Again about Jim

[Bruno]

Yes, again a topic about Jim...

These time, i simply inform people that i am at war with him...

Not because he attack Dan, not because he attack RWD and other site related to foreign relation owner by Dan...

But because he attack Dan directly to his main job... take a look at http://www.jimslists.com/agencies/planetlove.html ... Why are XXX and YYY, two site related to Dan professional job listed... Jim try to destroy the professional side of Dan, who can lead to reduce customer and income... i find this a very low level...

So, now, my main goal will be to find and track any information about him and make it public... if i find his home address, publish it and send it to any agency who are listed in his black list ( i don't care anymore if agency are bad ).

Who make low attack to a friend will have to deal with me... i am not powerfull but time is on my side... soon of later, he will pay the price... any people who have "certain" information about Jim can post these here or can send them via PM to me if they wish keep the anonima... if they don't trust the PM system, they can e-mail me to bruno.thoumsin@love-from-russia.be ... A maximum of e-mail header are welcome !

Let's begin the shooting...

[55North]

Your link is dead.....

[Bruno]

Your link is dead.....

Yep, Jim site are changing very fast... not more special page for the Dan page...

On http://www.jimslists.com/bitch.html , he wrote simply :

2. Dan - he spreads lies about me, uses his site to do it and gets lawyers to fight his battles instead of doing it himself.

No more URL... seem that Jim is afraid of lawyers and justice... if he was so honest in his writing, what is the problem with justice ?

On http://agencyscams.com/Forums.html , he wrote :

AVOID THESE SITES LIKE THE PLAGUE!!!!

Russian Women Discussion (russianwomendiscussion.com)
Good Wife (goodwife.com)
Planet Love (planet-love.com)
Forget them. Avoid them. Don't trust them. They are the same company. Same guy running them.

Here, no more false attack... it seem that the only problem is that one guy ( Dan ) is running more that one forum... Is it something wrong? ... Specialy when i see that Jim himself is running more that one site... agencyscams.com and jimslists.com... Maybe he need to post :

AVOID THESE SITES LIKE THE PLAGUE!!!!

agencyscams.com
jimslists.com
Forget them. Avoid them. Don't trust them. They are the same company. Same guy running them.

 

[Kuna]

In the current credibility thread there has been a fair bit of talk about "experience". 

Jim proves experience doesn't equate to credibility!

[William3rd]

There is some reference on the P-L board today about Jim changing his pages as well and crying about Dan and his lawyers. Maybe Igor and his legbreakers would be a more immediate concern than rumors about Dan-but then he doesnt post in the FSU, does he?

[Bruno]

Seem that all problem are resolved...

http://jimslistsucks.com/ ... is stopped :

This site was created to address a dispute. At this time, the dispute has been resolved.

To meet the finest women from Russia, Ukraine, the Former Soviet Union, from the industries most efficient group or individual tour provider, visit FirstDream.com

For trustworthy and reliable information about the pursuit of women from the Former Soviet Union, visit RussianWomenDiscussion.com

On http://www.agencyscams.com/ and http://jimslists.com/ , no more reference to any site of Dan or reference to Jack and his agency... it is like nothing have never exist or happend... both side have a new "virginity"...

[JaanK]

Bruno bla, bla, blla is at war with Honest Jim, LOL, LOL, LOL. Bruno bla bla bla even wants Jim's home adress.
His home adress and all were published years ago here, but than Bruno bla bla bla did threaten to harm the messanger, remember Bruno bla, bla, bla.
You Belgium gangster did threaten the one who did dare to discuss about Honest Jim. Who did give you that order. Kevin Hayes the whore buying his owm crediblity?

