Anyone gotten any like this?

[phantom]

Hello,

I got an email from www.russianamericanlove.com a free site, the girl said her visa was about to be approved and she may come and meet me.  She's in medical, said she works in a hospital, as a district therapist.  Says she lives in Kazan, blah blah blah.Said she makes $400.00 dollars a month and one day she decided to save her money for a travel.  she will plan to visit my country after two weeks, and be here for three months, she dosen't want a Russian man, her father left her and mother, when she was only three.  Boo hoo.  Went on about the age difference.  If I'd ber "Pie" boy, whatever the hell that is, never heard that one before, she could come to visit me.  Sent two pics, does not look like a model.  Pic marked   =?Windows-1251?B?yOfu4fDg5uXt6OUgMDAwOS5qcGc=?= (153 KB) 

Any clue?

[I/O]

Just another Boris...............

I/O

[Lily]

May be you could show her photos to jh3?

[Mir]

Nice thought lilly 

[jb]

One of the things not mentioned often enough for the benefit of the freshmen, is that those free dating sites, such as Match.com, freepersonals.com, and others, are the gold fields which are regularly sifted by the con artists and thieves who would separate a fool from his money in a heartbeat.   The scenario listed here, the very idea that a young, single, presumable beautiful, female doctor earning $400.00 per month could qualify for a visa to travel to the USA for an extended 3 month visit is absurd.  We currently have a parallel thread about a young doctor who is about to travel to some unknown USA hospital destination on a "medical education exchange program", or perhaps some other too good to be true "student exchange program", these are ploys which have plagued this pursuit for years.   I would say with 99% certainty that there will eventually be a money play before the "visa" can be issued and travel can be done.

Newbies should know that visas for exchange programs (yes, some exchange programs do exist) are usually "J" visas, and are handed out by the US State Department with a small catch to it.  At the end of the program the exchangee returns to their homeland with a 2 year bar on their passport.   This is to ensure that the person returns to their country of origin, and the home country enjoys the benefits of the higher level of professional expertise gained by sending one of it's citizens abroad for the educational purpose for which the program was designed,,, for at least 2 years. 

Visas to the USA, of any class, do not fall from the skies like mana from heaven to the young, single, beautiful, female FSU citizen.  Men need to stop fantasizing about a quick and easy way to get a FSUW into their home and into their bed.  It's a pipe dream for the newbie and a gold mine for the scammers.

What the hell, I could be wrong,,, but I'm prolly not.

[Nando]

This scam is old

I received at least 4 letters like this one.
Forget it mate, try to find a real woman.

Cheers,

[Mir]

Yes
The question is does anyone still falls for this scam?

[SANDRO43]

The question is does anyone still falls for this scam?

The answer is: apparently, yes .

[Lily]

One of the things not mentioned often enough for the benefit of the freshmen, is that those free dating sites, such as Match.com, freepersonals.com, and others, are the gold fields which are regularly sifted by the con artists and thieves who would separate a fool from his money in a heartbeat.   

This point is valid to a certain extent. At the same time, the free sites are used by women who can barely stand an idea that a man has to pay money just in order to get her address, without any guarantees.

Newbies should know that visas for exchange programs (yes, some exchange programs do exist) are usually "J" visas, and are handed out by the US State Department with a small catch to it.  At the end of the program the exchangee returns to their homeland with a 2 year bar on their passport.   This is to ensure that the person returns to their country of origin, and the home country enjoys the benefits of the higher level of professional expertise gained by sending one of it's citizens abroad for the educational purpose for which the program was designed,,, for at least 2 years. 

 

You are essentially right on the J type visas. Most of the exchange programs have a 2-years home country requirement, usually where the US state financing was substantial. A few programs don't. The 2 years rule means that the beneficiary can not go to USA to work before expiration of 2 years, or can not apply for any immigrant visa. However, I know a few people who could obtain some short-term visits visas to the US before 2 yrs expiration. That makes me think that some types of visa are possible even during the 2 yrs.

The programs are definitely not 'too good to be true'. Not at all.

They also produce very few immigrants.

again, I am not saying the girl is not scammer.

