Why is there still a market for brides in the FSU???

[Thor]

As most men knows so did the "bride"business start around 1992. After this 1000`s of forreign men has come to FSU to look for a bride. History tells us that few have been successful. In fact I read that only 3% ending up marrying a FSU girl...In the beginning many FSU girls had a dream about a better life in the west, but today it seems different because of the improving of the economical situation. We have read about mens experience from Poland, Tjekkia and the Baltic's in the early day of this business, but today this country's are more or less DEAD when it come to find a bride. This country's has entered the European community and they can travel where ever they want.

Anyway the bride seeking business seems to be going in Russia and Ukraine (also Belarus) but it is a problem with immigrations and so on in Belarus. It seems much easier to enter Russia or Ukraine. In Ukraine US, Canadian, Aussies and western Europeans can have a visa at the airport.

Jack Bragg told me that there are girls everywhere in Ukraine that wants to meet foregin men and who wants to leave the country. I am not shure that this is 100% thrue, but at some point it is th rue. My question are: How long do you think this business will survive in FSU?? And why so many men comming here to seek a bride? Why don't the US guys go to Southern America like Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia to look for a bride instead of FSU??

[William3rd]

They do go to other countries including Latin America. And China and PI and Thailand.

[I/O]

Thor:  For the record Aussies can not have a "Airport issued" visa for Ukraine. It is one of only about 1/2 dozen countries int he world where we need to pre-arrange a visa.

I/O

[Turkey]

"Why don't the US guys go to Southern America like Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia to look for a bride instead of FSU??"


I can't speak for everyone else but for me there are basically 4 reasons to consider FSUW over other women of the world:

1.  FSUW have strong family values.  This means for me that they want to have kids and feel that a happy family unit means more than the happiness of the woman but instead extends out to all family members.  Call me old fashion but a family is not just the nuclear family. 

2.  FSUW are beautiful.  In this I mean that I have 2 visions of what FSUW look like.  There is the first vision of a beautiful woman standing at the forest edge, with the snow falling, clad in full fur coat, hat and hand piece.  I know it sounds really ridiculous but there it is.

The second vision is a very old woman, with a weathered face, wearing one of two dresses that she owns, scarf, in the hot sun, digging a tank trench around her home city in anticipation of the German advance.  Both visions to me is very attractive. 

3.  FSUW are brilliant.  They are educated and professional.  This may be the fine point that you are looking for.  Compared to other nations in your list, FSUW are well educated.  They have skills and desires to improve themselves outside of the family.  FSUW and FSUM for that matter, are a huge untapped resource of human potential.  They just need to be freed to explore their interests to somewhere where they will be rewarded for their efforts and appreciated for their accomplishments.

You can talk to them about many philosophical, political and cultural things that you couldn't with the women from the nations that you list  (when you can get them to get over their closed-mouthedness that is). 

4.  FSUW are survivors and have noble qualities.  I'm a fan of opera which means that I delight in misery and suffering (as long as it's not my or any one close to me, misery and suffering ).  The tragedies reveal the noble character in humanity and I am very attracted to that manifestation in people.  A noble women is very sexy to me (the old weathered woman from above).


With that said, FSUW from my perspective (having never met one in their country or even signed up with an agency!!!!), have many qualities that are very attractive.  I will say though that the more I read by FSU people and non FSU people makes me less likely to follow this path (though to be perfectly honest, this isn't something I would consider for some time even if I wanted to follow through).  But I think that's natural. 

[Ste]

"Why don't the US guys go to Southern America like Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia to look for a bride instead of FSU??"


I can't speak for everyone else but for me there are basically 4 reasons to consider FSUW over other women of the world:

1.  FSUW have strong family values.  This means for me that they want to have kids and feel that a happy family unit means more than the happiness of the woman but instead extends out to all family members.  Call me old fashion but a family is not just the nuclear family. 

2.  FSUW are beautiful.  In this I mean that I have 2 visions of what FSUW look like.  There is the first vision of a beautiful woman standing at the forest edge, with the snow falling, clad in full fur coat, hat and hand piece.  I know it sounds really ridiculous but there it is.

The second vision is a very old woman, with a weathered face, wearing one of two dresses that she owns, scarf, in the hot sun, digging a tank trench around her home city in anticipation of the German advance.  Both visions to me is very attractive. 

3.  FSUW are brilliant.  They are educated and professional.  This may be the fine point that you are looking for.  Compared to other nations in your list, FSUW are well educated.  They have skills and desires to improve themselves outside of the family.  FSUW and FSUM for that matter, are a huge untapped resource of human potential.  They just need to be freed to explore their interests to somewhere where they will be rewarded for their efforts and appreciated for their accomplishments.

You can talk to them about many philosophical, political and cultural things that you couldn't with the women from the nations that you list  (when you can get them to get over their closed-mouthedness that is). 

