Possible scam... your opinions?

[Totoro]

Hello everyone,
after a week or so from being registered at Elena's Models I stumbled on my first problem. So far I've been writing wth a few women, they all look and sound very nice and honest.
Today I got a reply from a VERY attractive woman I contacted a few days ago. Of course I was very happy and we started an email exchange, but later I run a web search and found her name mentioned on a anti-scam website.
I'm not going to reveal her identity here, of course... a single mention doesn't mean she actually IS a scammer. But I'm worried... I think I will continue writing to her until she asks for money, but I'm afraid I'll be biased against her because of that post.
In your experience, is it likely that an honest girl gets a bad reputation without being at fault?

[catzenmouse]

Totoro,

 Some of the Scam sites are more of a scam than those they list. Don't judge too fast but keep your eyes open as well. Good luck!

Ken

[El Rock]

Mention it to her .
She how   she responds 

[Totoro]

Thanks for the advice, I'll certainly keep my eyes WIDE open.
As for mentioning it to her, I think I'll wait a bit. Not the best way to get acquainted, in my view ("Hello, I like you... are you perhaps interested in my money only?" ^_^)

[Bruno]

but later I run a web search and found her name mentioned on a anti-scam website.

Just find her name ! And what ?

So much scammer are identity thief... so much women are listed by men to who they have refuse to marry because they was real losers... so much women who are listed because they are in a concurrent agency from these who sponsor the anti-scam site...

Really, the only one good anti-scam weapons is use your brain...

[Totoro]

Well, she was identified by her agency ID number, so the poster was certainly referring to that same girl.
I agree as to what other reasons that man may have had, that's why I'm doubtful. Guess I can only wait and see what happens, and NEVER EVER send out money ^_^
I should also mention that I can't believe such a woman could be interested in me... 10 years younger, extremely beautiful (according to my personal taste, at least) and several cm taller than me, just as I like them.

[Admin]

Hello everyone,
after a week or so from being registered at Elena's Models I stumbled on my first problem. So far I've been writing wth a few women, they all look and sound very nice and honest.
Today I got a reply from a VERY attractive woman I contacted a few days ago. Of course I was very happy and we started an email exchange, but later I run a web search and found her name mentioned on a anti-scam website.
I'm not going to reveal her identity here, of course... a single mention doesn't mean she actually IS a scammer. But I'm worried... I think I will continue writing to her until she asks for money, but I'm afraid I'll be biased against her because of that post.
In your experience, is it likely that an honest girl gets a bad reputation without being at fault?

Claudio,

If you have not sent money, you have not been scammed. Simple as that. If she asks for money, then she may be a potential scammer - but there is no scam unless, and until, you send money and she runs off with it.

As others have said - just be vigilant, but not paranoid - and ENJOY yourself and the process. It is quite an adventure!

- Dan

[SANDRO43]

Claudio, also have a look at the Scam Card in the Scam Avoidance menu at left. There the questions alone may give you some further food for thought. 

[Jet]

I agree with Bruno. There are so many jerks out there that try this stuff as a revenge tactic that even if she was exactly identified (by member # st Elena's) it may not have been for anything she actually did wrong. As Sandro suggested, check out the scam card and the scam table, and just keep your eyes open for stuff that your gut tells you is "weird".

[Wayne B]

Claudio, also have a look at the Scam Card in the Scam Avoidance menu at left. There the questions alone may give you some further food for thought. 

Claudio, if you find it hard to resist the 'Beautiful Woman' and you have a desire to reach for your wallet   Instead, send your money to Wayne's gonna be poor for a long time 'FUND' I can give you my account number

[Kuna]

Claudio,

There's good advice above... don't be too paranoid and enjoy the process.

I'll add one thing though and it's more important for you that potential scammers at this stage.  In a couple of your posts you've said things that would suggest you might have low self esteem...  You've mentioned you're weight... here you mention that she is 10 years younger than you... and extremely beautiful in your eyes.

Mate...  I've gotta say you need to have your self esteem issues sorted out before you get too heavily involved in this pursuit.

A ten year age gap is more than reasonable...  Forget the age thing unless you start finding yourself fantasising over an age gap of more than 15 years or start fancying ladies under 25 years of age.  Age might then be a problem but ten years is literally NOT an issue!

Of course every woman wants a fit and healthy man but a bit of extra weight is not necessarily a show stopper - unless you're grossly obese or you have health problems because of your weight.  I'm a "big unit" yet I've found a wonderful girl...  you can do it too.

What FSU women want is a confident and competent man.  They won't be attracted to someone with self esteem issues and women can smell low self esteem.

Don't be paranoid...  make serious plans... work hard to identify the serious women... have some fun... and keep asking good questions in RWD.

Best of luck,

Kuna

[CaptB]

There are even a few guys that went so far as to list several women they were in contact with .......on a scam site  ......... to fend off other men from contacting "their" women........because they are affraid of "competion"........                      Pretty low IMHO.


Capt B

[jb]

Totoro,

Just a thought,,, as you encounter different FSU woman you are going to discover that many of them have already decided to which country they want to immigrate.  Some may like Germany, some prefer France, (most Russian women consider Paris to be the cultural center of the universe), some will view the the UK as their prime destination, some (gasp) may even prefer to come to America.  I would imagine that southern Italy with it's mild climate would be a hot item, especially among women from far northern locations who have become disenchanted with very cold and extended winters. 

