That's so unspoken in your moist eyes.
I'm afraid that I will not be feeling
Your breath of rose that's touching my face.

I'm afraid that my lifeless branches
will cover your land of mysterious life.
I don't want to bear these roting fruits
When torment's worms will be hiding inside.

If you have taken my sacred treasure
If you're my pain that's not asking for mercy
If in your life I am worthless and nothing

Don't let the loss make me so hopeless
Let me bestrew your magical flow
With  leafage of my lonely autumn.

Olga.

[Chelchov]

This is the question that I need to take some time of deep thought before making the post...  I will post my response later as I have to do some work now.   

Love depends on how each person thinks about themselves including their philosophy of life, perception of their life, environmental and cultural factors and feelings about themselves.  I'll provide some examples from my own experiences, observations and interactions with others in my next post. 

Let me ask you guys few questions...  Why are we all here on this forum to talk about FSU women?  Why are western men making sacrifices to travel to FSU?  What's so special about FSU?  Isn't that we all are here to search for love and hope it sticks out forever?  Is love much more valuable than buying any material goods?   Isn't love for others make us to become a whole person spiritually, emotionally, physically and materially?           

[Zmejka]

I believe in love and that my other half is right beside me sleeping and in fate that brough us together. And that it just couldn't be overwise, there were no other roads for us. And i believe each person eventually finds that love, only some can still be pationatelly enough and not get married before for example
Before i found my friend i got involved into relationships resembling either more friendship or lust. I even started to get worried whether that pattern would ever change. And i also thought it's boring to spend all your life with the same man. Now i understand that i was wrong.
The base of love for me is trust and deep spiritual connection.

[Wayne B]

This is the question that I need to take some time of deep thought before making the post...  I will post my response later as I have to do some work now.   

Love depends on how each person thinks about themselves including their philosophy of life, perception of their life, environmental and cultural factors and feelings about themselves.  I'll provide some examples from my own experiences, observations and interactions with others in my next post. 

Let me ask you guys few questions...  Why are we all here on this forum to talk about FSU women?  Why are western men making sacrifices to travel to FSU?  What's so special about FSU?  Isn't that we all are here to search for love and hope it sticks out forever?  Is love much more valuable than buying any material goods?   Isn't love for others make us to become a whole person spiritually, emotionally, physically and materially?           

Love depends on nothing or nobody....love can brush across your face....and love can hit you like a ton of bricks....If you think ever in your mind that you have the ability to make love appear when you are ready.....it will be gone before you would have ever realized what had hit you.....Love is not a command....love is a desire....and love comes to those who desire.....

[Wayne B]

I believe in love and that my other half is right beside me sleeping and in fate that brough us together. And that it just couldn't be overwise, there were no other roads for us. And i believe each person eventually finds that love, only some can still be pationatelly enough and not get married before for example
Before i found my friend i got involved into relationships resembling either more friendship or lust. I even started to get worried whether that pattern would ever change. And i also thought it's boring to spend all your life with the same man. Now i understand that i was wrong.
The base of love for me is trust and deep spiritual connection.

Zmejka, is love a beautiful feeling for you? Does it make you happy?

[SANDRO43]

I could not find the one of his poems in English that I like so much and I don't know Spanish  because of it I have translated this poem from Russian to English.

For those who prefer poetry in its original version (and rhyme):

Tengo miedo a perder la maravilla
de tus ojos de estatua, y el acento
que de noche me pone en la mejilla
la solitaria rosa de tu aliento.

Tengo pena de ser en esta orilla
tronco sin ramas; y lo que más siento
es no tener la flor, pulpa o arcilla,
para el gusano de mi sufrimiento.

Si tú eres el tesoro oculto mío,
si eres mi cruz y mi dolor mojado,
si soy el perro de tu señorío,

no me dejes perder lo que he ganado
y decora las aguas de tu río
con hojas de mi otoño enajenado.

If you know Spanish, you may appreciate how much was lost/changed in the double translation (and poetry cannot really be translated). Here is my own poor version of the above, slightly closer to the original :

I'm afraid to lose the marvel
of your statuesque eyes, and the accent
that the solitary rose of your breath
poses on my cheek at night.

I suffer to be on this shore
a trunk without branches; and what I am most sorry for,
is having no flower, pulp or clay,
for the weevil of my pain.

If you are my hidden treasure,
if you are my cross and moist pain,
if I am the whelp of your domain,

Don't let me lose what I earned,
and decorate the waters of your creek,
with leaves of my drunken autumn.

[Wayne B]

This is the question that I need to take some time of deep thought before making the post...  I will post my response later as I have to do some work now.   

Love depends on how each person thinks about themselves including their philosophy of life, perception of their life, environmental and cultural factors and feelings about themselves.  I'll provide some examples from my own experiences, observations and interactions with others in my next post. 

