Why is there still a market for brides in the FSU???

[Muj]

quote author=Thor link=topic=5144.msg88808#msg88808 date=1181992845]
Of course they should marry FSU girls, why not? Yes we have some protectionism in our economi that is thrue. That is why Europa has a strong and growing economi meanwhile the US economi is a dying economi (this is said by the chief of the US state bank). Why?? Becuase the depbt of the US is growing so dangerouse fast and now poletician will do anything about it because it is political suacide......

My countrys (Norway) economi is one of the strongest in the world. Our budget are overbalanced with 600-700 billion dollars . This because of our oil and gas industry who is one of the largets in the world
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Of course they should marry FSU girls, why not? Yes we have some protectionism in our economi that is thrue. That is why Europa has a strong and growing economi meanwhile the US economi is a dying economi (this is said by the chief of the US state bank). Why?? Becuase the depbt of the US is growing so dangerouse fast and now poletician will do anything about it because it is political suacide......

My countrys (Norway) economi is one of the strongest in the world. Our budget are overbalanced with 600-700 billion dollars . This because of our oil and gas industry who is one of the largets in the world

Thor, first

Norway is prosperous by luck of geology and current prices.  Prior to oil Norway was one of the hardwest working but poorest people in Western Europe, now the opposite.  No competitiveness made Norway the richest.  Years ago Norway oil prices were subsidized even.  Look at your neighbor Sweden, their government subsidizes every Saab $10k to $20k.  They pay the consumer to buy it!  No oil there.  How is their standard of living?  Much lower to the US and decreasing in comparison.

Any European industry directly competing with the US is shown the superior qualities of the US business.  Airbus vs Boeing for example.  In 1 to 2 years Airbus will be on the proverbail ropes crying big bad Boeing American company, Europe give us more free loans.  Boeing was never in such a position.  Thankyou Airbus for making Boeing sharper and better.  Years ago German Chancellor Kohl claimed Germany manufactured the best 19th century products in the world.  This is due to the protectionist economy.  We in the US compete directly with anyone on the globe.
The debt situation is nothing new in the US.  It will always remain.  The world famous British magazine "The Economist" frequently advocates a quicker transition of the EU to a US type economy.  The magazine constantly criticizes the EU for the protectionism and lack of competing stalling any EU growth.  Thor, you should read a little more facts and be less of a political agenda sheep .

[Muj]

Thor said "Of course they should marry FSU girls, why not?"
Then what is your problem with Americans in the FSU?
 

[SANDRO43]

Any European industry directly competing with the US is shown the superior qualities of the US business.  Airbus vs Boeing for example.  In 1 to 2 years Airbus will be on the proverbail ropes crying big bad Boeing American company, Europe give us more free loans.  Boeing was never in such a position.

No ? I'd say your last statement is ... disingenuous, to put it mildly:

For many years the US Government has subsidised Boeing, mainly by paying research and development costs through NASA [US National Aeronautics & Space Administration], the Department of Defense, the Department of Commerce and other government agencies. Since 1992 Boeing has received around $23 billion in US subsidies. Moreover, the US Government continues to grant Boeing around $200 million per year in export subsidies under the Extraterritorial Income Exclusion Act (the successor to the “FSC” –  Foreign Sales Corporations legislation), despite a WTO ruling expressly declaring these subsidies illegal.

The latest and most flagrant violation consists in massive subsidies of about $3.2 billion, inter alia, in the form of tax reductions and exemptions and infrastructure support for the development and production of Boeing’s 7E7, also known as “Dreamliner.” The evidence the European Commission has collected over the years clearly demonstrates that the above subsidies violate the WTO Agreement on Subsidies and Countervailing Measures.

Moreover, they also violate the 1992 EU-US Agreement on Trade in Large Civil Aircraft which regulates precisely the forms and level of government support the US and the EU provide to Boeing and Airbus respectively.

