Odesa women - Part 4

[Albert]

Note:  Read my warning in part 1 and do no read this posting if the warning applies to you.

Gal three on third full day in Odesa.

Early to mid 40s.  One of those super slender ladies who are only about two thirds to three quarters the width (left to right) of most (even slender) women . . . when categorized as slender from front to back.  At the bottom end of my height requirement of 5 feet 4 inches.  A classic looking chiseled face, but not quite beautiful category.  She had had a son at late age, so it was going to be tough for her to find any man, I knew.

Worked as fashion designer for women's clothing and had travelled extensively thoughout Europe and spoke pretty good English.

Had been very quick to answer my messages, but at times I wondered if she really remembered which guy I was.  I sensed some desperation.

But then, she threw me in her very last message by saying that she was a very punctual person and would only wait 10 minutes for me.  If I wasn't there in 10 minutes she would assume the meeting was off.  I was fairly shocked at this message in view of her previous very positive and 'anxious to meet' type comments.

But, by now, I was really getting used to these unpredictable Odesa women!!!

I, of course, am always on time.  When we met, I joked with her about this and fact that I was the newcomer to town, what if I had a broken leg and was crawling down stairs trying to get to meeting on time, etc.

She sort of appologized and said it was because most Russian people were always late when she was on time, so she got into habit of threatening people about the meeting time.

Anyway, she took my hand and we were off to restaurant.  We had very pleasant conversation, and later walks all around the waterfront area.  When we circled back around toward my apartment, I asked if she wanted to come up to look at some pics I had brought.  She gave a short laugh , which I first interpreted like . . . 'yeah in your dreams.'

But she kept right on leading me and marched up to the apt.  There she was fairly calm for awhile and then when I gave her a light kiss, she took the lead pushing me down onto the couch and proceeded to shower me with kisses.  She was breathing quite heavily and looking all red in face and down neck very quickly.

After about 100 sexual encounters all over the world (no I am not bragging, many guys surpass me by factors of 10 or 100), I keep thinking I probably won't experience anything new.  But I did.  This woman squirted.  I had read about this for years but never saw it, so assumed it was a tall tale.  But it was real.  This was while my hand was in action and she was in a position pointing downward,  I saw the strong stream and my arm got all wet.  At first I thought she had peed on me.  She wiped off my arm with a sheet I had gotten for the couch and then headed off for bathroom.  My smell of the sheet told me it was not pee.  Quite startling actually, and can't say I really enjoyed it.  In other positions, it would probably not be known that it had happened.

She was back quickly and said, can't we go to the big bed.  We did and she tells me that she craves being touched all over and craves touching me all over also.  Then  she proceeded to show me acrobatic moves and stamina that would put any 20 something woman to shame.  Just an amazing physical abberation of a woman.  Rail thin without an ounce of fat and unlimited energy.  She was in superior position and put her feet on mattress on either side of my body and could pump forever.  If any of you women think this is easy to do, I challenge you to try it.  Sure most can do it from knees on mattress, but try it with soles of feet flat on mattress on both sides of man.  I certainly couldn't do anything like this for more than about 15 seconds before my legs would be screaming in pain.

Then, she announces that we should eat something and do this again in an hour when I recover.  I said that I was not about to recover in an hour.  She said, don't talk like that or 'he' won't like it and of course 'he' won't work.  I had some anxiety while eating thinking she really did expect I could do this again.  She was prancing around in nude peeling apples, pears, etc.  while I prepared the wine.  She even peeled grapes and fed to me one by one.  Quite exotic.  Anyway, when I put my under clothes on, she said, well I will get dressed if you are going to.

Luckily we just talked and listened to music rest of evening.  At around 9 we went out for walk.  Then I told her I would pay for cab.  But she said no, she liked to walk and it was only about a 20 minute walk for her.

So I wasn't quite sure about this woman, her intentions, sincerity, etc.  But I certainly not going to cross her off of any lists at this point.

[Leslie]

Well Albert You will just have to live with your limitations. 

Try a using a table It's much easier if you are standing up.  You need to take viagra on your trips.  It's one of the only sure ways a middle aged guy can keep it up for the six times a day that some of these women crave....

 

[jb]

Oh God, Leslie, you responded to this tripe, shame on you.