Let me ask you guys few questions...  Why are we all here on this forum to talk about FSU women?  Why are western men making sacrifices to travel to FSU?  What's so special about FSU?  Isn't that we all are here to search for love and hope it sticks out forever?  Is love much more valuable than buying any material goods?   Isn't love for others make us to become a whole person spiritually, emotionally, physically and materially?           

Chelchov, I will try to answer you on the 'why are we here' I can only answer to you,.....that once upon a time,,,I knew all and everything......slam on my face....I found that I was an arogant a$$hole....   You ask  is love more valuable than buying any material goods?   I can only hope that you were writing so fast that you got ahead of yourself? If not, you need to ask why you are here???

[Gator]

JazzyClassy,

Love is so emotional that few people will ever be satisfied with a definition, no matter how poetic or romantic. 

You have mentioned “friendship” and “sexual connection” and these are two important aspects of true love and are akin to “mind” and “body”.  Yet, there is something else, something very important.  It is the “spiritual”.  There must be spiritual connection - committing unconditionally and creating a little world that no one else could possibly enter.  I will never try to define “spiritual”.

You asked about finding “great sexual connection and wonderful friendship”.  The sexual part is not common but not rare.  Becoming true friends with someone of the opposite sex is indeed rare, and frankly the more fulfilling of the two (I must be getting old).  Once you find both of these, the “spiritual connection” can happen.  I think it takes time for which there is no substitute.

You also asked about whether a situation can improve.  Yes, it can improve somewhat but it should start at a good level in the beginning.  In other words, bad sex never becomes great sex.  And two people who do not treat each other with trust, respect and understanding from the beginning will never become true friends.

I do not believe in a “second half” for two reasons.  First, it suggests there is only one other in the world, yet I know I could be happy with different women, not many, but for sure not all the same.  Second, a “second half” would suggest a perfect and ideal match. None of us are perfect. 

Each of us must compromise and if in love we will gladly give.  we realte and combine in a way that the total is greater than the sum of the parts (1+ 1 = 3 vs. ½ + ½ = 1).  That is why I relish differences and someone who challenges me intellectually; such would make us strong partners for succeeding in life. 

[LEGAL]

SANDRO43,

Thank you so much  
I wish I knew Spanish    When I will  know English more better than now I would like to learn Spanish. I would like to read and "hear" Lorca in original. I guess how much was lost in Russian version. Of course you are right, SANDRO43, that "poetry cannot really be translated" I notice it reading in original the poetry of Byron, Shelley, Thompson...  Every translation  looses some beauty of metaphors and own real voice of author.  I think that every translator gives to translation of poetry his own understanding of origanal words.

Olga.
 

[SANDRO43]

I would like to learn Spanish. I would like to read and "hear" Lorca in original.

Olga, if you like poetry (as you apparently do), you should not wait until you know Spanish to "hear" Lorca's poetry. I am certain you can find CDs with his poems recited by some good Spanish-speaking actor, and that will give you a feeling for his musicality (he was an Andalucian born near Granada, and Andalucìa is the land of flamenco ).

[TexasBoar]

Love is a behavior.

And a choice.

The feelings . . . IMHO are primarily "limerance": a hormonal reaction caused by ingesting foreign DNA through an exchange of saliva; i.e., kissing.  It's an evolutionary response to the need for a strong pair bond necessitated by the slow maturation cycle of human children---which is itself a tradeoff we made, at some point, for the risky gambit of larger brains.

No, I'm not a romantic, lol.

Old world matchmakers used to say that if you made a good match, love would come.  But the good match was what mattered . . . because marriage was always about progeny.

*shrug*

Poets do what poets do, and the chivalric tradition of romantic love really only dates to the 1400's.  But despite all that, I still side with what a mythology not my own has to say about the matter, in the first book of its collected tales:

"It is not good for Man to be alone."

~Boar

[SANDRO43]

Poets do what poets do, and the chivalric tradition of romantic love really only dates to the 1400's. 

Bit earlier than that, actually : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubadour

[LEGAL]

SANDRO43,

It is very good idea  

When I was studying in Academy our teacher - producer staged a small play  "Romancero gitano" (of course Russian   ). We were reciting poetry of Lorca and five studant -musician were playing guitar. Oh, SANDRO43, honestly Flamenco did not comes easily to us  

Olga.
 

[TexasBoar]

Bit earlier than that, actually : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubadour

Have I mentioned lately how much fun it is to cohabit a list with someone as literate as you, Sandro? 

My understanding, though, is that the idea of romantic love grew out of the troubador tradition, and was predated by it somewhat . . . still, either way, it's a fairly late addition to human history.

Poets, like rock stars, say a lot of things to get laid. 

