Why is there still a market for brides in the FSU???

[RK]

I am surprised that guys finf the Turkey's view idealistic. He seems to paint the picture in somehow large-scale brush strokes, but IMHO he gets it right.

I agree with Lily on this one. I was kind of surprised at some of the responses also. I've been to Ukraine eleven times in the last thirteen months, interracted with the people quite a bit, and am engaged to a wonderful woman (whom I did not meet on a marriage site!) and I see all of the qualities Turkey describes in her and so many others there. Agreed, how one spins that to advertise people and services is another story, but as far as the basic qualities he describes, count me in.

[I/O]

That is why Europa has a strong and growing economi meanwhile the US economi is a dying economi

Ehem...!!  What nursery rhymes are your reading Thor? The entire EU has been static to very slight recession for now 4 years straight, whilst the US economy, BTW larger than the entire EU economy has experienced growth, albeit small during the same period. Some guys really make me wonder with the baseless BS they come up with.

I/O

[Daveman]

Turkey,

Don't let the guys scare the living hell out of you... if FSU ladies did not carry the traits you describe I doubt anyone here would actually be married to them.  It's simply that are many different types of people in the FSU, ladies included.  If you use your list as a guideline to finding a partner rather than gaze at FSU through glasses colored that way, you can certainly find a lady with those wonderful qualities. Seriously.  But, even when you do find one with the exact qualities you are seeking, there will be quite a bit more to her which will fill in those missing colors and she'll undoubtedly be a bit of a handful - in good ways and not so good ways. 

I often describe FSU women in very idealistic terms as well. Nothing wrong with that, just remember that Roses do have thorns but snakes are also some of the most beautifully colored creatures in the world - especially when poisonous.

Dave

[Turkey]

http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/359/13194_divorce.html

"80 percent of marriages in Russia end up in divorce"

http://www.msu.edu/~shlapent/demography.htm

"This data contradicts the fact that alcoholism is the number one cause of divorce in Russia; up to 92 percent of women leave their husbands for this reason, according to a 2003 study conducted by the Moscow research institute of family and education.[41]"

http://countrystudies.us/russia/50.htm

"In the 1980s, the divorce rate in the Soviet Union was second in the world only to that of the United States, although "unofficial divorces" and separations also were common. Crowded housing and lack of privacy contributed heavily to the divorce rate, especially for couples forced to live with the parents of one spouse. Drunkenness and infidelity were other major causes."

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:ROkDOlil5u0J:longevity-science.org/PAA-2002-Russia.pdf+divorce+in+russia+causes&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=35&gl=us

" Also, the divorce and crime rates may be again strongly related to increased
alcohol consumption."

http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.21711/pub_detail.asp

"Simply put, young Russians are now much less likely to marry--and ever more likely to divorce if they do.

Between 1981 and 2001, marriage rates fell by over one third, while divorce rates rose by one third. In 2001, Russia recorded three divorces for every four new marriages--a breakup ratio even higher than Scandinavia's. The human import of these trends can perhaps be better understood by thinking in terms of a woman's odds of getting married or divorced. In 1990, under Russia's then-prevailing nuptiality patterns, marriage was almost universal--and the odds of eventually divorcing were about 40 percent. By 1995, the odds of getting married were down to 75 percent--while the odds of eventual divorce had risen to 50 percent. In just five years a Russian woman's odds of forming a lasting marriage dropped from about three in five to three in eight. Since then, the odds of having a lasting marriage in Russia seem to have declined still further. "

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1447353

"These authors also found that the heavy drinkers in their study had a frequency of family conflicts and quarrels 6 times higher than that of the non–heavy drinkers. This is important, because Chenet et al.29 showed that marriage among Russians is a protective factor against alcohol-related death and because Stack and Bankowski30 found that single and divorced men have a higher relative risk of drinking compared with married men. In other words, married men who are heavy drinkers are likely to find themselves in situations that lead to divorce, and being single or divorced raises the risk of even heavier drinking."







It seems that while there may be relatively similar divorce rates one of the primary causes for divorce in Russia is alcohol.  I couldn't find any analysis or sites that looked at divorce rates where alcohol wasn't a factor which I think would be more pertinent to our discussion. 

[Thor]

Ehem...!!  What nursery rhymes are your reading Thor? The entire EU has been static to very slight recession for now 4 years straight, whilst the US economy, BTW larger than the entire EU economy has experienced growth, albeit small during the same period. Some guys really make me wonder with the baseless BS they come up with.