[anono]

i remember my first encounter with a squirter. she soaked the bed completely. i also thought at first she had peed all over me and the bed. i did not know what was going on. that was maybe 10 plus years ago and since then i have encountered a number of squirters. most did not squirt to the extent the first one did. i do remember one AW i met and she told me to get a two bed hotel room for our time together. she explained she would soak one to the extent we would not be able to use it for anything else. she was right.

my last relationship with an AW, at first she was not a squirter but the more sex we had and the various positions we explored, she soon became a squirter. she had to be sitting on my facing backwards, towards my feet.

i think if you look, there is at least one website about this type of sexual response. if i ever get around to looking for it and find it, i will post it here.

[Leslie]

JB,

Why not comment?  OK I find the lurid sexual details in bad taste but then I'm British!

IMO Albert's expoilts are every bit as valid as a newbie trip report where a guy spends his annual vacation and travels round the world for nothing!

Lets see Albert has had real trouble setting up blind dates in Odessa.  Good info. He would have had a much easier time in Nikolaev IMHO.  First proper date is with a woman who is out of his league.  She shows some interest but Albert shows none.  Second date is a case of "Yuk at first sight" from her side.  Third date he meets a woman who f*cks his brains out and he just can't keep up. 

This is all interesting stuff for any newcomer to this scene.  I reckon it is truthful which the real "traditional women" tripe served by the MOB agencies is not.

 

[anono]

OK I find the lurid sexual details in bad taste but then I'm British!

and i'm of half british descent!

[BC]

Leslie,

If albert's priority was to find a woman for life I would agree with you. In any case he has stated that his priority is dating and maybe just maybe if he runs across someone interesting enough he might consider a longer bond.

Nothing wrong with that. He's obviously having fun reporting his adventures. It's just that his goals are at at the very edge of the purpose of this and other boards.

His reports do have some value, although I find them more entertaining than informative. In fact I'm thinking about ordering a bulk quantity of 'I Squirt!' tee shirts to market..  Anyone interested? The women will surely love them. :D  Don't worry albert I'll chip you in on any profits..

[Leslie]

BC,

I have commented long ago to Albert that his strategy is unlikely to find him a wife.

Like every guy here he is entitled to go his own way and share his experiences with us.

Albert's experience is dating not paid sex so I cannot agree with your statement -

"It's just that his goals are at at the very edge of the purpose of this and other boards."

His goals are dating and then if he finds someone he falls in love with, to get married.  That is a perfectly normal purpose and his approach is the same as MOST people dating in their own culture!

 

[BC]

Yeah reckon your'e right Leslie.  Being from the 'other end' of the spectrum not even looking for a RW guess I shouldn't complain.. especially with the neighbors~!

Cheers!

[jb]

Every woman is a "squirter" with the proper stimulation.  If your g/f isn't "squirting", then you are not doing something right.  It's only a matter of proper stimulation to get her in the proper frame of mind.  She will squirt if you do your job.

I've never had a woman who didn't squirt after proper stimuli, some of you guys must be terrible lovers.

[Son of Clyde]

Albert and anono.

Let us experience our own "squirters" I haven't much interest in your sexual experiences.

If you care to publish a manual of the proper way to please a woman I'm sure you might find some takers.

Maybe there should be a "trip report" "bed them and leave them" thread.

Do you guys know Smooth Operator?

[Son of Clyde]

BTW bedding 37 of 150 women is not even 50%.

Maybe you are only referring to sex on the first date?

[chuckinwdc]

[user=130]Son of Clyde[/user] wrote:

Albert and anono.

Let us experience our own "squirters" I haven't much interest in your sexual experiences.

If you care to publish a manual of the proper way to please a woman I'm sure you might find some takers.

Maybe there should be a "trip report" "bed them and leave them" thread.

Yeah, I'm right there with Son of Clyde. If you're going to get into graphic sexual detail, then please post a warning in the subject line.

Really people, talking about "squrters" in a public forum is about as crass as you can get.

Chuck in D.C.

 

[Leslie]

Clyde and Chuck,

Albert did publish a warning that he would be sexually explicit  in the first of this series of posts.  This should be a trip report.  I hope Albert will publish the next trip as such.

