Do you think this hurts the genuine guys?

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I'm sorry...  I am kind of missing this

WMVMFM = WMVMBM = Write Many Visit Many Bed Many?  This is the only thing I can guess.  I can fill in the blank with the F word.  Am I on track?

Maybe that is the way you should think in some cases????
I bet 80% of the women you see in Odessa have the same thinking, if you give them money and buy things for them.
Not prostitution but is as close as it can be.

[Simoni]

80 % you say?

I disagree, Sort.

Let's not call the majority of women prostitutes, ok?

[MaxxumUSA]

Yep

OMG!  Some must be real losers if they need to go to russia just to get laid.  I'm sorry...  I did not read pike's report so I am not referring to anything there.  All I can say in general is that it is a horrible thing to focus only on that if the women are interested in a lifelong relationship.  It is especially disturbing because if you want sex only it is so easy to get (physically) beautiful women here in the USA in the sack with little effort.

I figure that some might NEED to lie to women about their intentions just to get laid.  But to go to Russia and mislead a woman into thinking there may be long term possibilities to get sexual satisfaction?  Sheesh.  Oh my.  Grow up.

Now...  of course if the women are interested in the same thing this is perfectly OK in my mind.  Who cares...  that is called consentual sex.

I may be naive or old fashioned, call it what you will.  Just seems like the wrong way to go about it.  Even negating for a second the affect on the woman, what about the mentality of the men doing this?  Very unhealthy.

- David

[Simoni]

I agree...

[Daveman]

Yeah, it's a pretty strange mindset to say the least.  However, for a 'sex tourist' to succeed (which maybe happens less often in reality and more often in fantasy), there must be consensual participants.  I think that a lady who'd go back to a guys apartment/hotel whatever right after the first meeting like that is no better or worse than the guy with that attitude.  They're both getting what they want in some way or they wouldn't be doing it.  Perhaps she could think that getting him in the sack will cement their relationship/meeting in some way, or 'mark him' as others have stated around the board, but I really have no idea.  I think both participants deserve each other and whatever fallout they receive from each other.

My guess is that the keyboard romeos probably cause more problems for guys seeking the good women because it's doubtful the good women get tangled up too often with the WMVM sex tourists, and if they do, probably say da svidania rather quickly.

A WOVO or WMVO sex tourist approach would probably work most of the time if the guy played the game correctly. That kind of nefarious approach would probably fool the woman.  Write to her, say the right things, visit her and have a beautiful guide for the trip, fool her into thinking she has a future with him, get her in the sack, have a great time for a couple of weeks and then *poof* gone forever. Wait until a month so before next vacation time and start looking again. 

Yeah, an overly expensive way to get laid for sure... but, it makes me wonder how many actually do something like this? Perhaps claim the woman just didn't work out, whereas there was no intention for it to work out anyway.  Crappy but interesting thought.

Dave

[ScottinCrimea]

I think it's not so easy in the US for a 60+ man to be able to meet and bed 12-15 women in their forties over a three week period as is being bragged about on this forum and others, and they wouldn't have the good looks.  Sure, they could pay prostitutes for less money overall, but then they don't have the thrill of the hunt and seduction.  It does say something about the quality of the women who are willing to go along with this.  Certainly not the best the FSU has to offer.

[Zhena]

80 % you say?

I disagree, Sort.

Let's not call the majority of women prostitutes, ok?

Yes,lets not,especially Odessa is my city. You,Simoni,just wasnt lucky.

[Zhena]

Actually just yeasterday I was looking some agency pictures....What to say,they ADVERTISE the legal prostitution and nothing elase. They show the pictures from the socials where the prostitute-looking girls being dead drunk dancing on some old men lap... :hairraising: I bet after that mostly the sex-tourists will go there as the normal guys will think there is nothing to look for. So insulting.

[Wist]

Until I read this thread I was actually reluctant to tell the ladies I have been writing to that I had already been to the FSU numerous times for fear that they may think I was not serious but only fooling around. Hmm

[William3rd]

Hey Zhenna- which sites were you looking at?

[Sort]

80 % you say?

I disagree, Sort.

Let's not call the majority of women prostitutes, ok?

Never called them prostitutes Simoni.
But they way they act it's as CLOSE as you can get without being a prostitute.

[ScottinCrimea]

And what do we call the men?

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And what do we call the men?

Yeah the men are not better them either.
I WAS there with serious intentions but now and after talking to several people about Odessa i get the same answer.
"Go there, have fun, go home and forget.