I/O

Yes but this is because very poor countrys like the eastern European countrys has joined the European Union. My country is not a member of the European Union and we have one of the strongest economies in the world.

You my be rigth that the US economy is larger than the EY economy, but look at the state depbt in the US...I say again that the chief of the US state bank is REALLY worryed about the economical situation in the US.

[Mir]

Statistics of growth can be misleading, still many EU economies like Italy and Germany have been stagnant. UK economy has grown slowly but still faster then US.
However guess which is the fastest growing economy? No not China but Iraq!
And within FSU? no not Russia, Ukraine.

US, UK, EU and Norway are not even in the top 20 as regards economic growth rate!

http://www.aneki.com/fastest_growing_economies.html

BTW while Norway is the third highest Oil exporter after Saudi and Russia its oil reserves are much smaller then most oil exporting countries (Saudi 265 bbl vs Norway 10 bbl) so Norway's oil will run out soon and unlike Dubai it has not done much in developing tourism/commerce, something to think about

Strangely very few FSU women have won Miss World or Miss Universe competions.

[Thor]

Statistics of growth can be misleading, still many EU economies like Italy and Germany have been stagnant. UK economy has grown slowly but still faster then US.
However guess which is the fastest growing economy? No not China but Iraq!
And within FSU? no not Russia, Ukraine.

US, UK, EU and Norway are not even in the top 20 as regards economic growth rate!

http://www.aneki.com/fastest_growing_economies.html

BTW while Norway is the third highest Oil exporter after Saudi and Russia its oil reserves are much smaller then most oil exporting countries (Saudi 265 bbl vs Norway 10 bbl) so Norway's oil will run out soon and unlike Dubai it has not done much in developing tourism/commerce, something to think about

Strangely very few FSU women have won Miss World or Miss Universe competions.

Yes Norway is the third largets oil exsporter that is thrue. But Norway will not face the same destiny as UK who has runned out of oil business more or less. Norways 100bbl is not correckt since we are developing new ways to find and to exployd oil from the sea. Norway is all the timne developing new ways and we have not searched for oil in the Barents sea yet. Also we have a lot of gas fields, and we will soon start to look for gas in the Barents sea too. Rissias Stochman field for tgas is very cloose to the Norway coast line and we will also start to look for oil and gas there, and we still have Svalbard and the areas surronding Svalbard. Norway have a dispute with Russia when it comes to a boarder line in the Barents sea. That is why we have not done any search for oil and gas up north.

But yes Mir you are rigth, Norway has not done much in the tourist and comerce business. But we have the worlds 2 largets stock fond inthe world:)).

[Thor]

Strangely very few FSU women have won Miss World or Miss Universe competions.
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Yes but remember in 2005 the winner Natalia Glebova represented Canada, but she is actually from Ukraine . She is now engaged to a Thailand tennis player. The girl who ended 6-7 was representing Israel but was also from Ukraine...

Maybe I am wrong here, but i think that Venezuela has most Miss world titles..

[Mir]

Sure you will look for oil and gas everywhere, question is will you find anything?
As things stand, the oil will runout in 10 years, and there is not much to go on with after that.
So maybe long cold nights after that.......

I am not sure what you mean by stock fond?

Yes Venezuela has won most

[Thor]

Sure you will look for oil and gas everywhere, question is will you find anything?
As things stand, the oil will runout in 10 years, and there is not much to go on with after that.
So maybe long cold nights after that.......

I am not sure what you mean by stock fond?

Yes Venezuela has won most

Sorry mate, but I bet 100 0000 dollars that we are not running out of oil in 10 years time, I dont know where you have this info from butthat is COMPLETLY wrong. If you said 50 years I would bet only 100 000 dollars:)). My brother works in the oil industry. He worked 5 years in Brazil for a Norwegian oil company and now he works here in Norway. I have first hand info about this topic:)).

Stock fund means that the Norwegian govermendt has placed our oil money in the stock marked in the world. We have invested 600-700 billion dollars in stocks. Stock fundation if you get the pickture.

[Mir]

Thor

It is not possible to exactly predict when Norway will run out of oil.
However some idea is possible based on figures that are available easily and you can double check with your brother.
So how much is Norways oil reserves?

Check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves

and it is 7,700 million barrels.
How much oil is Norway producing for domestic use and export?
Answer: 3 million barrels per day.
So 3 x 365 = 1095 million barrels per year.