Both of you have complained about the atmosphere on this board.  Too much judge mentalism - personal attacks etc.

Then you try to IMPOSE your own "PC" attitudes on what should be posted on the board.

Give us a break from your narrow mindedness.  What Albert has to say is VERY beneficial for a newcomer to read even if he has no intention of emulating this behavior.

If you don't like something or someone on this board then just don't read what they have to say.  We will all get along peaceably that way.

 

[Turboguy]

Perhaps there should be a whole new section called something like "sexual Drivel"   Then those of us who consider the number of times someone likes a particular thing, what things they like, what social groups someone belongs to or the like can just bypass the whole secton.  Perhaps we can even get a combination of the forum software and auto cad engineering program and put a grid on the screen for easy measurement so everyone can do accurate measurement of whose is bigger.

[Leslie]

Well turboguy,

How do you reconcile what you just posted and the sentiments you expressed to Dan in the board re-focusing thread.  I quote:-

Well, I will try.  I think it will be a stretch for a few people but I hope they can all rise to the challenge.   I think Dan is right that this board has tremendous potential to be a real asset to the Russian/American romantic community.   I hope it can be a place where ideas can be shared and discussed and not ridiculed where people can be open about their concerns, their hopes and their dreams and not be squashed into to pavement like a wayword ant.

Anything I can do to help, I will be happy to do.   I hope this all works.

Hmmm...

There is a word that comes to mind


 

[jb]

Les,

Albert did post a warning at the beginning of his thread.  I think the bone that's sticking in the throat of a lot of these guys is that this is supposed to be all about finding a suitable mate, not about carving notches in the bedpost.

It is just my personal opinion, but I feel T/Rs from admitted sex tourists are out of place here.  I wish it was otherwise, but that's just the honesty of it.

I think in terms of dealing with other men in a different light I guess.

[Bruno]

My God... in my T/R, i speak about sex... and i have not find a suitable mate... do i am a sex tourist now :P:P

Joke...

Seriously, do you think that a normal man go spend all his holiday and a lot of money for meet a RW only for sex... since you can find it at home city for a more low price... why go to other country... yes, sex tourist exist but more for make something prohibith in the living country...

I am almost sure that when Albert spring from one bed to a other in FSU, it is for search a life partner... and if not, he is really crazy because with the money used, he can f*ck all the year at home...

Some of us like sex but it is nothing bad to this until the two partner agree... in some way, sex is a part of the love between two people...

Sometime, i am surprised by the hypocrisy in US... the country number one in the industry of sex but too the more conservative... a strange ambivalence...

[jb]

Bruno,

I know English is not you native language, so I'm also not surprized you missed the thrust of my post.  

This thread was originally started by Albert, your name was not mentioned.  I have visited Odessa years ago, this thread was about Odessa women.  It is just my opinion that Odessa women are probably no less intellegent than women from any other of the FSU cities. Perhaps they are even more decerning than most. If the ladies of Odessa recognized Albert for what he is, more power to them.

Sometime, i am surprised by the hypocrisy in US... the country number one in the industry of sex but too the more conservative... a strange ambivalence...

Americans also like sex, we just don't think it's cool to brag about a conquest on the town square.  Such behavior is considered low class and sophomoric, like the actions of a 14 y.o. bragging in the school yard.

That's all I was trying to get across.

[chuckinwdc]

I think the bone that's sticking in the throat of a lot of these guys is that this is supposed to be all about finding a suitable mate, not about carving notches in the bedpost.

It is just my personal opinion, but I feel T/Rs from admitted sex tourists are out of place here.

JB captures my perspective perfectly in his comments above.

I don't think it's about being narrow-minded, Leslie, as you said. Rather, it's about the purpose of the RWD -- finding a suitable FSU mate, and living with her. It's not about crowing about one's sexual conquests, and then posting DETAILED descriptions of sexual adventures.

Yeah, guys talk amongst themselves privately sometimes, and that's natural. But posting detailed descriptions of sexual adventures in a public forum is seamy and crass, in my opinion.

Leslie, you and others are free to disagree, of course, but please do so without including personal insults.

Chuck in D.C.