4.  FSUW are survivors and have noble qualities.  I'm a fan of opera which means that I delight in misery and suffering (as long as it's not my or any one close to me, misery and suffering ).  The tragedies reveal the noble character in humanity and I am very attracted to that manifestation in people.  A noble women is very sexy to me (the old weathered woman from above).


With that said, FSUW from my perspective (having never met one in their country or even signed up with an agency!!!!), have many qualities that are very attractive.  I will say though that the more I read by FSU people and non FSU people makes me less likely to follow this path (though to be perfectly honest, this isn't something I would consider for some time even if I wanted to follow through).  But I think that's natural. 

What a load of fooking bollocks, did u read this from an agency....?

[Turkey]

Ha!  It could be the difference from the internet to actually meeting them eh?

[Muj]

You go Turkey!

Thor, why shouldn't Americans and Aussies marry women from the FSU? 
OK, Thor, we marry the FSU women only to help you guys improve your competitiveness .  Or do you profess the same protectionism as in your European economies?

[SANDRO43]

Or do you profess the same protectionism as in your European economies?

Protectionism can take the blatant form of import duties/quotas, or the subtler form of subsidising national products.

How about a US Government-funded program to mellow AW down to FSUW level ?

[ScottinCrimea]

Sandro, I think it would require a few years of testing on rats first.

[Lily]

What a load of fooking bollocks, did u read this from an agency....?

Ste, he has read this from reality, processed through his perception of people, and did very well. Excellent post Turkey!

Especially the point on nobility. I visualize the woman with weathered face digging a tank trench. No agency advisor is sophisticated enough to try making advertisment for the business with visions like that.

[Mir]

And Thor for the record US, Canadians and Western Europeans (that includes you) do not get a visa at the airport.
The fact is that the visa has been abolished for them through a presidential decree.

Turkey

Yes very idealistic visions. Perhaps the best thing would be to preserve the feelings by not going to FSU.

I don't think the marriage agency business is so well developed in other countries compared with FSU. So naturally men who seek a wife oversees find (or due to agency marketing think that they can find) more opportunities in FSU. They can find scores of agencies with thousands of women on the database. The can find organized tours etc.
You can argue that the proliferation of agencies in FSU is due to demand, so it becomes a chicken and egg situation but there you are. The cycle has been established and keeps going on.
How long will it last? Who knows. Personally I feel the number of Western men marrying Polish or Latvian girls is significant, but these girls have already arrived in the country of the men where they meet and fall in love. Once FSU countries are intigrated in EU then the same might happen and finding a partner through agencies might become much less of a fashion.

[BC]

Turkey may be spot on... -but...

I have met quite a women from Spain, Italy, Germany, Turkey, etc etc that share these exact same characteristics.  There is absolutely nothing unique here.

One thing I have noted over the years is that folks living around the southern Med exhibit these characteristics more than others.  I think a LOT has to do with financial independence.  Lower available financial resources (not necessarily a bad thing) tends to maintain tighter family bonds and closer relations with daily interaction.

Sadly, given financial independence (usually requiring geographic separation) these bonds seem to disappear quickly, within a generation or so..

Remember though, such generalizations are like statistics.. you simply cannot apply them to individuals.

[Thor]

Thor:  For the record Aussies can not have a "Airport issued" visa for Ukraine. It is one of only about 1/2 dozen countries int he world where we need to pre-arrange a visa.

I/O

Ok

[Thor]

And Thor for the record US, Canadians and Western Europeans (that includes you) do not get a visa at the airport.
The fact is that the visa has been abolished for them through a presidential decree.

Turkey

Yes very idealistic visions. Perhaps the best thing would be to preserve the feelings by not going to FSU.

I don't think the marriage agency business is so well developed in other countries compared with FSU. So naturally men who seek a wife oversees find (or due to agency marketing think that they can find) more opportunities in FSU. They can find scores of agencies with thousands of women on the database. The can find organized tours etc.
You can argue that the proliferation of agencies in FSU is due to demand, so it becomes a chicken and egg situation but there you are. The cycle has been established and keeps going on.
How long will it last? Who knows. Personally I feel the number of Western men marrying Polish or Latvian girls is significant, but these girls have already arrived in the country of the men where they meet and fall in love. Once FSU countries are intigrated in EU then the same might happen and finding a partner through agencies might become much less of a fashion.

You are rig th about the visa Mir. President Yushenckho made a decree that makes it easy to enter Ukraine. UÌ guess because he knows that tourist are important for the economy in Ukraine. But it seems to me that mostly men comes to Ukraine:)).