Despite repeated invitations by the Commission, the US has declined to participate in the bilateral consultations stipulated by the 1992 Agreement for more than two years. Nonetheless, further to a US request only a few weeks ago, the Commission agreed to discuss the question of a possible revision of the 1992 Agreement provided that this would cover all forms of subsidies including those used in the US and that the US would bring any subsidies for the Boeing 7E7 into conformity with the 1992 Agreement.

http://www.eurunion.org/News/press/2004/200400137.htm

See also for non-European sources, among others:
http://www.buffalo.edu/reporter/vol35/vol35n40/articles/Boeing.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/09/17/edair_ed3_.php
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/client/modele.pl?prod=80524&session=dae.25749600.1178007718.
S5uq@X8AAAEAABtuf4UAAAAM&modele=feature
http://www.cei.org/utils/printer.cfm?AID=4974

[Dan C.]

Sandro,
  Since I work at Boeing, I am not unbiased on the subsidy issue.  However, I do agree with one of the quotes for the links you provided:

As it sifts through the benefits Airbus and Boeing each receive, the WTO may find it difficult to judge which is the worse offender.

Both sides subsidize their aircraft industries differently in ways that show us how their economies and governments operate.  The US provides a lot of indirect aid, the European governments more directly.  Both sides provide infrastructure aid. 

  The nature of Boeing's indirect support give it more freedom to do business.  After 9/11, somewhere on the order of 30,000 workers were laid off from 2001-2005 and company operations were restructured in order to regain competitiveness.  Airbus is trying to enact the Power 8 restructuring to be more competitive, but is running into major political problems. 

  This highlights differences between how the European and American economies operate. 

[Muj]

Sandro,

The main differance is that Boeing responds to competition by structuring its business more competitively.  Whereas Airbus follows the European mode of whining to the government for $$.  Sure Airbus gathers all kind of reasons for their failures.  Fact is that Airbus arrogantly took their "subsidies" and invested in short range aircraft.  Boeing responded to customer input and invested successfully, in the long range aircraft,  as the better business does. 

[Thor]

Thor said "Of course they should marry FSU girls, why not?"
Then what is your problem with Americans in the FSU?
 

Ehhhh....What is the problem with Americans in the FSU????? I am sorry but I dont understand this one. Does anybody have a problem with the Americans in the FSU??? I just asked why US guys go to FSU who is so fare away when they can go to South America who is much clooser to the US..

[Thor]

quote author=Thor link=topic=5144.msg88808#msg88808 date=1181992845]
Of course they should marry FSU girls, why not? Yes we have some protectionism in our economi that is thrue. That is why Europa has a strong and growing economi meanwhile the US economi is a dying economi (this is said by the chief of the US state bank). Why?? Becuase the depbt of the US is growing so dangerouse fast and now poletician will do anything about it because it is political suacide......

My countrys (Norway) economi is one of the strongest in the world. Our budget are overbalanced with 600-700 billion dollars . This because of our oil and gas industry who is one of the largets in the world

Thor, first

Norway is prosperous by luck of geology and current prices.  Prior to oil Norway was one of the hardwest working but poorest people in Western Europe, now the opposite.  No competitiveness made Norway the richest.  Years ago Norway oil prices were subsidized even.  Look at your neighbor Sweden, their government subsidizes every Saab $10k to $20k.  They pay the consumer to buy it!  No oil there.  How is their standard of living?  Much lower to the US and decreasing in comparison.

Any European industry directly competing with the US is shown the superior qualities of the US business.  Airbus vs Boeing for example.  In 1 to 2 years Airbus will be on the proverbail ropes crying big bad Boeing American company, Europe give us more free loans.  Boeing was never in such a position.  Thankyou Airbus for making Boeing sharper and better.  Years ago German Chancellor Kohl claimed Germany manufactured the best 19th century products in the world.  This is due to the protectionist economy.  We in the US compete directly with anyone on the globe.
The debt situation is nothing new in the US.  It will always remain.  The world famous British magazine "The Economist" frequently advocates a quicker transition of the EU to a US type economy.  The magazine constantly criticizes the EU for the protectionism and lack of competing stalling any EU growth.  Thor, you should read a little more facts and be less of a political agenda sheep .