7700 divided by 1095 = 7+/-1 years.
In other words unless there is a drastic reduction in oil export (and hence fall in earnings) or discovery of a huge oil reserve from where oil can be extracted(highly unlikely in my openion) Norway's oil runs out in 7-8 years.
Now I am not an expert and therefore I will be happy to be educated by your brother as how this can be prevented.

As regards investment in stocks, can you tell me where has Norway invested the money? By far the largest stock market is the US market and therefore the largest investment will be in USA. You have said that US economy is dieing, so what will happen to the value of these stocks when US economy colapses?
Food for thought eh?

[macman]

Yo Mir,

You always show data and reference thereof!  I don't care what some of the folks say. . .


HaMir on. . .
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[Mir]

macman

Well I also don't care what some of the folks say. As you know we are running a competition here to become the most ignored person on this forum and at the moment me and Daveman are tied for the second spot

And Thor

The Norwegian reserve fund is not $700 billion but $ 300 billion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_wealth_fund

Yes it might grow to $900 billion in 10 years but essentially it is the Norwegian government gambling the oil money in high risk stock markets and its value can fall as well.

[Thor]

Thor

It is not possible to exactly predict when Norway will run out of oil.
However some idea is possible based on figures that are available easily and you can double check with your brother.
So how much is Norways oil reserves?

Check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves

and it is 7,700 million barrels.
How much oil is Norway producing for domestic use and export?
Answer: 3 million barrels per day.
So 3 x 365 = 1095 million barrels per year.

7700 divided by 1095 = 7+/-1 years.
In other words unless there is a drastic reduction in oil export (and hence fall in earnings) or discovery of a huge oil reserve from where oil can be extracted(highly unlikely in my openion) Norway's oil runs out in 7-8 years.
Now I am not an expert and therefore I will be happy to be educated by your brother as how this can be prevented.

As regards investment in stocks, can you tell me where has Norway invested the money? By far the largest stock market is the US market and therefore the largest investment will be in USA. You have said that US economy is dieing, so what will happen to the value of these stocks when US economy colapses?
Food for thought eh?

My brother told me that only 4% of what the scientist in Norway believe to be the total amount of our oil has been discovered yet...Yes a lot of the stocks are invested in the US. If I said that the US economy was dying so was I wrong, but the chief of the US state bank has said that the deb pt of the US is very dangerous to the future US economy. If there is problem with the US economy there will be HUGE problem in the European economy too.

Anyway back to the original topic. Do you guys think that many men just bump on to a plane and go to the FSU to look for a girl without any preparations?

[Bruce]

Miss World is just a bunch of political bullsheet.  If I was the judge the winners would come from Europe every time.  Blond blue eyed women are just too hard to beat!

[Nando]

Do you guys think that many men just bump on to a plane and go to the FSU to look for a girl without any preparations?

Off course Thor that is how big agencies do their business. Lots of guys on tours thinking they will "buy" a 20 year hottie even if they are 65 years old and looking like my grandfather. The agency bullsnip catch them and there they go. Just watch the videos on youtube for instance

[robo]

Mir

Sorry to disappoint you  , but Thor is quite right (BTW he is form my home town).

You look at oil, Norway has way more gas. Bye some strange reason many countries prefer Norway ahead of Russia when it comes to delivering gas so we get a high price for it .  Thor is also completely right that there are enormous amounts yet to be found, you can use probability statistics to estimate such things.

It's like a big investment bank that places the States money in assets all over the world, the risk profile is very low, so hopefully they don't have much American stocks (bye ethical reasons Wal-Mart was expelled  ). At it peak (with known reserves) the fond will have 150.000$ for each Norwegian. Its hard to understand such things, buts a lot!!!

You can't compare the growth rate of poor nations with the rich ones. Catching up growth, efficient poor countries can leap frog bye using rich countries technology, make such comparison irrelevant. Truth be told, USA has had higher growth than the Europeans and that is pretty impressing for a country on the high tech edge.

[Vaughn]

Robo, is you being from Thor's hometown a mere coincidence? I'd like to see you post an introduction - how you found this RWD board, and what you hope to learn here.

Vaughn  (of Swedish descent, Perstorp)

[Thor]

Off course Thor that is how big agencies do their business. Lots of guys on tours thinking they will "buy" a 20 year hottie even if they are 65 years old and looking like my grandfather. The agency bullsnip catch them and there they go. Just watch the videos on youtube for instance

Yes I know Nando. Some guys back home has asked me how much I payed for my wife..They think it is easy to find a good girl in the FSU. But we experienced guys know how hard this is and you need to prepere well before you go there.

