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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2007, 11:12:55 PM »
Questions and non-answers:
Would you kindly explain these other reasons?
 
Sofia;

These are classic non-answers to fairly straight forward questions.

I ask you to consider the following:
   
1.) Should anyone not expect dedication and faithfullness from their mate?   

2.) Is trust not built over time by each person demonstrating steadfastness and reliability in their relationship? 

3.) Did you, or did you not, continue to coorespond with other men while living in Yannis' house in Surrey?   

4/) Do you really expect Yannis to believe you are ready to settle down and forsake the possible *Bigger Better Deal* if one of your other internet respondants became available? 

I see a huge trust issue here.

I think perhaps it was a mistake on your part to join this board,.  People here will hold your feet very close to the fire when you dodge questions like this.  I don't wish bad things for you, but for my part I'd never marry a woman who has revealed a second face, such as you have with Yannis.   Even if wiz forgives you, there would always be this little nagging doubt in his mind about what you may be doing behind his back.

JB

The situation has been resolved now, as you saw in later posts. Love did not win against the *Bigger  Better Deal*!

You will never get any straight replies to your impertinent questions, it is not part of the make up of her persona and you must have read the excuses and counter accusations. There was not ever any feelings, willingness or dedication to create trust, steadfastness and reliability in our relationship, because of her plan, the possibility and her intentions for the *Bigger  Better Deal*!

Actions speak louder than words and now the above facts were proven, despite the public declarations of undying love. I was only a stop gap situation to be used and learned that at my cost.

I must apologize to the board for allowing myself to stoop down to her level, it was a mistake and I expect you understand the reasons why.

ScottinCrimea

I was not accusing you of anything, just reminding you of your advice, which I took happily, despite the result and I was not looking to win any PR price.

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2007, 05:08:29 AM »
Give me pls a prompt where I can find detailed discuss (not dilemma because I read these posts).
How about http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=4237.0 ;)?
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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #52 on: April 06, 2007, 06:31:39 AM »
How about http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=4237.0 ;)?

Thank you, SANDRO43

I found this discuss very interesting. I am going to post something there.

May I ask you what is it  ;) ?
 
 

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2007, 07:23:24 AM »
Wiz, okay, you've had the last word on the situation.  Can you just let it go now and move on please?  I miss hearing your views on other topics.

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #54 on: April 06, 2007, 07:34:45 AM »
Wiz, okay, you've had the last word on the situation.  Can you just let it go now and move on please?  I miss hearing your views on other topics.

Scottin

I post selectively, like everybody else and obviously you missed my posts. Of course I am not very active as you are and I will try to avoid conflict as I did for the past 2 years that I am a member.

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #55 on: April 06, 2007, 08:41:25 AM »
May I ask you what is it  ;) ?
Sofia, that is a "thread" (topic) where a couple of other RW (Elen & JazzyClassy) have made some debated contributions, therefore I thought you might want to add your own opinions ;).

If you click on the Forum button in the menu at left or at top, you'll see that RWD is subdivided into a number of general topics (in the case above, Odd and Ends), and, further, into more specific discussions.  You can see the most recent posts by clicking "Show unread posts since last visit".
« Last Edit: April 06, 2007, 08:43:08 AM by SANDRO43 »
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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #56 on: April 06, 2007, 03:04:38 PM »
Sofia, 

1. I too am interested in why you would write to other men if you say you loved wiz.
2. Do you think this is something Western Men should expect from all FSU Women?
3. At what poin tin a relationship do you think partners should stop looking for new partners?

Welcome to RWD by the way...

Kuna

Sofia,

I'm sorry, I realise my initial questions were asked in a clumbsy way so I'll re-write to see if we can open this topic. 

I'm genuinely interested in your perspective on situations like this so we (Western Men) can understand what reasonable expectations we should have of our wonderful Russian/Ukrainian women.

