Odesa women - Part 4

[catzenmouse]

Leslie, you and others are free to disagree, of course, but please do so without including personal insults.

Chuck in D.C.

Chuck,

In many of these types of communication forums it is usually when someone has no logical foundation to argue the point they will revert to name calling and take on the attributes of a school yard bully.

Class is as class does.

Ken

[Son of Clyde]

I did not read much past the warning to get the gist of Albert's post.

I don't see I was name calling or anything of the sort I was poking fun at Albert's poor odds of 37 of 150 women.

I agree with Chuck, guys talk openly of sexual adventures amoung small groups of friends or at bachelor parties. I thought Albert's post and anono's "squirting" post were inappropriate for a public forum.

Maybe a porn site would be a better place to post these things.

[Bruno]

Sometime, i am surprised by the hypocrisy in US... the country number one in the industry of sex but too the more conservative... a strange ambivalence...

Americans also like sex, we just don't think it's cool to brag about a conquest on the town square. Such behavior is considered low class and sophomoric, like the actions of a 14 y.o. bragging in the school yard.

That's all I was trying to get across.[/quote]
JB, i have good understand your post... i have only try to defend a little Albert... i don't think that he is a sex tourist... i think that he is only try to find a wife... unfortunaly, he have a lot of sex relation but no one woman good enough to be his wife... in some way, i have some compassion for so people... they are like the russian writer and poet Puskin Alexander... he have know a lot of woman during his life ( muse ) but he is dead alone...

No, about Odessa, i cannot judge... so big city and so much different women... his title is bad... he need write : some Odessa women...

Now, i know the problem of American to bring something to the "town square"... when i was in Texa, i was enough surprised about the problem of drink beer in public... i was obligate by police to keep my beer in the paper bag when i was drinking in the street... it is like somebody say me : " you can make bad thing but nobody can see it"... i find this not logical... you need to asume the responsability of your act... good of bad... hiding something is not far from "lie"...

Albert is maybe not perfect, but he hide nothing ( i think )... i don't agree with all he make but i respect him because he say what happen... and really, i feel me sorry for him because he have not already find his friend, soulmate, wife, mother of future children... i was with the same feeling for Anomo... but i think that he is on the good way with "J"...

Yes, man like sex... but if they have the choice, they prefert a long term relation with a fixed partner...  

 

[jb]

Bruno,

Yes, all men like sex, but gentlemen don't discuss their sex partners in public, don't you see the difference?

Truthfully, I'm having a hard time understanding your attitude.  

[jb]

Bruno,

Let me say it to you gently...

Grown up people have sex all the time,,, no big deal. We just do not discuss the fact outside our own bedroom.  It is personal business, nobody else should be privy to this information.  It's private.

Frankly, when you elected to share your sex life activities on the board, your status took a nose dive in my estimation.  I lost respect for you.  I had thought better of you.

Any other member who chooses to tell us about his sexual exploits and conquests will also shoot themselves in the foot in my opinion, I will not hold them in high regard either.  

Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't do that.

[Leslie]

Turboguy,

I was taking myself too seriously this afternoon.  I apologize to you.

I suppose I am asking the impossible of certain members of this forum.  To see past your own moral judgments of Albert's behavior and examine the consummate skill with which he plays the dating game in FSU. 

He travels independently.  He does not use agencies.  He sets up dates mostly via the free personal sites.  He dates with success.  He is seldom fooled or scammed.

Albert knows how to find and date women in the FSU.

Once you know how to do this there is the option of falling in love with the process itself and not looking for a wife.  I have been there myself.  Maybe that is what Robert is doing now.  I think Albert is in love with the process.

OK you don't agree with what Albert is doing but this is consensual sex between mature adults.  It is also VERY REAL.  This is what dating is like in FSU.  Albert gives a far more realistic impression of FSU women than that peddled by the agencies.

If I were still searching instead of mooch-ing around the house waiting for my wife to go into labour I would be talking extensively with Albert and "picking his brains".  Anyone can use this approach - just substitute your own "wife selection criteria" and look for her.



 

 

 

 

 

[Bruno]

Jb, don't try too much understandt me... i am Bruno and i am unique... like it exist only one JB... and when compare to other people of my country, i am very shy... geographic and cultural difference...

Frankly, when you elected to share your sex life activities on the board, your status took a nose dive in my estimation. I lost respect for you. I had thought better of you.

Why lost respect, i am the same man that before... it is the first T/R report i have make in my life, and specialy for the forum... i have write on my block note a lot more, so much detail about all that i have cut several part, specialy with Luda... i have try to make the T/R the most complete is possible... show the true story

Any other member who chooses to tell us about his sexual exploits and conquests will also shoot themselves in the foot in my opinion, I will not hold them in high regard either.