[BC]

"Go there, have fun, go home and forget.

Sounds like the 5 'F' club..

[Nando]

To tell the truth a certain % of women in the FSU seems to like to have sex with her date after the first meeting, even if you don't buy then gifts.
But some WM guys, even  in this forum  also like to shout that "sex was amazing with a FSU woman", which is ridiculous because it seems they didn't laid down for quite some time with women in their home countries...

[Daveman]

I think sometimes there is an arbitrary relating of sex and gifts/etc.  Some ladies love/expect gifts, want money, etc. Some are more selfish than others, but they all love sex, even the good ones.  So if she chooses to have sex with you, it could very well be that she really likes you, even if otherwise she's more materialistic than you'd prefer.  Sex is sex. It can be used as a weapon, as a manipulation tool, as merely a good time, or as a means to show major affection and celebration of something deeper. 

If a man doesn't like the materialistic nature of a specific woman, sex with her shouldn't even be an issue. If he wouldn't consider her as potential wife material, she shouldn't be considered sex material either... but opinions vary I'm sure.

[Nando]

If he wouldn't consider her as potential wife material, she shouldn't be considered sex material either...

You look like a Catholic priest

[catzenmouse]

Father O'Daveman will be here all week! Sign up sheet for the confessional is hanging next to the door. 

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Father O'Daveman will be here all week! Sign up sheet for the confessional is hanging next to the door. 

LMFAO

[Daveman]

You look like a Catholic priest

Father O'Daveman will be here all week! Sign up sheet for the confessional is hanging next to the door. 

That cracked me up... okay, ready for confessions... but no vows of chastity, little boys, or discussions of condoms allowed.. lol

[Zhena]

Hey Zhenna- which sites were you looking at?

loveme.com

[ScottinCrimea]

So Father Daveman, does that mean if you have no plans to buy the DVD, don't go see the movie?

[SANDRO43]

okay, ready for confessions... but no vows of chastity, little boys, or discussions of condoms allowed..

Father, are you aware that your German boss recently declared that limbo does not exist, really ? Trinidad parishioners are wailing (more than usual) .

[2tallbill]

I've run into something interesting which although it's talked about a bit here and there, I've never seen it addressed in depth.  What I'm talking about are keyboard Romeo's, the guys who write to women but never go visit.  I know the stats are that typically only 5% of the guys who write ever really go over to visit, and I suspect that with the economic conditions improving over there the numbers will drop down even lower.  I kind of ran into this the other day - as some of you know, I was married for 5 years to a nice RW but we are in process of divorce now (amicable).  I've started writing to women again but IMO have not really found someone that I've wanted to visit just yet.  I found one that I was very interested in but as it turns out after talking to the agency that she is no longer accepting letters/correspondence from anyone unless they are actually getting ready to visit her home city.  The reason she cited was that she was tired of corresponding with men who never visited (she's fairly popular from what I can discern).  Of course IMO this hurts guys like me and others who are serious about this endeavor and who have every intention to visit (I'm planning to be in Russia in August or September at the latest).

What's your opinions?  Have you run into women who are jaded by guys who write (and talk a good game) but never visit in the end?

I can talk to a girl for 5 minutes (not now I am married) and convince her that I am
the real deal. If 10% of the girls get 90% of the attention. 90% of the girls shouldn't
be jaded. If you stay away from the 20 something model types you will find more of
the serious girls anyway.

[2tallbill]

Mir, you should understand that the number of WM who visit, read or even participate in forums such as this are but a fraction of the number involved in this pursuit. IIRC I had 4 or maybe 5 trips to the FSU before I even realised forums of any sort existed.  Only then did I start to read a few travel forums and decided they were stacked so full of BS that I didn't bother with any others for ages. I think you'll find a squillion other dumbarses like me out there.

I/O

There are plenty of dummies out there for sure. I talked to one guy who
1. Was 68 and meeting 34
2. Borrowed money from his house to make the trip
3. Brought a ring with him
4. Spoke very disparagingly about Ukraine on the airplane, until I told him
that nearly everyone on the plane understands English.
5. In two minutes with his girl, I could tell he was lost in love and she was
already bored with him and was totally working him.

I have seen the last one a dozen times.
1. Watch the girls eyes
2. Listen to everything she says
3. Remember what she says
If she isn't a good girl she will slip up. Her eyes will always tell you more than her lips.