1. Is it reasonable to write to other men if a FSUW says she loves her man?
2. Is this something Western Men should expect from all FSU Women?
3. At what point in a relationship do you think partners should stop looking for new partners (or communicating with old partners)?

I will say that I think a man is asking for trouble in some situations when he maintains contact with former girlfriends because women can be funny creatures.  Sometimes the new gf will get jealous... sometimes the old gf will get competitive.

When it comes to platonic friendships I think it depends on the couple.  I know my ex-wife demanded I discontinue contact with all female friends...  I lost some reall good friends through those years. I wouldn't do that again...

So... 

1. Is it reasonable to write to other men if a FSUW says she loves her man?
2. Is this something Western Men should expect from all FSU Women?
3. At what point in a relationship do you think partners should stop looking for new partners (or communicating with old partners)?


Thanks,

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #57 on: April 07, 2007, 12:38:52 AM »
Sofia,

I'm sorry, I realise my initial questions were asked in a clumbsy way so I'll re-write to see if we can open this topic. 

I'm genuinely interested in your perspective on situations like this so we (Western Men) can understand what reasonable expectations we should have of our wonderful Russian/Ukrainian women.

1. Is it reasonable to write to other men if a FSUW says she loves her man?
2. Is this something Western Men should expect from all FSU Women?
3. At what point in a relationship do you think partners should stop looking for new partners (or communicating with old partners)?

I will say that I think a man is asking for trouble in some situations when he maintains contact with former girlfriends because women can be funny creatures.  Sometimes the new gf will get jealous... sometimes the old gf will get competitive.

When it comes to platonic friendships I think it depends on the couple.  I know my ex-wife demanded I discontinue contact with all female friends...  I lost some reall good friends through those years. I wouldn't do that again...

So... 

1. Is it reasonable to write to other men if a FSUW says she loves her man?
2. Is this something Western Men should expect from all FSU Women?
3. At what point in a relationship do you think partners should stop looking for new partners (or communicating with old partners)?


Thanks,

Kuna


Kuna

I see you really changed your tone of voice. I am glad to have a chance to communicate politely without any problems.

I can answer only through my personality, my life experience, my wish in life, my character. You can see in the board how different characters different Russian/Ukrainian women can have. I don’t know how you can make common conclusion about us. But I see you want. Try…

1.Is it reasonable to write to other men if a FSUW says she loves her man?

My answer was NO.

I want to begin from afar.

In Russia I have definite standard of family life.

When woman and a man agree to create relationship I know my man can not communicate (write) with other women. It will be the finish love story immediately. Because he knows I look him like at potential husband. He knows he must show his vision of family life. Of course I must show too. And I can say more two families (I mean parents) observe us too. I have many people behind my back (parents, relatives, and friends). I can not ignore their expectations.

In my case I behaved like exactly what I was writing above. When I saw different way from Wiz I was losted…because I didn’t understand. 

Now after reading some posts here I understand western people can communicate with others easy and it is not wrong with that at all.

Now I can say YES and NO.

It means I can not bring my rules to the west. If I want to live in the West I must live with western rules. Of course I need some period to change my habits because sometimes I can behave automatically like Russian.

I can communicate (to write) with other men (like a man can communicate with other women) because as I can see it is western habit.

When I see my man communicate with other women why I can not do same? It is easy to understand I am like a little child try to find common principles how to behave in new situation. Yes, maybe these women were friends but it was his opinion, not mine, not common. If he demonstrate his wish to make decision who is it for him (not for us) I think I can make my decision for myself. I can decide who these men for me-friends or not. All these men were only friends for me.

I said before a good relationship depends on personalities. This moment is very thin .I hope you agree with me.

It is similar situation with western man. When he is in Russia he must behave like Russian (I think so). When man is with Russian woman in Russia  he can not flirt (to write) with many women around because another Russian people, my friends, my parents, relatives can think…sorry, but this man doesn’t respect you and us. It happened with Wiz when he was in Russia. The most of my lady friends say me…listen, Sofia he doesn’t respect you at all. How can I ignore this opinion?