~Boar

[SANDRO43]

When I was studying in Academy our teacher - producer staged a small play  "Romancero gitano" (of course Russian   ). We were reciting poetry of Lorca and five studant -musician were playing guitar. Oh, SANDRO43, honestly Flamenco did not comes easily to us

I can well imagine. But it did not come easily to the Spaniards as well (at least the guitar part), as I learned just last week attending a concert of guitarra flamenca. The performer, Juan Lorenzo (who studied in Sevilla with Paco de Lucìa), introduced all the pieces he played with a short explanation, and told us that guitar accompaniment for flamenco only made its appearance in the 1930s: before that, flamenco was only dance and song and, before that, song only ("cante hondo", i.e. "deep song").

[SANDRO43]

Poets, like rock stars, say a lot of things to get laid. 

Don't we all ? I think it's called courtship .
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P.S.: I forgot to add this little clip

[Jazzyclassy]

Thank you so much you gave your own individual remarks and thoughts about Love and if there is any other half  :

Wayne B
Catzenmouse
Wiz
Legal Olga
Chelchov
Zmejka
Sandro
Texasboar

and Gator dear  that was great post  in my topic of yours thank you so much, it helped me to sort my thoughts and settle them in some way:) I was thinking exactly the same about  the thing that there is no other half I was just scared to admit that for me it was so obvious, though I am absolutely romantic and blue dreamy girl

and Of course I know that love it is not only about Sex:P
Yeah I realise that love can be different and all how you described as I feel so too and that it is so difficult to actually describe it till the end, it is enormous feeling and there are different types of love of course and we are experiencing them all during our lives .
It is absolute trust and respect and care for the other person .

I found  nice lyrics from the song by Celine Dion it is really true and it happened that way in my life too....

Love doesn't ask why
It speaks from the heart
And never explains
Don't you know that
Love doesn't think twice
It can come all at once
Or whisper from a distance

Don't ask me if this feeling's right or wrong
It doesn't have to make much sense
It just has to be this strong
'Cause when you're in my arms I understand
We don't try to have a voice
When our hearts make the choices
There's no plan
It's in our hands

refrain

Now I can feel what you're afraid to say
If you give your soul to me
Will you give too much away
We can't let this moment pass us by
Can't question this chance
Or expect any answers
We can try
But love doesn't ask you why


Love definitely does not ask why and never asks twice:P that is for sure

To Chelchov

Dear we are here to communicate and it does not matter will you meet any russian girl or marry US girl , the main thing you will enlarge your knowledge about the other culture and feel a little bit more on the other level , feel  more respect and understanding feelings towards the other nations, feel more freedom in the way that you know , that you got experience and some knowledge about other people which can help you to learn the purpose of life and the whole World , it can help you to define what you need , whether you want russian ukraine or usa girls , or finally forgive me God asian woman  nobody knows dear Chelchov.....

What is so special about FSU women? Actually in general  nothing special I am telling you , women are women in Africa , just there are women and women
and what is so special about them it is you to decide, but again every woman wants to be special and we are not exclusion:)))

Why are western men making sacrifices to travel to FSU?
It is as simple as that cos they wont let in  the girl who is not married from poor country like russia, cos it is impossible for a  russian girl to actually travel to USA, have not you understood that by now:)))) she needs to be very very rich to travel there or to be very lucky at some point or just to be very smart to go and study there but again they refuse it too, or to be some singer or performer to travel to US.
Then again it is not sacrificing for a USA men it is very cheap and naturally normal it is a very cheap adventure for them it is never sacrifice, (if you want to go  to France or Europe than yes you will donate some real big sums of money!:), to come to Russia where everything it as twice as cheap as in Africa, god I tortured this country today ahahhah

It is only  a pleasure for some to go to Russia actually hahahaha.....

To Gator once again

I really found your comment so so helpful and so so close to my thinking
yes I forgot to mention this spiritual connection I just bind it together with friendship ....

and I agree absolutely about non existence of other half I came to this thought and this discovering not long time ago, but I am sure in this statement.
I also could be happy with a lot of guys but that does not make them my other halfs
and a person is complete on his own he does not need the cover  of being not complete cos he has not partner, cos if the person is complete he will be even more happier together with another person , if he is not complete he will be as twice as miserable with the partner ,cos his inside problems wont go away , of course his partner can compensate somethings can add some positive great feelings and can help to overcome some problems, but no partner can solve and can safe the soul of this person cos it is an individual work of each person himself

I need to think a little more about what I wanna say next ,so will post later:)

I need green tea and nice choco cos it is morning am at work I need to cheer up:)
some music would be nice too ,,,,, opa here we got music now:)

[Kuna]

I know it seems frivolous... but...

[Mir]

JC

Actually it is a lot more expensive to travel to Russia as c/w Europe or from Europe to USA

[Mir]

Try this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_theory_of_love