Of course the agency's get guys to believe that this game is easy and I guess many men just bump on a plane to the FSU. But I don't think that this men will be successful..

[MaxxumUSA]

My question are: How long do you think this business will survive in FSU?? And why so many men comming here to seek a bride? Why don't the US guys go to Southern America like Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia to look for a bride instead of FSU??

There are many agencies in South America.  Also the Philipines.  The women there are beautiful also.

My preference in women is thin and attractive.  I didn't care where I found my soulmate but I decided to make the effort global because the thin and attractive women here in the USA just didn't have the same goals.

I think as long as there are women in FSU that want a loving relationship and family with one man - that there will be a market.

And some of the stereotypes that the agencies talk about on the websites are true - at least from my experience.  My Elena wants to be the woman in a household.  She wants to be a loving wife.  She wants me to care for her needs.  She wants children with me.   She wants these things very much.  And she IS beautiful.  A woman like her is nearly impossible to find here in the USA.  But it is common in FSU.

[Thor]

Mir

Sorry to disappoint you  , but Thor is quite right (BTW he is form my home town).

You look at oil, Norway has way more gas. Bye some strange reason many countries prefer Norway ahead of Russia when it comes to delivering gas so we get a high price for it .  Thor is also completely right that there are enormous amounts yet to be found, you can use probability statistics to estimate such things.

It's like a big investment bank that places the States money in assets all over the world, the risk profile is very low, so hopefully they don't have much American stocks (bye ethical reasons Wal-Mart was expelled  ). At it peak (with known reserves) the fond will have 150.000$ for each Norwegian. Its hard to understand such things, buts a lot!!!

You can't compare the growth rate of poor nations with the rich ones. Catching up growth, efficient poor countries can leap frog bye using rich countries technology, make such comparison irrelevant. Truth be told, USA has had higher growth than the Europeans and that is pretty impressing for a country on the high tech edge.

Thank you robo. Some guys here think that we will run out of oil in 6-7 years time:)). Yeah rig-th!! We are searching for more oil in the northern areas in Norway for more oil and gas. The reason that many country's prefere Norway as a supplier of gas is the stably political situation in Norway compared to Russian who use the gas as a political weapon against country's like Ukraine, Belarus and so on...Norway is Europes richest country together with Switzerland and like them we are not a member of EU. Our stocks are placed in safe funds that is th rue and because of our socialist govermendt they ex-spelled the stocks from wall-mart (I don't support this politic at all)..

[Thor]

There are many agencies in South America.  Also the Philipines.  The women there are beautiful also.

My preference in women is thin and attractive.  I didn't care where I found my soulmate but I decided to make the effort global because the thin and attractive women here in the USA just didn't have the same goals.

I think as long as there are women in FSU that want a loving relationship and family with one man - that there will be a market.

And some of the stereotypes that the agencies talk about on the websites are true - at least from my experience.  My Elena wants to be the woman in a household.  She wants to be a loving wife.  She wants me to care for her needs.  She wants children with me.   She wants these things very much.  And she IS beautiful.  A woman like her is nearly impossible to find here in the USA.  But it is common in FSU.

Yes the devochkas are VERY beautiful in the FSU, that is shure. Thin and sexy (the legs of FSU girls are just ), and they care how they look. My wife never go outside before she has put on some make up and made her hair (how many ours have I waited for her.... ). I have several time asked my wife why she don't find a FSU guy to marry. Her sister is married to a rich VIP in Kharkov and I know that she easily could have meet a rich guy th rue her sister. But she says that the men in Kharkov are not serious, they don't want to marry and have a family and they cheat...Of course this is not all the truth, but she has a different view on Ukraine and the FSU men than I have..She has been in some relashionships with Kharkov men and she got feed up with it. But it is not easy to find a attractive women there. To find girls with children is not that hard because this girls are more willing to meet forreign men since the local FSU guys don't want to take responsibly for a child that are not his..

[Mir]

Thor

I agree this is getting off topic so just some references if you are interested.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/business/article1811620.ece

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/11/18/business/wbnoroil.php

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3622129.stm

[Mir]

Robo

I am not disappointed at all.
Norways oil does not affect my health at all and I base my arguments on facts rather then hype

[SANDRO43]

Yes Venezuela has won most

Only 4 times to USA's 7 and Puerto Rico's 5, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Universe.

I was in Caracas in the summer of 1979, when 18-y.o. Maritza Sayalero was the first Venezuelan to win the title. The city simply went wild, and she was greeted at La Guaira airport by Venezuela's President on her return home .