I can not flirt and communicate with other men too (when we have a relationship), I can not invite one man to my house today and tomorrow another man. Nobody will understand that in Russia. If woman invite western man to her house it is because she makes big decision and I suggest men to think carefully with visit woman in Russia.

Do you want I will answer at your another questions?

So. I want to stop now and I wait retorts. :)

Sofia
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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2007, 04:12:41 AM »

I hope everybody noticed the impeccable English… which is not in Sofia’s capabilities but that doesn’t matter.
Is this the work of Halida or the work of your new illusionary love

Kuna

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I will say that I think a man is asking for trouble in some situations when he maintains contact with former girlfriends because women can be funny creatures.  Sometimes the new gf will get jealous... sometimes the old gf will get competitive.

I have previously explained the reasons why I continued talking to my ex gf, until finally she gave up. Unfortunately Sofia would not listen to me and always replied to my ex gf SMS messages and e-mails giving her reasons to continue. Now of course I know the real reasons behind her actions. Part of her plan to keep me on my toes until the *Bigger Better Deal* was found!

I was only a stop gap situation to be used.

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When it comes to platonic friendships I think it depends on the couple.  I know my ex-wife demanded I discontinue contact with all female friends...  I lost some real good friends through those years. I wouldn't do that again...

I have lost every female contact that I had during the 7 months relationship because every female (couple of them over 60 yrs old), despite my explanations and reasoning were, according to her view, potential threat and competitors. Now I have to try to re-establish these friendships.

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I can communicate (to write) with other men (like a man can communicate with other women) because as I can see it is western habit.

When I see my man communicate with other women why I can not do same? It is easy to understand I am like a little child tray to find common principles how to behave in new situation. Yes, maybe these women were friends but it was his opinion, not mine, not common. If he demonstrate his wish to make decision who is it for him (not for us) I think I can make my decision for myself. I can decide who these men for me-friends or not. All these men were only friends for me.

No it is not a western habit to communicate with potential suitors, is common sense to differentiate between platonic friends and prospective male/female suitors and I have never made an arbitrary decision about that. We always spoke about with whom I can communicate or not and in your view where only men acceptable.

In your post where you declared your undying love for me (part of your plan to keep me as a reserve) you said:

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I met Wiz and I liked his place and his personality. Wiz was very kind, soft, attentive, caring, helpful, very sexy man (you can smile but it is true). It was all I wanted to have for my family life. And I want to have now.

We have only one difference between us- he likes to communicate with many people …I like to stay home and keep my family. I like family life. 

After many arguments I think now if Wiz feels himself happier by communicating with friends, women, and people on the street …why not? He can do what he wants for happiness. I find my happiness to stay home, working, cooking, reading, watching TV, speaking with Wiz. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I am right. Of course I’d like he will want to be with me all the time but if it is not possible and if it is not enough for him I can not hold him next of me all the time.

Now I can say I love Wiz very much I know it is LOVE what I feel for him. Because I can compare him with other men, I have tried to communicate with other men and always came back to him  (an admission of your own actions). I want always to be with Wiz and I want to see his face, I like to speak with him and I know he will protect me always and I feel very secure with him.

I feel and I know that he loves me too

Also in a previous reply to JB you wrote:

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But I can say Wiz is not such categorical person like many others. Do you think it is bad? I think no. He always ask explanations and he always try to understand other people. It does not mean I behave badly always and Wiz forgives me. Wiz has enough sharp language and never keeps silent.  I hope you can imagine our conversations after my communications with other men. In the same time I can say I am not a simple case too.

Today you contradict all that with your statements. Of course is a woman’s prerogative to change her mind at will!  ;)

I was only introduced to 2 female friends of yours, whom I met only 2 times and never flirted with any of them because simply they do not speak English and I don’t speak Russian apart of few words. The time we spent together was 24/7 on our own and you never introduced me to anybody else. We only went out as a family and a couple of times with one of yours friends.