This is all thrue. But remember we have different social systems in Europe. In the US you need to buy a health insurance for exsampel, but in Norway and mostly the rest of Europe this threathmendt are more or less free. This costs a lot of money for the govermendt. Taxes in Europe are higher than in the US, you pay less for petrol in the US.

But my country has always been a close allied to the US (together with UK, Norway was USA closes allied within the NATO during the cold war). This days Norway are planing to buy 40 new combat planes. We used to have the F 16 but now we have taken part in developing the new planes in the US by supporting 80 mill dollars or something like that. Some peoples may think that it would be normal for Norway to buy the European figther Eurofigther but it is not, and we will buy the US figther instead. This because we have a close and good relashionship to the US.

[Muj]

Thor,

Seattle to Rio de Janeiro: 6890 miles.

Seattle to Moscow: 5200 miles.

Not so far as SA  .

But distance is not the issue.

[Mir]

Muj

No doubt US industry has its good points that the Europeans should learn.
However it also helps to sell Boeings and F16s when you have the most powerful military machine in the world.

[Muj]

Thor,

I dont argue of social systems or which is better.  Certainly life in Norway is good, as I have visited my relatives there.  Norway proves a good ally.  
I just to understand why some WE men question why Americans or Aussies visit the FSU.  Same reasons as you maybe?  

[Thor]

Thor,

I dont argue of social systems or which is better.  Certainly life in Norway is good, as I have visited my relatives there.  Norway proves a good ally. 
I just to understand why some WE men question why Americans or Aussies visit the FSU.  Same reasons as you maybe? 

Of course they do it because of the same reassons I do. The best girls in the world are in the FSU . I totaly inderstand why they comes here. If I where living in the US I would do the same

[SANDRO43]

Both sides subsidize their aircraft industries differently in ways that show us how their economies and governments operate.  The US provides a lot of indirect aid, the European governments more directly.  Both sides provide infrastructure aid.

Glad for the admission from someone with more inside knowledge, and thank you for sparing me the fairy tale of Big US Business as so many knights in shining armour, fearlessly slaying unethical Europen dragons in the name of free trade, fair competition, superior technology, etc. etc. etc.

Big Business from ANY country has always sought Government support for important deals abroad, at times resorting also to some rather shady machinations, the guiding principle often being "anything's fair in war and trade" .
 
When US companies are defeated by foreign competitors, the final deal often involves re-routing locally parts of the production involved, witness the case of Beretta, and the recent contract for the C-130 successor, to spare hardships for the local labour force.

The nature of Boeing's indirect support give it more freedom to do business.  After 9/11, somewhere on the order of 30,000 workers were laid off from 2001-2005 and company operations were restructured in order to regain competitiveness.  Airbus is trying to enact the Power 8 restructuring to be more competitive, but is running into major political problems. This highlights differences between how the European and American economies operate.

Precisely, European labour laws are not as flexible in the matter of layoffs. To cite a local example, FIAT, a major direct/indirect employer here, for years obtained "understanding" welfare legislation and treatment simply by hinting at their possible need to reduce their labour force at difficult market times. I have been a subsidiser of FIAT for a long time, through my taxes.

But US corporations, too, are understandably not below taking advantage of these situations, when available. After I turned 50, every year my current manager would inform me of the latest IBM early-retirement package offer. I would do a simple calculation of the substantial amount I would have to pay in direct contributions to our National Welfare fund until my official retirement age, and would reply "No, thanks". In early 1998, their new offer included a fundamental novelty: my direct contributions were no longer required, so I said "Yes, please" and resigned. Two weeks later, IBM Italy had "temporary-help wanted" ads in our major newspapers .

[Gator]

Someone high up in the business told me that a significant number of the Airbus components are made by American-owned companies.  And vice versa. 

True?  Or is this just promotional BS to sell Airbus planes to American-owned airlines?