[jb]

I have provided a link below whereby interested persons may educate themselves on the topic of "Exchange" programs as currently covered by applicable laws.  One should pay close attention to the financial requirements to participate in such a program or to obtain a "J" or "Q" visa.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a4ac6138f898d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextchannel=48819c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD

[I/O]

Visas to the USA, of any class, do not fall from the skies like mana from heaven to the young, single, beautiful, female FSU citizen.  Men need to stop fantasizing about a quick and easy way to get a FSUW into their home and into their bed.  It's a pipe dream for the newbie and a gold mine for the scammers.

Every freshman should be forced to read this 10 times before they are allowed onto any introduction site. Particularly well written.

I/O

[Jazzyclassy]

I agree with the fact that it is scam absolutely , no doubt even

and in the USA for a decent woman to get visa is absolutely impossible , so what are we talking about here,

All those fake winners of greencards and visas sound like a cheap jokes really, normal decent women can not get visa to the USA  sometimes to a business trip , so why what is the point in talking about those young girls without proper jobs and no real estate in Russia.

this letter is a scam for sure !

[Lily]

and in the USA for a decent woman to get visa is absolutely impossible , so what are we talking about here,

 

C'mon Jazzy. 

I agree that to obtain a tourist or some other types of visa is hardly possible unless the applicant shows VERY VALID proofs of her non-immigrant intentions.

The situation with exchange visitors is different. Most exchange programs alumni known to me in Moscow have participated in their age of about 20-28 yrs old. The majority of J visa holders were single and had no any significant assets back home. Moreover, I don't quite remember that they have ever been asked to prove non-immigrant intentions.

The requirements of funding such as fellowships or stipend, as shown on the link provided earlier, are highly important.

My point is that the mere fact that the girl in question told about her alleged participation in a U.S. exchange program should bot be considered as a red flag. Such programs are real, available for FSU people and are not *too good to be true*.
She may well LIE about her participation, or her participation may eventually be cancelled, but this would be another thing.

[Jazzyclassy]

Yes dear Lily

those programmers are real , but only for rich girls and boys really

I never had any opportunity to go on such exchange programme ever, though I was studying not bad and my school was not the worst
and I loved languages always , teachers told me to go abroad ,but how could I do that if that requires huge sums of money , that is just not a question that such programmes are existing, they do exist , but once again only for rich very rich parents and their kids

at least my mom and my dad could not pay for me 2 000 $ back in 1996 or earlier , even though my family is middle class

I assume that is clear for most of you here that it is not a fairy tale  really, nothing can  be for free and those exchanging programmes too, we had like a lot of talented girls and boys at school and none of them could afford to go abroad , only rich kids went!

[Lily]

those programmers are real , but only for rich girls and boys really
 

No dear Jazzy 

as far as I can remember from the terms and conditions of at least one of those exchanges programs, one clause was stating that the program is designed for people from the FSU countries who possess the needed academic qualities and wish to study abroad, but are OTHERWISE UNABLE to go abroad to study. That's one of the most important requirements for the applicant to comply with.

The amount of the foreign govermnent' financing may vary from one program to another, but the financing basically covers the essential things needed for a particular program.

For example, a program designed for FSU people wishing to get a master's degree in the U.S. covered train/plane tickets from and back to their place of permanent residence to Moscow to sit for TOEFL and GMAT, the testing fees, the school admission costs, the U.S. visa costs, the plane tickets to and from the U.S. city of studies, monthly living stipend at the basic maintenance amount depending on the U.S. location, and full cost of tuition.

Other programs can have different goals and different financing.

I am amazed how often I hear that those exchange programs are for rich or well-connected people only...

Jazzy, if you are interested, you could make some internet search if there are some programs available for you at the nearest time.

[Lily]

Here is a few info about the US Government-sponsored exchange programs, eligibility, conditions, etc -

http://www.vco-edusa.net/cgi-bin/vco.cgi?lg=eng&id=info&file=10&n=-1

[Jazzyclassy]

well thank you

am too old for this now I think

well I still have my opinion about all these programmes in my life I never had anything for free

[catzenmouse]

am too old for this now I think

Baba Jazzy? Oh No! 