Total suffocation and I have been to Sterlitamak 7 times. May I also remind you the time of 2 months in UK, where apart from 2 nights your went to your cousin's (your good advisor with the face like a mole)that we were together 24/7 days.

In a previous post of mine I have expressed my view regarding the 3rd question for which you made no comments.

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Once you meet a person and you start a relationship I believe after a period of maximum 1-2 months, after you meet them, you stop communicating with the others and concentrate in building the relationship with the woman/man you feel strong about.

The details of what happen between us and your actions, during the period of our relationship, are well documented in my several posts, which you also admitted above.

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I said before a good relationship depends on personalities. This moment is very thin .I hope you agree with me?

You have already answered this one in your undying love post.

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I met Wiz and I liked his place and his personality. Wiz was very kind, soft, attentive, caring, helpful, very sexy man (you can smile but it is true). It was all I wanted to have for my family life. And I want to have now.

Did really my behaviour changed so much in the space of the 7 months? I don't think so but if it is true I wonder why?

Maybe as Bruno suggested, I became more aggressive as a result of my relationship with you and now I need to go back to my original behaviour.

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The most of my lady friends say me…listen, Sofia he doesn’t respect you at all. How can I ignore this opinion?

I have alredy explained above regarding this comment about respect and my view is:

If you don’t respect the person you are in love with then you do not respect yourself and I respect myself. Respect has to be earned by your own actions.



PS: I have a question for everybody.

If you were communicating with a woman in Russia, that you never met, for about 20 days and then discovered this woman was declaring her undying love and was talking to him daily on the phone, like Sofia did and does with me, for another man in a public forum what would you do?

Would you accept this public humiliation and contnue?




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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2007, 07:35:40 AM »
Kuna

I see you really changed your tone of voice. I am glad to have a chance to communicate politely without any problems.

I can answer only through my personality, my life experience, my wish in life, my character. You can see in the board how different characters different Russian/Ukrainian women can have. I don’t know how you can make common conclusion about us. But I see you want. Try…

1.Is it reasonable to write to other men if a FSUW says she loves her man?

My answer was NO.

I want to begin from afar.

In Russia I have definite standard of family life.

When woman and a man agree to create relationship I know my man can not communicate (write) with other women. It will be the finish love story immediately. Because he knows I look him like at potential husband. He knows he must show his vision of family life. Of course I must show too. And I can say more two families (I mean parents) observe us too. I have many people behind my back (parents, relatives, and friends). I can not ignore their expectations.

In my case I behaved like exactly what I was writing above. When I saw different way from Wiz I was losted…because I didn’t understand. 

Now after reading some posts here I understand western people can communicate with others easy and it is not wrong with that at all.

Now I can say YES and NO.

It means I can not bring my rules to the west. If I want to live in the West I must live with western rules. Of course I need some period to change my habits because sometimes I can behave automatically like Russian.

I can communicate (to write) with other men (like a man can communicate with other women) because as I can see it is western habit.

When I see my man communicate with other women why I can not do same? It is easy to understand I am like a little child try to find common principles how to behave in new situation. Yes, maybe these women were friends but it was his opinion, not mine, not common. If he demonstrate his wish to make decision who is it for him (not for us) I think I can make my decision for myself. I can decide who these men for me-friends or not. All these men were only friends for me.

I said before a good relationship depends on personalities. This moment is very thin .I hope you agree with me.

It is similar situation with western man. When he is in Russia he must behave like Russian (I think so). When man is with Russian woman in Russia  he can not flirt (to write) with many women around because another Russian people, my friends, my parents, relatives can think…sorry, but this man doesn’t respect you and us. It happened with Wiz when he was in Russia. The most of my lady friends say me…listen, Sofia he doesn’t respect you at all. How can I ignore this opinion?