No Bruno years ago you did stop people who did dare to publish about Honest Jim, how you did it, by theatening them, you are a gangester Bruno, no more no less

[Kuna]

Bruno bla, bla, blla is at war with Honest Jim, LOL, LOL, LOL. Bruno bla bla bla even wants Jim's home adress.
His home adress and all were published years ago here, but than Bruno bla bla bla did threaten to harm the messanger, remember Bruno bla, bla, bla.
You Belgium gangster did threaten the one who did dare to discuss about Honest Jim. Who did give you that order. Kevin Hayes the whore buying his owm crediblity?

No Bruno years ago you did stop people who did dare to publish about Honest Jim, how you did it, by theatening them, you are a gangester Bruno, no more no less

errrr... G'day Jim...

Did you see the date on this post?

Did you know Bruno doesn't post here anymore?

How's business over in scam busting world?

[JaanK]

Hi Shadow,
I have been here before publishing about Honest Jim.
I am the one who did find his real name, his job in Russia his telephone number his adress and publish it here.
Why? I had found scammer Anna Bogdan as president and bride  in her own agency. So you could write to profile future bride Anna Bogdan for 50 $ a month and the letters were answered by president Anna Bogdan.
I did tell to Jim McDuck Hahaha in Somorro. He said you must inform the overall ring of agencies, that is not ok. Later I did find out that he himself had taken the Lugansk scamagency from Anna bogdan in his GoldList. when I did ask him about it, he told: You are bla, bla, dirty idiot, motron etc etc.

I did give him as reward to find his real name, his adress, his telephone and job and did publish it here. At once I was attacked by Kevin Hayes who has corresponded with Anna Bogdan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! when he was still single.
Some days before their meeting she cancelled the meeting. Despite knowing that Bogdan was a scammer and Jim was a hoax by recommending that scammer Bogdan in his GoldList , Kevin Hayes did and does defend Jim McDuck. Why? For money.
Kevin Hayes does get power over agency-owners by publishing and donations.
He is a whore

[Sculpto]

Jim sucks.  He has AFA on gold list.. that is more then enough for me to be done with him.  He has an agenda but the man is a fool and his site doesn't really help.

[Ravens9273]

Who here honestly cares??????
This was an old thread revived to once again live out petty drama. No one on this forum cares...
We all know who Jim is and once again no one here cares.
None of you are part of the solution but the problem.
We do not need anyone else here to tell us who is good or bad. We are all grown ups and have eyes to see for ourselves. We also do not care about your business end and childish behavior to bash each other.
You are the problem to the FSU Women industry.

I think all these people should just be blocked plain and simple from even posting on these forums. They love nothing but drama and try every way of creating it. I think they need to find something else more constructive to do with their lives then worry about what others are doing.

Now to finish my little vent.

NOBODY HERE CARES!!!! Got it??

[JR]

Who here honestly cares??????
This was an old thread revived to once again live out petty drama. No one on this forum cares...
We all know who Jim is and once again no one here cares.
None of you are part of the solution but the problem.
We do not need anyone else here to tell us who is good or bad. We are all grown ups and have eyes to see for ourselves. We also do not care about your business end and childish behavior to bash each other.
You are the problem to the FSU Women industry.

I think all these people should just be blocked plain and simple from even posting on these forums. They love nothing but drama and try every way of creating it. I think they need to find something else more constructive to do with their lives then worry about what others are doing.

Now to finish my little vent.

NOBODY HERE CARES!!!! Got it??

Soooo......what'er ya tryn to say?

[giants11]

Hey you!

Jim a good guy. Leave him alone.

Find someone your own size to pick on like me.

Terminator Lawyer

[Kevin]

It is sad that people can just make up comments and post them on these sites. 
The real Kevin Hayes

[Boethius]

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[groovlstk]

The beauty of the internet.  I don't know who Jim is, and the only thing that drew me to this thread was your post.  But, since you are here, I will mention something.  Years ago, I "met" online, through a site called russia.com, a man who used your services, Kevin.  In fact, he married a girl from your site.  The guy is definitely mentally ill.  I was not the only person to notice this, and other posters, including one who met him, told me he is on disability due to his mental illness.