I have not try to show some sexual exploits but what have happen day after day... and it was a mistake with the two women... i have not reach my goal to marry one... The explanation about sex needed to understand my mistake... after my misluck relation with Galina, i was fixed on sex with Luda... she was young, open minded but not ready for married... she have say it from the very beginning but my brain have not accept it... i was a desesperate man... My story with Luda was not bad, myself was bad, i have forget the reason of my trip... And for newbies, it is very interesting to see how a normaly reasonable man like me have loose the way of his quest... because of sex... my final conclusion for these trip are not finish but i make myself enough critic on my comportment... and the full story is needed to understand it...

Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't do that.

No, it is not only you, i have receive some PM and e-mail... but you are the only one who have the courage to publish you meaning... and i respect you for this... yes, it is no more private, it is public but how other can learn from what i have life if nobody make comment about it... until now, from the post of member in my T/R, i feel that everybody find these story good... it is not true, i am always alone... and i have say that i am open to constructive critic... but until now, only Leslie; you and Elen ( via PM ), who have see the problem... for other, it is only a beautiful T/R and story... now, my own meaning is far from this... i have make several mistake and i hope that newbies are able to understand what are my mistakes, for learn about it... in any case, i make my conclusion next week-end... And really, i am sorry that you have loose respect in me... you are a difficult man who several time don't agree with me but i respect you for your honesty, same if sometime, you are a too much hard.

[Bruno]

Turboguy,

I was taking myself too seriously this afternoon.  I apologize to you... I suppose I am asking the impossible of certain members of this forum.  To see past your own moral judgments of Albert's behavior and examine the consummate skill with which he plays the dating game in FSU.  He travels independently.  He does not use agencies.  He sets up dates mostly via the free personal sites.  He dates with success.  He is seldom fooled or scammed. Albert knows how to find and date women in the FSU.

Once you know how to do this there is the option of falling in love with the process itself and not looking for a wife.  I have been there myself.  Maybe that is what Robert is doing now.  I think Albert is in love with the process.

Leslie, have you read what you write... Yes, Albert date a lot.... have sex with women... but until now, he have nobody to marry... We judge Doug, why not wait his second meeting in October... maybe he will be on the way of marriage...

Seriously, i think that Albert use a good way in her search of woman ( free site, independant ) but not the good method... he search the perfect woman... but she don't exist like everybody is not perfect... hunting a dream lead to nothing... onlyto stay dreaming...

Date is one thing, i don't need to go to FSU for date, everybody can make it localy... marry someone is something other... same if they don't agree, several of us meet RW because they are deseperate... they don't find localy the right woman for build a lifetime relationship and search abroad...

I have date several women in my life, i have know sexual encounter... but i have only marry one... and it was a misluck ( not a big, since almost 50% of the Belgium man who marry a Belgium woman are divorced during the first year  )...

Same people already married cannot say that all is perfect but they have find a partner who are the best for them... when you are hunting a dream, this is almost "mission impossible"... maybe Albert need to make some water in his wine...

Maybe i have wrong, but i feel that Anomo, a other big dater, have find the good woman... we go know more insome time...

Now, about Doug, why judge him after only a few day's meeting... wait until the next one, these who will reveal the tru in his relation... and seriously, i am almost sure that he will be married and happy before Albert...

Our main goal is not to f*ck several  RW, or date them but it is to meet and marry our future wife... and sorry, Doug, without kiss, i more near the final step that Albert... of me...

PS : Doug, give up these fight... but come back when you will be fiance... several take you like a fool but in the future, you will be the experienced who learn the newbies... no kiss don't mean no success... like sex don't mean success... the only advice i can give is : Be ready to the bad, so the best can only happen...

 

[Leslie]

JB,

I know you are probably as straight laced as anybody here, you and me go waaaaaaayyyyyyy back to those days when you still lived in NYC, remember?

We used to talk for hours on the phone about our respective situations. Perhaps I don't know you as well as others, but I do still feel a special kinship with you.

Of course I remember JB!

I know where you are coming from.  My wife feels the same way as Etna.  We must chat again.  I am sort of on "paternity leave" at the moment so have quite a lot of free time.

Bruno,

Americans and Europeans do have different cultural "norms" when it comes to talking openly about sexual issues.  I guess we have to accept that.  My opinion of you went way up when you honestly shared your experiences with us. 

Sometimes you have to agree to differ.  I have followed Donna's posts for nearly 3 years now.  I don't agree with her on lots of issues, but I don't care to argue with her (been there,  done that!) as I know this lady won't be changing her mind!

I did not "beat up" on Doug (Photoguy) I am looking forward to the next installment of his trip report.

Chuck in DC

Can you show me a single post on this board where I have insulted you personally?

Oh I know who you are and you know what I think of you.  Lets leave it at that.

To Everyone,

If Dan decides that posting sexually explicit reports is against the rules, I won't be unhappy. I have never done this myself.  I don't find it offensive though. 