I can not flirt and communicate with other men too (when we have a relationship), I can not invite one man to my house today and tomorrow another man. Nobody will understand that in Russia. If woman invite western man to her house it is because she makes big decision and I suggest men to think carefully with visit woman in Russia.

Do you want I will answer at your another questions?

So. I want to stop now and I wait retorts. :)

Sofia



Sofia,

Thanks for the response...  My tone hasn't changed though, I'm still cynical - but I think I understand you a bit better now.

What I understood from your post is that you don't think it's appropriate to contact other men when you're in a relationship but you thought it was justified because wiz was in contact with other women.

Of course wiz claims they were platonic relationships (or crazy ex girlfriends), and that's probably where the big differences started. 

After the cracks first appeared in the relationship it was probably time to say goodbye.  Unfortunately things dragged on and there's now no clear "winner".

Sad... but inevitable I think.

Kuna

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #60 on: April 07, 2007, 02:53:48 PM »
Wiz, sorry my man, but I think you're obsessed.  I don't have all the facts about what went on between you and Sofia, and the truth is, I really don't care.  It's obvious that you were hurt by the relationship and it seems you are lashing out in anger and extreme defensiveness.  Every time you post about it you show that you are indeed NOT over it, as much as you try to claim the opposite.  I'm absolutely not taking any sides about who was right and who was wrong.  It's not my place.  But at this point, Sofia is the one who is showing the most class.  Nothing obligated you to respond to her post, which was a response to Kuna's questons, not an attack on you. 

LET IT GO!!!!!    :cluebat: :cluebat: :cluebat:

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #61 on: April 08, 2007, 12:30:36 AM »
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     LET IT GO!!!!!               

It is easy to say let it go when the matter does not touch yourself........

I also think that they both need to let it go and carry on

The main thing they should try and forgive each other, it is very hard to do but forgive each other for the sake of their future , just sincerely forgive and forget and carry on movin on separate ways.......

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #62 on: April 08, 2007, 03:17:42 AM »
Wiz, sorry my man, but I think you're obsessed.  I don't have all the facts about what went on between you and Sofia, and the truth is, I really don't care.  It's obvious that you were hurt by the relationship and it seems you are lashing out in anger and extreme defensiveness.  Every time you post about it you show that you are indeed NOT over it, as much as you try to claim the opposite.  I'm absolutely not taking any sides about who was right and who was wrong.  It's not my place.  But at this point, Sofia is the one who is showing the most class.  Nothing obligated you to respond to her post, which was a response to Kuna's questons, not an attack on you. 

LET IT GO!!!!!    :cluebat: :cluebat: :cluebat:


No I am not obsessed and as you say you do not know the facts and you don’t care.

But I do!

May I also remind you of your own advice:

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I have done it both ways, both cutting it off completely and trying to drag a dead horse, and it was a lot easier and smelled a lot better the second way around.

I have the strength of character to admit that I still love her but if you were in my position I am sure you would dispute such claims.

It is only me and Sofia who know the full truth about our relationship.

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #63 on: April 08, 2007, 04:36:49 AM »
Jazzy,

Forgiveness is not necessary in this case as neither wiz nor Sofia intend to patch things up and return to each other.  Bitterness and recrimination are often part of the healing process when a heart is broken, just as you see people cry when a loved one dies,  in this case,,, a love has died, it's part of the grief expression.  You feel better when you get it said, out in the open, keeping it bottled up inside is not good for you.

We just need to recognize what we are reading here for what it is, I don't think there are lessons to be learned from this saga, we just need to be patient and let time heal these wounds.

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2007, 06:47:24 AM »
Jazzy,

Forgiveness is not necessary in this case as neither wiz nor Sofia intend to patch things up and return to each other.  Bitterness and recrimination are often part of the healing process when a heart is broken, just as you see people cry when a loved one dies,  in this case,,, a love has died, it's part of the grief expression.  You feel better when you get it said, out in the open, keeping it bottled up inside is not good for you.