[jb]

Thor,,

If we didn't have a banker in that position, and he is worried,,, we should fire him.  I like worried bankers.  It keeps them on their toes.

If you are worried about Norway's economy, go out and spend some money, spending always helps the economy.  Buy a new car... Buy a new house, Buy something extragavant. 
I suggest you stop worrying about the American economy, it will somehow keep chugging along, we somehow always do, and we seem to lead the world in the process.    (Funnily enough)

I like Europe, but I think you guys always overestimate your capabilities

[Turboguy]

Thor, to answer your question of why men go to the FSU rather than other places they do go other places.  I am not even sure that the FSU is # 1 in the search for a foreign wife.   I would think it is possible more men go to Asia than to the FSU with South America being in the # 3 spot.

I think those of us who choose the FSU over Asia and South America do so for a number of reasons.  One is that the eduction system is much better in the FSU and the women there tend to be more cultured and educated.  I think for many they like the look of the women in the FSU and the appearance of the women is more like the highly desirable but hard to find attractive AW.  

Asian women in the international relationships tend to be mostly from the Philippines and Thailand with a smattering elsewhere.  English there is common.  The girls are mostly high school graduates, very religious, very family oriented and home loving.  Usually small in stature, dark hair and often quite attractive.  I think a lot of the men who search for a wife there are less successful than the ones who look in the FSU but there are many exceptions.  I do think those who look for a subservant wife tend to look more there.  They are often more tolerant of age difference than even the FSU.  Wives 30-50 years younger than their husbands are not uncommon.

South American woman can also be very attractive, some are dark haired and dark complected but many have a European look.  They also are very religious and very family oriented.  Women there tend to be very romantic and passionate.  Fun loving, the culture in Brazil is almost hedonistic.  The education is about on a par with the philippines and English is not common so there can be language problems.  They are a little less tolerant of age differences than the FSU or Asian women.   There are no standout countries for searching but Nicaragua and Columbia seem to have a small lead.

[Gator]

Wives 30-50 years younger than their husbands are not uncommon.

Ste, where are you?  We need you again in this thread.  Since you are not here, and in case someone is encouraged by such a statement, I will repeat what you said on the first page:

What a load of fooking bollocks....

And this time everyone, well almost everyone, would agree. 

[av8or1]

[snip]
My question are: How long do you think this business will survive in FSU?? And why so many men comming here to seek a bride? Why don't the US guys go to Southern America like Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia to look for a bride instead of FSU??

Good question Thor.  The fact is, as others have noted, that many men from America do in fact take their search to those countries.  However, I'll chime in with my reasons why I don't go there, which are the same as others have posted in general, with one exception.  I have been to the FSU 13 times now and I simply adore the women there.  In short, it's an intangible thing with me.  Sure, they are educated (for the most part) and they have more traditional family values (again for the most part).  But there is something about a Russian woman that interests me more than other countries I could visit.  There's something about a Russian woman speaking English with that accent that I have simply come to love, can't explain it, don't care to, it's just there.  So this is my general agreement with the other posts.

Where I will boldly stray from the others is in the following regard.  Now mind you, this may offend some overly-sensitive, absurdly politically-correct ears, but I don't really care.  I intend no offense.  The biggest reason I have not ventured to South America or to an Asian country to search for a potential future partner is that I want a caucasian woman for my wife.  Simple as that.  This narrows the options as you might conclude.  With the EU coming of age, the FSU is really the best option, in my opinion.

So I hope this helps.

Best to all,

Jerry

[Mir]

50 years younger? I guess he means a man of 60 and a girl of 10,
well TG we don't call that marriage, we call it child abuse and it exists but is not common 

[Kuna]

 Wives 30-50 years younger than their husbands are not uncommon.

 

This is only more justifiaction for a 40 year age gap...  GET REAL!

Some men can socially justify a large age gap... others can't.  I'm not saying who's who BUT.... ummmm...  we'll see.