The girls from Poland and the Baltic's can more or less travel to western country's without a visa. That has totally destroyed the bride business in this country's. Of course you can meet or find a girl in the Villages in a country like Latvia but it is not easy. Now days also many peoples from western Europe travels to Riga, Estonia and so on on weekends and hollydays. Just go to Riga and look at all the British bachelor party's there....I pray that not the same will happend with Ukraine. But in 2012 will Ukraine and Poland host the European championship in football....I believe that much can have changed to then.

Wherever it is th-rue or not, but it seems to me that there are more girls in FSU compared to men. Also if a girl have a child and get divorced it is VERY hard to find a FSU man that will care for her and her child...So looking for girls with a child is a good advise for men comming to FSU. It will give you a higher chance of success!!

There where a pool among Russian youths last year about what they're future dreams and goals where. Most boys wanted to be a traffic police, 20 % of the girls wanted to be prostitutes and 50% wanted to find and marry a forreign man.....

[Mir]

20 % of the girls wanted to be prostitutes and 50% wanted to find and marry a forreign man.....

So 70% are available, not bad

[Phil dAmore]

What a load of fooking bollocks, did u read this from an agency....?

I couldn't have put it better myself, Ste.

[Turkey]

Yes very idealistic visions. Perhaps the best thing would be to preserve the feelings by not going to FSU.

I'm not so sure about the idealistic thing, I just happen to live in a very cold area and have a great need for tank ditches

[I/O]

Thor: Helluva question and one I have pondered more personally than perhaps many.  FWIW, even from here, Latin America is more accessible than Russia.  I've travelled extensively through both and in fact dated seriously, a very classy Latin American woman from a very well to do family for quite a long period of time. (more than 1 year) Why did that end? Mutual decision because although we liked and respected each other very much, we would've killed each other if we had tried to be married and share a life together.

Why will I marry my Russian fiance' within the next few months? All the obvious reasons, but the driver behind it was that we met each other, I guess it is just that simple.

I see many guys claim it has nothing to do with the fact that their partners are Russian.  For me that is quite the opposite.  It has everything to do with the fact that she is Russian. Her Russianess is one of the key things that makes her different.

I can say from experience that it would be far simpler to marry someone from Latin America or Asia but I guess I have always been one to take the road less travelled.

As to why the market remains, I suspect it comes down to available numbers.  Russia still has a slightly higher female birth rate than male birth rate and although the gap has narrowed substantially, there is still some dsiparity in numbers.  Provided economic conditions remain superior in the west there will always be a percentage of women in Russia who find opportunity for improvement attractive.

I/O

[Lily]

I am surprised that guys finf the Turkey's view idealistic. He seems to paint the picture in somehow large-scale brush strokes, but IMHO he gets it right.

[Nando]

Why don't the US guys go to Southern America like Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia to look for a bride instead of FSU??

Thor I think they go there too. Brazil is a place where many Portuguese men find a wife. It is dead easy to find a woman due to the fact we share the same language.
But its culture and mentality is different from Europe so it is the reason why I chose FSU.
More Brazil is a dangerous country like Venezuela or Colombia. You can be killed in Rio because of 1 € in 1 second.

[Thor]

Yeah I know. My brother worked 5 years in the oil industry in Brazil and he said that it is a very dangerous country. I know that for the Portuguse it is easy because you share the same language and there is also A LOT of hot girls in Brazil. But do they have the same style as the FSU girls? I dont think so. The FSU girls are used to the European menthality and fit in quite easy whereever they go. I would never choose a SA girl if I could choose a FSU devochka . But I totaly understand the guys who go to SA..

[Thor]

You go Turkey!

Thor, why shouldn't Americans and Aussies marry women from the FSU? 
OK, Thor, we marry the FSU women only to help you guys improve your competitiveness .  Or do you profess the same protectionism as in your European economies?

Of course they should marry FSU girls, why not? Yes we have some protectionism in our economi that is thrue. That is why Europa has a strong and growing economi meanwhile the US economi is a dying economi (this is said by the chief of the US state bank). Why?? Becuase the depbt of the US is growing so dangerouse fast and now poletician will do anything about it because it is political suacide......

My countrys (Norway) economi is one of the strongest in the world. Our budget are overbalanced with 600-700 billion dollars . This because of our oil and gas industry who is one of the largets in the world

[Jet]

Back to the original question...
Just like "get rich quick" schemes, as long as there are lonely guys without the social skills to meet/date/marry women on their own, there will be those offering to "help them out" for a fee. The geographic locations may change over time, but the idea will be around for some time to come.

Before anyone feels insulted over what's written above, remember that the vast majority of men using agency services never even visit forums such as this one, much less participate in these discussions - those are the guys that will keep agencies afloat indefinitely.

[Mir]

Well one thing US and FSU countries share is high divorce rate.

http://www.aneki.com/divorce.html

[Turkey]

Well one thing US and FSU countries share is high divorce rate.

http://www.aneki.com/divorce.html