We just need to recognize what we are reading here for what it is, I don't think there are lessons to be learned from this saga, we just need to be patient and let time heal these wounds.

To stop and to forget is easy way. To overcome problems and to be happy is more important.

Wiz is clever enough to manage his life and I can do that also. We are still here because we don’t want “to miss the flight”.

We have strength to “keep blows”, to ask questions and to take advices. I don’t afraid to look like a fool with my questions when I need to find best solution.

We both don’t need forgiveness from each other. We need a love, an understanding. We wanted to be together. We need to know which way we could be together. It is why we came back again and again.

I think many international couples can go through similar problems.

Sofia.


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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #65 on: April 08, 2007, 07:42:58 AM »
Jazzy,

Forgiveness is not necessary in this case as neither wiz nor Sofia intend to patch things up and return to each other.  Bitterness and recrimination are often part of the healing process when a heart is broken, just as you see people cry when a loved one dies,  in this case,,, a love has died, it's part of the grief expression.  You feel better when you get it said, out in the open, keeping it bottled up inside is not good for you.

We just need to recognize what we are reading here for what it is, I don't think there are lessons to be learned from this saga, we just need to be patient and let time heal these wounds.


Yeah Dear Jb , but is it necessary to pour anger and insults on each other, if they do not want to understand who made this or that mistake to prevent them to be together

I think it is necessary to forgive absolutely in order to carry on, cos they still got bad negative offensive feelings towards each other, they actually can not discuss problems calmly

Do they need actually to dig who is right or who is wrong here right now, if they already settled the matter of not being together for good,,,,,,

Maybe they need some more time to calm down and then to try and understand the problems they had to discuss them in order not to have these problems in the future with the other partners

It is obvious that anger and dispair  covered all the love if they ever had it.............

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #66 on: April 08, 2007, 10:29:20 AM »
Wiz, I ve been in your position before, having gone through probably the messiest divorce that anyone can imagine and seeing my reputation being dragged through the mud.  At first I felt that I needed to respond to every little slight, but finally I realized that all it was doing was wasting my time and keeping the smell of the "dead horse" on me, which wasn't too attractive for any future partners except the vultures, of which there were many.  I think if we took a poll on this board of how many think you are obsessed, it might open your eyes.  I still stand by the advice I gave you.  When there was any hope of patching things up, I was there to give encouragement, but I'm afraid I don't see much hope now, unless you two are just setting things up for some great "make-up" sex.

jb. since when is forgiveness only necessary for reasons of getting back together?  You forgive someone to cleanse your soul, not theirs.

jazzy, wisdom from the mouth of babes!

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #67 on: April 08, 2007, 10:40:03 AM »

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It is only me and Sofia who know the full truth about our relationship.

Does anyone really care to learn the real truth?  A divorce judge would pronounce this relationship irretrievably broken and say "next".

If the real truth is of a hurtful nature that should remain private, I suggest that the two of you quit talking because it will eventually come out.

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #68 on: April 13, 2007, 10:23:48 PM »
Does anyone really care to learn the real truth?  A divorce judge would pronounce this relationship irretrievably broken and say "next".

If the real truth is of a hurtful nature that should remain private, I suggest that the two of you quit talking because it will eventually come out.

Gator,

it is not clear to me that our relationship is irretrievably broken.May I ask you ...why do you think so?

Sofia

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #69 on: April 13, 2007, 11:05:01 PM »
 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Did anyone else see this coming?

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #70 on: April 13, 2007, 11:21:48 PM »
I'm sorry... that was insensitive.  I was just thinking about my last post and decided to elaborate.

Sofia,  I guess I made the comment because it appears obvious to those on the outside that your relationship is a difficult one that seems to frequently cause pain to both of you.  On the other hand you might think other aspects of your relationship are SO good that it's work pursuiing.

