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[robbiew]

hi guys,im finding it real hard just even being able to find a decent website.im getting lost in my quest.if any1 has any sites or just some help.thanx

[Mir]

Just chose one free and one good paid one and get on with it.
Most recommended is Elena's

[Bruce]

Check the portion of the board under links to "certified marriage agencies."  That is a good start.  I have no problem with what Mir said ie. check out some free sites, check out Elenas models.  If I were you I would speak with Marc Dayton out in California (Lifetimepartners owner).  Speak with Jack Bragg (Firstdream owner) in Texas.  By all means read this board carefully.  Focus on trip reports.  See how guys have gone about the process and pitfalls they have fell into or avoided.  Read every post you can by BC, JB, Ken C, Jet, Leslie and the other married guys who frequently contribute. 

Know what you bring to the table and what you really want.  Think of what country you really want to visit.  Why?  The more you know the better off you are. 

Real versus virtual?  Hm, get off your ass and get to the FSU.  Reality, even poorly prepared reality beats virtual every day, every moment, every second.............

[Jazzyclassy]

Dear Robbie

I know my opinion will sound strange but , just you are so young why do not you try and look for an English girl, as your potential wife, you can have tons of internet friends, but it may never happen in reality you know with Russian girls, why you decided to search for them?

My advice to you  keep searching for an English girl, do not rush yourself into internet dating, there are so many nice people in the UK

Plus try not to be involved from the start in that cyber life and do not take it as the only opportunity of yours

Also there is a lot  of risk of being hurt via net much more than in reality
cos in reality you finally can tell everything what you do not like to your partner and show the expression on your face and over the internet it has much more emotional colouring and involves much more emotional sufferings

From the other hand if you want just to enlarge your knowledge about other people and countries, it is always fun, and you can know more about traditions and the way of thinking of other people

But to my mind your priority should not be such a great aim to find Russian girl, you are very young, just lean back and think a little bit before rushing into something very difficult and sometimes useless

[Turboguy]

Robbie,

I think you are just a little ahead of yourself but sometimes that is what we must do.  I think what you are doing, and I could be wrong is throwing your self into this and hoping to find happiness.   To me, it is a little like trying to drive from Abeline to Pella Iowa without a map.   You need to start by making a map.

My suggestion is to start with taking a piece of paper and first set your goals.  Decide what kind of woman you want to meet.  Describe her on paper.  List all the important qualities.   Then look at your finances and see what you can devote to the process.   Then look at how much time you can devote.   Then read as many trip reports and posts about how others have met women and see what techniques you are most comfortable with.   Then decide what sites or agencies or techniques best fit you. 

Choices of ways to go include,  writing to girls on the internet, going to one or a few cities and having agencies set up meetings, taking a tour.  Picking a location and running newspaper ads, going somewhere and meeting them in Discos and on the street, networking with people, doing listings and letting the girls contact you.  Meeting RW who have already immigrated, a few I missed and a mixture of the above.

Read what sites people like.  Mir suggested using one free one pay.  I was using freepersonals.ru and Elena'sModels.   What Mir suggested was what I was doing.  If you want to write gals first some sites you might look at are MerryDating, Bride.ru, a pretty woman, Cindy Agency and there are lots more but that will get you started.

[Shadow]

Robbiew,

The first thing is as Turboguy said, to step back and think of what you want from a woman. And do not forget not to exclude any possibility. There are nice girls in England, Russia, Argentina, Holland and many many other countries that could potentially be a match.
The next step is of what you can accomplish by yourself. How are your languages ? Are you prepared to learn a foreign language on behalf of your wife and het family ? Are you ready to travel ? Have you got experience in travelling ? Are you good in using the internet and all the programs tat surround it ?
Next thing is to decide on how much time and money you have to spend. International dating is not cheap, but when you are handy and expeienced you can cut some costs.
Friendfinder.com and luckylovers.com might be interesting, as they are more international oriented. If you want pure FSU directed sites try merrydating.com or freepersonals.ru
These are 'free sites', but if you want to have a higher level of service check out the marriage agencies.
Be prepared to travel, and do not pay money to strangers.

[Thor]

First of all, AVOID all agencys!!! 95% of them are TOTAL scam!!!! You will vaiste a lOT of money if you use agencys. Best way is to choose a city in FSU and go there and get to know this city. VERY VERY few meet the "one" on the first trip to FSU. Finding a girl in FSU is not easy, it is hard work.

Learn my men that had sucess, read post on this board. I have posted many post about how to find a honest and beautiful girl in Ukraine..I know this game and if you like you can PM and ask me any questions you like.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=4053.0

But follow your dream, the FSU girls are the best in the world!!!