All I can add is it wouldn't hurt to check out what options may be available to you. Sometimes the powers that be do surprise you with positive results.

Ken

[William3rd]

Quite a discussion over what appears to be the standard match.com scammer letter. Worthwhile discussion over the various programs but- as far as giving the benefit of a doubt over a 1% chance-nyet.

There should be some followup with the next series of letters, if the original poster responded to her. The next 3 letters usually tell the tale- along with the photos (usually with less and less clothing and more provocative poses.)

I have fun with these letters. Usually I just send them a 3 or 4 sentence response and a bizarre first name like Wulfgar or Anorexio.

In subsequent letters, I talk about prison experiences, her upcoming gang rape and torture that she can look forward to. For some odd reason, the "girl" always talks about how much she loves my letters and that she is really looking forward to our meeting and how she is getting a "special feeling" from our correspondence.

Then comes the money letter, how she just doesn't have enough to finance her trip but she will be able to pay me back when she arrives.

After the money letter, I send a phony MTCN to the "girl". The record # of responses asking for the "correct" MTCN was 4. Olga, who was coming to "my city" on her J program as an "accountant."

These letters are getting better- it wasn't so long ago that the "girls" were claiming to be applying for fiancee visas on their own. (So have the Nigerian chain letters-now offering a payment for "past services" rendered)

I am aware of ONE-and only ONE- girl that came on a J for camp counselors, who corresponded before she came. Now married with 2 kids. BTW- camp counselors are not subject to the return home requirement.

And the LA Times ran an article last Sunday about tougher visa requirements were making it more difficult for Yosemite National Park to fill summer hire jobs from Asia and FSU applicants for jobs that Americans wont do.

[Mir]

Actually JC does not want to go to USA, she wants to go to UK

[Lily]

Actually JC does not want to go to USA, she wants to go to UK

well, may be I overlooked something 

well I still have my opinion about all these programmes in my life I never had anything for free

Right thought Jazzy  but if you do not pay your money it does not mean the programs are for free. There is no charity here!

The stipendial foundation does benefits its founders. The money assigned to the exchange programs actually stay in the U.S. and this is a huge economic benefit for any country. The U.S. carriers get this money. The visitors bring a few money into the U.S. and spend them on lots of things. You rent a home and the U.S. landlords make business with this money. The U.S. educational institution gets a handsome portion of the tuition plus it gets an eager, gifted student who additionally contributes to the school's diversity.

Last but not least, ultimately those money come from the taxpayers.

[Jazzyclassy]

Yes dear Lily and dear Mir you are both right

and I am right too:P

I am not interested in the USA for my personality US is a bad thing , though I like US I think it is quite  interesting  some kinda world where nothing is impossible , but not for my moral values and not for my level of English language I certainly know less slang , though I caught myself in the thing that I do understand American speech quite perfectly they just prolonging the words and phrases.

Yeah Mir I would like to visit UK:) once before we step into marriage

I wanna see my boy there how he acts and how is his mood and things when he is at home:) he is lovely I bet

Of course no charity I do know these things , I learnt that long time ago, nothing is for free

well and plus not sure I will qualify for a great stipend in the USA , there are tons of people who know English much more better than me, am not gonna compete:)

[DKMM]

you dont have good enough moral values for the USA?

[phantom]

he/she never mentioned anything about an exchange programme, said in the next letter, she tell me the sad story of her visa.  I've tried to upload the pics on here, but it's some weird code, and I keep getting error messeges.  But, she's fully clothed in pics.  The last letter, she was dressed in a winter coat.  Just having some fun with it, when I get bored.  Writing to about six real ones, and planning a trip for september with a 20 hour layover in London, which should also prove to be interesting.  But, he/she never mentioned how they got the visa.  Oh, other then saying that they would be staying at a hotel, or at my house for 3 months.  (Think not)

[Jazzyclassy]

you dont have good enough moral values for the USA?

Lovely DKMM, USA is not good enough for my moral values , if you know what I mean