I have been in exactly the same situation during a 4 year realtionship that I now call my "Four Year Fling".  I always knew my relationship was doomed but I let things continue because the good times were good.

Now I look back on those times as four wasted years.  Frivolous fun that really served no purpose.

You might think your relationship with wiz has potential but if it's this difficult during the phase where people normally try to impress each other what's it going to be like when you both have a sense of entitlement that often evolves after marriage.

These are only my thoughts of course... I might be totally wrong but I think you both need to stop thinking about patching up something that's clearly broken and start looking to a happier future with new mates.

All the best in your search for happiness.

Kuna

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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #71 on: April 14, 2007, 12:19:01 AM »
I'm sorry... that was insensitive.  I was just thinking about my last post and decided to elaborate.

Sofia,  I guess I made the comment because it appears obvious to those on the outside that your relationship is a difficult one that seems to frequently cause pain to both of you.  On the other hand you might think other aspects of your relationship are SO good that it's work pursuiing.

I have been in exactly the same situation during a 4 year realtionship that I now call my "Four Year Fling".  I always knew my relationship was doomed but I let things continue because the good times were good.

Now I look back on those times as four wasted years.  Frivolous fun that really served no purpose.

You might think your relationship with wiz has potential but if it's this difficult during the phase where people normally try to impress each other what's it going to be like when you both have a sense of entitlement that often evolves after marriage.

These are only my thoughts of course... I might be totally wrong but I think you both need to stop thinking about patching up something that's clearly broken and start looking to a happier future with new mates.

All the best in your search for happiness.

Kuna


Kuna

I feel sorry for you with your previous unsuccessful relationship. I missed the chance to know this case with you and I couldn’t make any comments and a deduction.
I am grateful to you because you want to say what you see outside of our relationship with Wiz. I can not look outside because I am inside.
I think different people can have different wishes for their relationships. I want to hear all advices and make my own conclusion. I can say more I’d like to know myself, my potential, my wish and my way. I want to find somebody who can think like I think .Who can accept my personality. I want to feel similar wish to him too.
Maybe it is very difficult therefore I could not find anybody many years. I don’t want to make a mistake.
Last few days I could read many posts here and I could see many people who had similar life’s position.
Now I think what to do. It is my condition in present time.
Thank you for all the best.
Sofia
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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #72 on: April 14, 2007, 12:38:56 AM »
Hello Wiz,

  Good luck to you in future prospective partners and hopefully you will be very happy in knowing that the past will seem long away when you find that right woman.


 Hello Sofia,

  Sometimes a relationship is over and the damage is done. To have more damage to you or wiz would be something not needed. You have many prospects out there in the world and you too can be happy with the right person.

Makkin
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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #73 on: April 14, 2007, 01:08:40 AM »
Hello Wiz,

  Good luck to you in future prospective partners and hopefully you will be very happy in knowing that the past will seem long away when you find that right woman.


 Hello Sofia,

  Sometimes a relationship is over and the damage is done. To have more damage to you or wiz would be something not needed. You have many prospects out there in the world and you too can be happy with the right person.

Makkin

Hello, Makkin

Makkin: In an insane society the sane man must appear insane.

It’s funny and witty observation. :)

Sometimes it seems to me to meet “my man” in my life is impossible. Maybe it seems to me because of my big disappointments.
If I make some mistakes it is my faults and of course I want to know where and why I made mistakes.
Personally I can accept a situation when I will never meet my soul mate.But I don’t want to sit and wait when my man will find
me.  :)

Sofia
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Re: with love from Russia
« Reply #74 on: April 14, 2007, 03:07:51 PM »
Sofia,

  I think I understand what your saying and all. It is the western difference that you have learned "lately"?

  Why wait for the man then? You can do as you please right?

  I really wish you the best luck but I wish you the best life you can have with that special person whome you find that you can trust.

Makkin
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