So, what do you do to screen for this?  Do you believe you, as the person making introductions, that you have any responsibility (I don't mean legally, just morally)? 

Boethius, who are you advocating for? The mentally ill man or the girl who married him? (Not that I have a dog in this fight, just conflicted over who gets the short end of the stick in a situation like this.)

[Boethius]

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[Sculpto]

Boethius..

One of the issues I ran into when I was using agency sites and had complaints was customer service would always justify some of the girls bad behavior by citing examples of all the messed up men they had to deal with.  That is a big part of the problem with the marriage industry, unqualified people to be matchmakers make a living sucking the blood money out of genlteman losers guys who have bought into the fantasy they are peddling.

[Faux Pas]

She gets the short end of the stick, I think.  With language differences, it would take some time for someone to realize the guy is not all "quite there".  Plus culturally, if a girl is from a village (as opposed to a city) in Ukraine, she will often stay in really untenable situations.  It is just part of the culture.

PS - I'm not really advocating for anyone.  But I wonder, sometimes, if people who run reputable agencies think about these things.  It is, in some ways, a big responsibility and I'd assume, if something bad happened to someone you had "put together", it would weigh on your conscience, and I wondered what an agency owner's perspective would be.

Boethius doesn't the woman bear as much responsibility as the matchmaker or the man by marrying someone whom she doesn't know?. Speaking generally, there are probably more unstable men in these meetings than woman. But, there are unstable woman just the same. In my mind agencies provide a service of matchmaking or introduction. I've never seen one that offered psycho-analogy too. Thats a bit of a stretch for an agency don't you think? 

[Kevin]

If there was a way to screen client prior to coming to Ukraine could you please post it.  Who would pay for it? How could I take responsibility for it.  Am I qualified to make such judgements?   Look at the high number of men who avoid agencies that enforce the IMBRA laws? I have blacklisted both men and ladies based their actions. But what you are asking me to do is make a decision based on a future action or state of mind.  This is something that No person can do.  

The best I can do is react to a situation once it occurs.   It is my job to introduce a man to a lady.  I am not a marriage counselor, matchmaker or witch doctor. I'm Just a simple men with a honest agencies that get the highest number of successful marriage each year.

The idiot who post the attacks on me personally and the work I do with the children shelter is someone who needs not to be seeking a wife.

Too much time and effort is being focus on these more honest sites while the real scam sites are making $$$ on their scams.  Who really cares if one blacklist sites has more photo or sites are listed as black/white/gold. Does it really matter? A bad site is so easily unidentified if you just take the time and read the sites.  It is the "MEN" responsible to use more then one site to verify a legit or dishonest agency. Use every sites as a references library only, Use these forums as a reference source. Then talk to the agency owners. Local clients who have used their agencies and avoid reading comments from "ghost writers".  

[ECOCKS]

I would be curious about this as well since it is a subject that has come up a few times over the last few years.

I know that there was an incident in Baltimore a few years ago where an FSUW was beaten severely (maybe she was killed, but I don't remember) and the owner of the agency was questioned regarding how much she knew about the husband. It may have even been one of the cases which pushed the passage of IMBRA, the criminal convictions statement and VAWA provisons regarding non-citizen wives.

There is an agency out there which claims to do interviews (via Skype) with the men and also charges a premium rate. My curiousity was high concerning what sort of background check they performed as well.

The thread on agency improvements mentioned some of the things that would be handy with regard to qualifying both sides of the relationship and is worthy of consideration.

[Admin]

If there was a way to screen client prior to coming to Ukraine could you please post it.  Who would pay for it? How could I take responsibility for it.  Am I qualified to make such judgements?   Look at the high number of men who avoid agencies that enforce the IMBRA laws? I have blacklisted both men and ladies based their actions. But what you are asking me to do is make a decision based on a future action or state of mind.  This is something that No person can do.  