[Turboguy]

Kuna, I am not trying to justify anything.  I have just seen cases where 20-25 year old Filipino women were marrying guys in the 65 to 75 range, lots of cases.  There are of course many cases where there is not a big age difference.  I do think too that a lot of the men that go to Asia in search of their woman are middle class guys with less income than those who go to the the FSU.  I also think there may be a higher rate of spousal abuse with the women from Asia as well and that is the really sad thing.

av8,  OK, you are a racist pig.  I think you are not alone in that boat though.  I think it is often a factor in men choosing to go to the FSU.  I almost said something about that before but I could not put it into politically correct terms. 

Don't make such a big deal about my statement about age differences.  I was just quoting my impression of the facts as I see them.  I am not promoting age difference, recommending it, trying to justify anything or suggesting a place to go for those who seek an age difference.

The reaction to my statement reminds me of something that happened a few decades ago.  People used to think Social Security was solid as a rock and the government was investing all their funds.  The first to break the story that Social Security was not so solvent was for some reason Reader's Digest.  What was the reaction the the article telling the truth about SS.  7000 people protested at the Reader's Digest office.   No one protested at SS.  I am just giving you my impression of the facts as I see them.  I can be wrong and personally I don't have an interest in SA or Asian women to care one way or the other.

[MaxxumUSA]

Where I will boldly stray from the others is in the following regard.  Now mind you, this may offend some overly-sensitive, absurdly politically-correct ears, but I don't really care.  I intend no offense.  The biggest reason I have not ventured to South America or to an Asian country to search for a potential future partner is that I want a caucasian woman for my wife.  Simple as that.  This narrows the options as you might conclude.  With the EU coming of age, the FSU is really the best option, in my opinion.

So I hope this helps.

Best to all,

Jerry

T/G...  I'm sorry...  but I don't find his statement as racist.   Im my opinion...  Racist is someone who dislikes/hates/ridicules/abuses/etc other people based on their race.  I read his post a little different than you I think.  I read this as "his preference for a life partner is the same race as him."  - Which happens to be "white."  But this is his preference, and his right.

Since I was a young boy I have envisioned my own soulmate in my mind.  I did not know many things about her...  I did not even know if I would end up with a soul mate that is my same race.  I am open minded in that regard.  However my PREFERENCE for a life partner has always been a woman of my own race.  It's just there and beyond my control.  Just how I "feel."

[jb]

we call it child abuse and it exists but is not common

No,,, we call it pedophilia in the USA...  It amounts to the same thing.

BTW, when I was single I've never dated outside my race,,, does that make me a racist?

[supranatural]

I have to agree AV is not racist in his comments.  Let me start by stating that I'm Asian and I've dated my fair share of attractive Asian women but 90% of the women I've dated here in the US are Caucasian.  I was raised in schools that were <1% Asian population and so my preference has always been Caucasian women.  Does this mean I'm racist because I have a preference?  I think not.  I have friends of all races including Caucasian, African-American, Latino, Asian, etc.  This does not mean I have to date or marry someone of these races to prove I'm not racist.  For myself I only want to marry a Caucasian woman like my soon-to-be ex-RW wife.  And I love RW, they have something intagible that attracts me to them over women of Asian or Latino descent.

[Turboguy]

Sorry, I should have put a smiley face after the part about AV being a racist pig.  I was just joking about that. 

I would like to add another comment about my previous statement that seemed to stimulate a lot of controversy about the age differences that were acceptable in the Philippines.

On visa journey in the Russian Regional section there is an age difference topic.  Someone from the Philippines stopped in and commented they had one in their section too.   I checked out the age difference topic in the Philippines section a little and will stand by my previous statement.  About 1 in 5 had a sizable age difference with lots of 55 year old guys having 19 year old fiancees. 

[Gator]

I think T/G was joking with his racist comment.

JB, you and I grew up in an era and locale where it was culturally not possible to date someone black or brown or yellow.   Heck, it was physically impossible for me because I never saw two of those colors during my Southern childhood.