[Wayne B]

I would add...when you are ready to go....have no expectations of sucsess and to save some time for viewing the country itself as a learning process! I agree with Thor, in pick a city and talk with several women from that city

[Rvrwind]

First of all, AVOID all agencys!!!

Me & you Thor, we are gonna have a wreck! :burnedup: :seething:
Nuff Said!!!

[Thor]

Me & you Thor, we are gonna have a wreck! :burnedup: :seething:
Nuff Said!!!

Sorry but I don't like agency's...The girls in agency's are mostly gold diggers, and especially the beautiful girls in agency's....Better ask men that had success otherwise and learn from our experience..

[Shadow]

Thor you had experience with Jack. Did you learn from him or did you figure things out all by yourself.
Agencies and angecy owners are not all bad.

[Thor]

Thor you had experience with Jack. Did you learn from him or did you figure things out all by yourself.
Agencies and angecy owners are not all bad.

Jack has no agency as I know, but arranges tours....But yes I learned a lot from Jack, and I have always said that Jack was my master before I went to Ukraine for the first time...

[Shadow]

Jack has no agency as I know, but arranges tours....But yes I learned a lot from Jack, and I have always said that Jack was my master before I went to Ukraine for the first time...

No atter ow you call it, Jack is an agency owner. First Dream is an agency. So do not judge all by what you see as a definition of the trade. I never used any kind of agency, as I have been used to arrange my own things anywhere in the world. On the other hand even a dating website can be seen as an agency. But that does not mean that I do not think agencies can provide a valuable service to others.
Every man and woman should think of how to reach their goal of finding a partner in the way they feel happy about.  And everyone in the business that is trying to earn an honest living should be able to make money, by finding the people who rather use the service than figure it out by themselves.

[Wayne B]

Thor, I did meet my beloved through an agency....Belanoff.....I took some heat about it here at RWD.....but, still I did have very good luck through them

[Thor]

Thor, I did meet my beloved through an agency....Belanoff.....I took some heat about it here at RWD.....but, still I did have very good luck through them

Hi Wayne,

Yes I know that some men has been lucky by using agencys, but fare more have not been so lucky as you!! Agencys are business, and ONLY business. In fackt it is a dirty business, but yes there are some honest agencys, but I trully belive that 95% are just scam.

Hi Shadow,

Maybe Firstdream is agency, maybe not. But it is not a agency like the agencys in FSU..But Firstdream is honest that for shure.

[Wayne B]

Thor, let us think about the word 'business' There are good and bad businesses in every type of business. an example that I can give you is...someone works very many hours/money to make a good 'movie' Say this movie is very popular around the world....and the people that put their hard work and money into this movie become happy...because they may make a profit for their hard work and money......and then let us take someone that see's the sucsess of this movie and even though they have not spent one penny or one minute on this movie....they break the law by making copies of this movie and sale this movie for half price This is a 'Pirate'  'China' for one example....'North Korea' for another......

[Thor]

Thor, let us think about the word 'business' There are good and bad businesses in every type of business. an example that I can give you is...someone works very many hours/money to make a good 'movie' Say this movie is very popular around the world....and the people that put their hard work and money into this movie become happy...because they may make a profit for their hard work and money......and then let us take someone that see's the sucsess of this movie and even though they have not spent one penny or one minute on this movie....they break the law by making copies of this movie and sale this movie for half price This is a 'Pirate'  'China' for one example....'North Korea' for another......

Ok Wayne,

But who said that agency's where honest when this business started in FSU in the early 90`s??? And most of the agency's are not hard work, but just bullshit, just scam!!! Pirate China has appeared the last 10 years or so...and the movie business was honest before the Pirate China started to flow the marked...

[Wayne B]

T hor, I am just trying to say that some people on RWD make a living as a 'Agency' owner....and they read what people on RWD post. And the good/honest 'Agency' owners learn from this Foum. The LESS HONEST agency owner will usually not participate in conversation on RWD.  I am trying to tell you that your words could hurt honest people trying to make an 'Honest' living   Thor, I consider you a friend! and I am just asking you to think about other people here

[Thor]

T hor, I am just trying to say that some people on RWD make a living as a 'Agency' owner....and they read what people on RWD post. And the good/honest 'Agency' owners learn from this Foum. The LESS HONEST agency owner will usually not participate in conversation on RWD.  I am trying to tell you that your words could hurt honest people trying to make an 'Honest' living   Thor, I consider you a friend! and I am just asking you to think about other people here