[rkn777]

Well as a new poster to this board, and a guy who did 2 WOVO and never got more than a $10,000 kiss, I am interested in all the details of the post.    In fact, becasue I am now going to Odessa on a WNVS trip, I tuned into this report.   Perhaps the poster is a serial dater rather than one shopping for a wife, and I too hope to emulate a more normal dating pattern with FSU women than simpky picking one from a catalog and traveliing half way around the world to visit the same girl 10 days at a time.    I want to go to Odessa, and meet a variety of people.   Some I may become friends with, others lovers and yet one may become my wife.    This guy is doing the exact opposite of what I did last year.    What I did didn't work.   I might not wirte in the style or detail he does, but next time I am in Ukraine, I will not be looking for the mythological "traditional woman"  

 It's amazing that those offended by the "squirting" are the only people reading or commenting, and JB some dogs won't hunt!    You can't be offended by it, and then admit you make your women squirt! 

Glad to be over here by the way!

 

Richard

[chuckinwdc]

Oh I know who you are and you know what I think of you.  Lets leave it at that.

Really? I don't know you, Leslie, and I've been on this board such a short time I'm surprised that my few posts has generated such animosity in you towards me. All that I have done is disagree with you and state my own point of view -- all without resorting to name calling or insults. I'm surprised that you have found that antagonizing.

In any case, I certainly don't feel any enmity toward you and will welcome further civil discussions with you on this and other topics.

Chuck in D.C.

 

[BC]

Boy Chuck, that is being a bit 'sensitive'.. sure ain't a WhiteHouse dinner here.. (buurrp)

[Turboguy]

Sensitive or not it would be nice if everyone can treat the others with the respect they should have.   That is all he is asking for.

Heck, if all that fighting and bickering was a good think I would have stayed married to my first wife.

[BC]

Sensitive or not it would be nice if everyone can treat the others with the respect they should have.   That is all he is asking for.

Heck, if all that fighting and bickering was a good think I would have stayed married to my first wife.

I always try to be nice.

Well at least now when I get bickered at I don't understand the half of it.. there are just sooo many more appropriate cusswords available in RU language. Also packs quite a punch so don't even try fighting Might be a good topic starter for you in a couple years..

Respect.. hmm.. come to think of it I do respect quite a few posters here.. let me rephrase 'learned to respect'..

[chuckinwdc]

Heck, if all that fighting and bickering was a good think I would have stayed married to my first wife.

LOL! That's a good point, Turboguy.

Chuck in D.C.

[Frank]

I like debate as long as it does not degrade others.  I don't like questionable people putting their profiles on this web site, especially in the married section.  I like Elen's point of view, even though I may disagree with it.  She is a nemesis, yet a woman with some wise insight.  I don't like grown men waffling around with lots of indecision.  Take a dump or get off the pot.

If this board becomes a place for men to whine, groan, howl at the moon and beat drums.......I'm gone.  I feel like I'm a kid in school where the teachers pet has complained to her about someone stronger making life difficult.  Life is difficult.  That does not mean we have to change the rules, just become stronger or don't open yourselves to ridicule. 

I want to point out that Bruno has done an excellent job at evaluating and dealing with a difficult situation.  I think everyone here respects that.  If there is some lam blasting to occur, maybe that is a warning to be careful for those we percieve to be screwing up.  We have seen both sides of the spectrum.  Learn from it, don't destroy it.

As far as the Albert types go.......I don't like their attitudes or disrespect toward well meaning women.  I would like to have the opportunity to rip on people like him on occasion because it makes an otherwise boring board more enjoyable:D:D:D   

[Alesis]

When I look back at my 20's and early 30's (I'm 50 now), wow, what a great time! USA, British Isles, Canada, elsewhere...squirters, screamers and major "suckers". In all kinds of places, younger women, same age women, older women. Then came marriage, and my wife and I remained faithful to each other. So I'm single again, but much more careful now.

When I went for an HIV* test, the wait for results was pure mental agony. "My God", I thought, "a positive reading could be a death sentence!" When I came back for the results, I remember when the nurse came into the room to read the test results to me. "Your test results are negative." I couldn't believe what I did next. I started to cry....not just a tear in my eye, but an actual sob. It was a cathartic moment for me.

I had recently decided that I want to be a late-in-life father. After a crappy, life-sucking marriage, I was again filled with hope and a joy for life again. I will now build the family that I desire. And I was SO relieved that I was not HIV positive...that this would not interfere with my dreams. And that I would not be a part of contributing something so negative to the planet, like the spread of an incurable disease.

And now, I'm glad I got through my 20's and early 30's without any sexual souveneirs. I don't have crusty, pustulent sores on my genitals or lips, or unsightly sexual warts. I don't have any life threatening sexual viruses. I am very happy about this.

I understand there is still risk involved, but now I'm smart enough to control the risk to the sleeping point. I'm going for the sex/love/lust thing, versus the sex/lust thing.

Besides, sex with love can be about a gazillion times more intense and satisfying than sex for lust. Though lust ain't half-bad, lust gets lonely when it's without love for too long.

So, to all you squirters and squirtees out there, just be careful.

* Please remember, in order for an HIV test to hit that high 90% reliability factor, the test needs to be run no sooner than 6 months after the last potential exposure.