I'm not saying you can't change a girl's mind with a little effort, but you should be aware that these prejudices exist.  If you write to a girl who is only luke warm to the idea of living in Italy, you should move on to one who is more enthused about the notion.  I think you are going to find lots of women will prefer your country over the USA or Australia simply because of the nearby proximity to the FSU and the ease with which she can travel home to visit family and friends.  That, plus I understand the immigration laws are much easier to deal with than we have to go through.

I think also that you are going to have to get on a plane very soon and go see for yourself what you are dealing with, write to these women a few weeks to get a feel for their personality, discard those you have with nothing in common, concentrate on those you feel best about, and get you plans to travel organized.   The sooner you are able to mention to a woman that you plan to come for a visit, the more serious she will be about you.

I wish you good luck and good hunting.

[I/O]

I think you are going to find lots of women will prefer your country over the USA or Australia simply because of the nearby proximity to the FSU and the ease with which she can travel home to visit family and friends.  That, plus I understand the immigration laws are much easier to deal with than we have to go through.

I think also that you are going to have to get on a plane very soon and go see for yourself what you are dealing with, write to these women a few weeks to get a feel for their personality, discard those you have with nothing in common, concentrate on those you feel best about, and get you plans to travel organized.   The sooner you are able to mention to a woman that you plan to come for a visit, the more serious she will be about you.

Totoro: Firstly welcome.  I'd simply like to expand on JB's remark a touch as this is one of my favourite subjects of debate with those who condemn all Russian women as being USA/Aus visa seekers without knowing the first thing about the subject.

As my fiance' has figured out over time, proximity to home is in fact more about perception than reality, in so far as arranging to travel home or whatever actually has little to do with extended flying times to USA or Aus, because the majority of time is taken in arranging, packing and getting to the airport etc before actually flying and this time is exactly the same wherever one is travelling to or from, BUT and it is a very BIG BUT, there IS MOST DEFINITELY the perception and preference among many Russian women who are considering a foreign husband that Europe is closer and therefore more accessable to home.

I suspect the European men who have their heads screwed on straight have a big advantage in this pursuit for several reasons and geography is not least among them.  JB is spot on the money again in so far as Southern Italy has become rather popular among Russian women. 

Regardless of how you approach this pursuit, my two cents worth is do just that soon.  Certainly glean all you can from this board as there is good sound information here, but don't get too lost in the abstract matters.  I think it is fair to say that it is unlikely the first woman you get serious about meeting will be THE one.  Yes possible, but not so likely, thus I urge you not to get too hung up on how, when or where she is listed.  Develop a short, smart plan to try to meet, set yourself up with some touristy things you would like to do, organise a back up plan to maybe meet a few other girls casually if things don't work with the first and GET ON A PLANE soon.

Many of the best of these women are sick and tired of keyboard romeos who never come near Russia.  Hit her with the facts that you will be in Russia (or wherever) on such and such a date and you'll pretty soon sift the "Wheat from the Chaff".  If she is a decent lady, she'll be more than glad and if she is not decent, usually she'll disappear pretty fast also.  Either way, you win. 

Keep an open mind and DON'T be hung up on finding "Mrs Totoro" immediately.  Get involved in Russia or wherever in the FSU you choose to visit, keep your eyes open and learn.  You WILL very much enjoy the differences and over time, hopefully you just might find that special lady.

All the best.

I/O 

PS added later: 

I should also mention that I can't believe such a woman could be interested in me... 10 years younger, extremely beautiful (according to my personal taste, at least) and several cm taller than me, just as I like them.

  No reason she shouldn't be interested.  Don't sell yourself short.

[FunIndieBloke]

Hello everyone,
after a week or so from being registered at Elena's Models I stumbled on my first problem. So far I've been writing wth a few women, they all look and sound very nice and honest.
Today I got a reply from a VERY attractive woman I contacted a few days ago. Of course I was very happy and we started an email exchange, but later I run a web search and found her name mentioned on a anti-scam website.
I'm not going to reveal her identity here, of course... a single mention doesn't mean she actually IS a scammer. But I'm worried... I think I will continue writing to her until she asks for money, but I'm afraid I'll be biased against her because of that post.
In your experience, is it likely that an honest girl gets a bad reputation without being at fault?

Hi Totoro!

Be careful, they may sound fine in their emails, but wait till you get over there and she's booked you into an apartment she's getting a kickback from, and hired a private car that costs the same as one in London only its in southern Ukraine, and THEN she asks you for money!  This happened to me, so be careful.  Always make your own travel arrangements so you are always in control of where you can go, and always meet other girls so the trip isn't a total waste.

GOod luck!

[Gator]

As El Rock said, ask her.

[DKMM]

Hmm you did not mention where she is from.  I would think a VERY attractive woman is on a paper chase so you best be paid if you are going to mess with her.  Sorry, I call em as I see em.

[smartcat]

As El Rock said, ask her.

The answer will not be the same, Gator, whether she is a scam or posted by somebody's unfair game. The answer will be "that man is bad and liar". Maybe expressed more softly or more emotionally. It can be true or not.

The most hard to define if two used to date and then parted in not peaceful way, and men spent some money during the couple's good time. He can be pissed off and declare her using him. And only the girl is who knows what was going in her head. Maybe it was love. Maybe calculation or light fun.

Claudio, did that site had just one man's report about her or several? Do you know the details and how it does sound to you? Get a man's version, get a woman's version later. Compare.

I agree with Bruno - listen to your heart and mind together, then all will be fine.