Hi Wayne,

I consider you as a friend too . I know only about Jack Bragg at this forum that have a agency, and I always has said that Jack is a honest guy Wayne. I don't want to hurt honest men at all, but you cant deny that there are so many scam agency's Wayne and this agency's and their girls scams men for 100 000`s of dollars every year...Besides this they brake honest mens dreams of finding a good girl in the FSU....It is heartbreaking and I just hate this type of scam. That is why I say that men must be carefull about the agency's....And I can never understand why some men go back to FSU time after time to look for a girl by using agency's....It is so stupid Wayne, and it is so vaiste of money. This is the last story about a agency...One guy went to Dnieper and he used Cindy agency. This is a agency that some men on this board has spoken highly about...Anyway he went to Dnieper and before his arrival he has written to 8 girls..When he came only 5 girls took time to meet him, and 3 of this girls he tougth had answer his letters did not remember him or anything he had wrote this girls...WHY?? Because the agency as usual had answer the letters on behalf of the girls, a typical scam by agency's....He used so much money on a trip that for him was just a vaiste of time and money. This makes me angry, and gives Ukraine a bad reputation.

One former agency owner in Kharkov stopped his business last year. Why?? Because there was very littel money for him because he runned a honest agency. He said that the only way to earn money was to run a scam agency...and he did not want to do that, so he just ended his business....

This is why I try to make men to consider other and better ways of meeting girls in Ukraine. If some agency owners don't like this so can I understand why, but I am only putting my finger on the bad ones, the good ones have nothing to fear...

[Thor]

I just took a look at some agency's in Kiev tonigth and guess what?? I found my "friend" Lilly who I meet in November 2005. She even admitted to me that she has a Ukrainian boyfriend and that she was listed at several agency's..I asked why she was listed at several agency's when she had a boyfriend?? Then she told me that several men came to meet her thrue this agency's and like stupid me , took her to discos, restaurants and so on. A Italian man had gave her a very expensive cell phone...

She took me to a internet cafe and showed me some of the letters she received thrue her profile at Anastasia web. She told me that she never had sent any letters to this men, but when we read the mens letters they responded like she had sent a letter to them...It was the agency who had written the letter on her behalf, she even laugh when she told me this ...

[Thor]

here is a photo of a girl I have seen since 2005 and who is listed at several agencys in Kiev. WHY is she listed at several agencys?? 1. Then she can meet more men that can take her to restaurags and so on, 2. Agencys sells profils of girls to other agencys...

[Thor]

One more girl you can find on several agency sites...

[Wayne B]

Thor, I agree with you.....especially the second photo..... I will try to post some girls from other cities in Ukraine that I believe to be sincere in their search   and I do understand were you are coming from

[timothe]

T hor, I am just trying to say that some people on RWD make a living as a 'Agency' owner....and they read what people on RWD post. And the good/honest 'Agency' owners learn from this Foum. The LESS HONEST agency owner will usually not participate in conversation on RWD.  I am trying to tell you that your words could hurt honest people trying to make an 'Honest' living   Thor, I consider you a friend! and I am just asking you to think about other people here

Every business has its challenges and its up to the agency owner(s) to make a name for themselves.  If there is cream in the marriage agency business, it will rise to the top.

Nobody here asked the agency owners to get into the industry...they don't deserve Thor's silence.  The new guy, however, deserves an honest assessment of the pursuit.

If I ran into a guy that ran a telemarketing business, I wouldn't have any pity on him/her if the telemarketing laws caused them to close shop.  Same goes for these payday loan stores popping up everywhere.  Or a collection agency.  Or a porn store. etc.

The marriage agency business is a sleazy business.  The idea of paying $7 for an email address to one other human being is beyond my comprehension.  It's one thing to setup an interactive dating site with a reasonable monthly fee.  But many of these agencies screen letters and pull out contact data.  The various transgressions of marriage agencies are too many to count IMO and those entrepreneurs who are really above board can find another business where they can be successful without the sleaze. 

I've never used an agency, tour guide, or a professional translator.  I was able to use the internet to arrange everything I needed to arrange, including meetings with various women, accomodations, transportation, etc.  Agencies are unnecessary for those with just a little sense of adventure and large desire to throw away as little money as possible.  (God knows my experiences have been expensive enough without the "extra" services)

[LEGAL]

There are other agencies that use a "marriage agencies" as a cover for their bussines - dating agencies that organize a meetings for sex tourists   with girls who are not against having good time, presents and money in Russia and in other contries. And of course such agencies do damage to reputation of honest  marriage agencies.

Olga.