[Leslie]

JB and Chuck,

Here is Albert's warning posted at the beginning of part 1 -

WARNING:  Not to be read by virgins, closet homosexuals, put the FSU women on a pedestal types, and others who are revolted by normal sexual conduct.

I repeat here what I have said before.  Yes, boring to some, but I do so in a (probably futile) attempt to forestall some of the stupid comments by those who know nothing of my background.

First, I date many women in many countries of the world.  I believe in the standard practice (outside these discussion boards) of dating first, and thinking of marriage second.  I am not adverse to marriage, but I am not desparate in looking for a wife similarly to looking for a TV, car, etc., as something that must be obtained within X time period.

Second, I travel for business first and, as I am heterosexual, always look for women also.  I have been to FSU over twenty times, had first dates with over 150 FSU women (to be increased after this trip) and been intimate with 37 (to be increased after this trip).


You might think Albert is a sex tourist but is it your role to act as censors?

If Dan does not want Albert to post here then surely he can tell him and delete these threads??

If you don't like these posts - don't read them and comment on them.

I am only posting now to illustrate a point. 

Critical posts on a clueless romantic idiot - BAD

Ctitical posts on experienced guy talking about the women he had sex with - GOOD

Curious!

Oh and I am not personally insulting you. Albert learned to ignore comments like these long ago.  I am not going to post any further defence here. As JB is aware I too find TMI posts to be in poor taste. 

 


 

[chuckinwdc]

 I am not going to post any further defence here.

Whether or not to post your opinions is your choice too, and I wouldn't suggest that you shouldn't.

Chuck in D.C.

 

[jb]

Leslie,

I know you are probably as straight laced as anybody here, you and me go waaaaaaayyyyyyy back to those days when you still lived in NYC, remember?

We used to talk for hours on the phone about our respective situations. Perhaps I don't know you as well as others, but I do still feel a special kinship with you.

You might think Albert is a sex tourist but is it your role to act as censors?

I'm not censoring Albert; I'm just saying I don't like him.  I don't like his kind, I don't like his attitude towards woman, and I don't like his prescribed method of praying on agency women who are looking for a husband, or probably, even his brother.  He represents what's bad in this game.

Any time a man visits a MOB agency and selects women for dates under false pretenses, he gives every honest man looking for a mate a black eye.  Unless I'm mistaken, Albert has mentioned in previous posts that he visits online MOB agencies and picks out women to meet when he comes to town.  If I'm wrong I apologise, but I think I'm right about this.  He refers to them as "Online dating" sites, but I think the meaning is clear.

Or am I being unnecessarily puritanical here?

[Turboguy]

Well turboguy,

How do you reconcile what you just posted and the sentiments you expressed to Dan in the board re-focusing thread.  I quote:-

Leslie, that was a joke.  I did not mean that as a serious suggestion.   The reality of it is that sex can be discussed tastfully as Bruno did in his post where it helps convey what is happening with the relationship.   There was no bragging, there was no notch on the handle of the weapon in his holster it was just part of a sad but beautiufl story. 

Bruno did not list the number of conquests of russian gals he has had and did not every twitch of her body as he sent her into wild spasams of completion.   I belive that there is a time and place to discuss sex and there are places for sex tourists to go and recount their conquests and where people want to hear about every muscle contraction.   Personally I think most of the people here are not in that group.  There are some who definately are interested in that.

I am sorry my joke confused you.  I think a board that has people treating others with respect and trying to help is what I hope this board is.   I like much about this place and think there are a lot of great people here.   I guess the most important thing is what Dan wants this site to be and what we all can help make it.

[Turboguy]

Let me add a few things here.  I am not particularly revolted or offended by it.   Actually I am more bored by it than anything.   I have had my share of experiences in my life.   If I started talking about them no one would consider me a prude by any means.   To me this site is about finding love with a Russian or FSU woman and trying to build a happy life.  It is about helping others in their attempt to do the same.  It is about making friendships and helping each other through what may at times be a difficult but rewarding phase of our lifes.

People who are basically sex tourist are after a totally different thing.  They are basically using a woman for their own gratification, sure perhaps the woman is doing the same in reverse but it is not about romance, happiness, buiilding a happy life, treating others with respect and kindness and making dreams come true.   There is noting wrong with either if that is what is right for the person.  I just question if they both belong in the same place.