The best I can do is react to a situation once it occurs.   It is my job to introduce a man to a lady.  I am not a marriage counselor, matchmaker or witch doctor. I'm Just a simple men with a honest agencies that get the highest number of successful marriage each year.

The idiot who post the attacks on me personally and the work I do with the children shelter is someone who needs not to be seeking a wife.

Too much time and effort is being focus on these more honest sites while the real scam sites are making $$$ on their scams.  Who really cares if one blacklist sites has more photo or sites are listed as black/white/gold. Does it really matter? A bad site is so easily unidentified if you just take the time and read the sites.  It is the "MEN" responsible to use more then one site to verify a legit or dishonest agency. Use every sites as a references library only, Use these forums as a reference source. Then talk to the agency owners. Local clients who have used their agencies and avoid reading comments from "ghost writers".  

>>The idiot who post the attacks on me personally and the work I do with the children shelter is someone who needs not to be seeking a wife.<<

From what I can tell, the member you reference, JaanK, is legitimate. I've looked at the email and the IP and both are consistent with information provided at time of registration.

Interesting that you mention the work you do at a children shelter. I recently saw an article referencing your agency and the work you do at orphanages. I was surprised, and a bit aggravated, that they were putting forward a concern that you might be placing the orphans at risk through potential exposure to pedophiles. By comparison, the comments here are incredibly mild.

Just FYI.

- Dan

[Sculpto]

If there was a way to screen client prior to coming to Ukraine could you please post it.  Who would pay for it? How could I take responsibility for it.  Am I qualified to make such judgements?   Look at the high number of men who avoid agencies that enforce the IMBRA laws? I have blacklisted both men and ladies based their actions. But what you are asking me to do is make a decision based on a future action or state of mind.  This is something that No person can do.  

Kevin, you are right, you can't predict the future actions of someone.  But, you are a smart guy, you can read people, if you have a man who doesn't feel right you can choose not to take his money. 

Doing a background check IS required by IMBRA, and as I recall your agency requires IMBRA papers to be on file prior to men making contact, so, since youa re already doing the sex offender check why not charge $25-50 more bucks and do a full background check.. it would just be a couple more clicks.  And, it would scare away the real crackpots so YOU wouldn't have to deal with them.

The best I can do is react to a situation once it occurs.   It is my job to introduce a man to a lady.  I am not a marriage counselor, matchmaker or witch doctor. I'm Just a simple men with a honest agencies that get the highest number of successful marriage each year.

Does the word "matchmaker" appear anywhere on your site?  If it does, you are creating the "image" to the casual reader and prospective member that you ARE in fact a matchmaking service.  This might explain some of the negative issues you have had in the past with men who thought they should have gotten more than they did. 

Too much time and effort is being focus on these more honest sites while the real scam sites are making $$$ on their scams.  Who really cares if one blacklist sites has more photo or sites are listed as black/white/gold. Does it really matter? A bad site is so easily unidentified if you just take the time and read the sites.  It is the "MEN" responsible to use more then one site to verify a legit or dishonest agency. Use every sites as a references library only, Use these forums as a reference source. Then talk to the agency owners. Local clients who have used their agencies and avoid reading comments from "ghost writers".  

Actually Kevin, it is not always so easy to identify a scam site.  Every one of those big flashy scam sites have pages full of testimonials and they make darn sure that they marry off a hottie now and then just to keep things looking legit.  After all, it is the HOPE they are selling, not the girls introductions.  Some of the customer service people at some of the bigger sites are REALLY well trained and smart and they know how to manipulate and convince.  Besides, even the best and most honest agencies do sometimes resort to sending out bait mails don't they Kevin? 

[groovlstk]

How is Kevin supposed to diagnose one of his clients as mentally ill when the man's own fiancee was unable to tell there was something wrong with him? 

[Boethius]

I never suggested he should.  I was just interested in whether he felt any moral obligation.  Obviously not.  Caveat emptor.