Acceptable Behaviour and Trip Reports

[Kuna]

After reading parts of Pike's TR on his sex tour of FSU I remain troubled that it has been allowed to be posted in a forum where responses and opinions can't be added.

My main concern is that it will appear to future members that we as a community endorse such behaviour and that future trips like that will be accepted as the norm.

Maybe it's me... Maybe I'm a prude... Maybe I'm the only one here that thinks that type of trip and Trip Report is inappropriate.

Where does everyone else stand on that sort of crap?

[jb]

If that's the definition of a "Prude", then I'm with you.  Pike went on my ignore list quite sometime ago because I found I was sickened by his antics.  He will not go down in the history of the RWD as one of the good guys.

[Gator]

(moved from another thread)

I read about 50% of Pike’s report.  Some of it was interesting.  Nevertheless, Pike’s report tarnishes the image of RW and cheapens what most of us are attempting to do.   It passively encourages other men to do the same.
 
So why should it stay?  The only reason I can think of is that censorship is bad.  Nevertheless, I will attempt to be the devil’s advocate, but my heart is not in it. 

In Pike’s defense, we do not know if he fed lines of BS to his RW, so perhaps his dates willingly and knowingly crawled into his bed without his explicit discussion of possible marriage.  Sorry Batman, there are some slutty women in Russia just as there are in America.   

The important point is even if Pike did not discuss marriage, a Western man dating a RW does indeed convey the hope for marriage.  Thus, he and any other man is in a position to take advantage of a woman.

So stories such as Pike’s do happen, but to write about it is to brag about it.  And that is when it becomes sex tourism, something that RWD should not condone.
   
Gee, I am making a terrible devil’s advocate.
 
A goal for open journalism says perhaps the report should stay, but certainly not in the isolated bubble that it now enjoys.  If it stays, comments should be allowed at its conclusion.  And the header for this type of report should be changed to something that expresses disapproval.
 
Does anyone other than me think Pike could be Albert?  Albert discussed sex acts while Pike fortunately saves us from such.  So maybe Albert has changed his tune.  Like Albert, Pike goes on long business trips and uses those opportunities to meet and bed many RW.

So Kuna, can you modify your choices: 1) keep with no debate, 2) keep with debate, and 3) delete/disallow.

[I/O]

If that's the definition of a "Prude", then I'm with you. 

Make that three...!!!  I simply found the whole thing revolting and yes I made my feelings very plain to those who run the show here.  Very plain.  I read a couple of posts of that report and I left it wondering if it was reality or whether it was a case of some fool dreaming and involving far more of his hand and a picture book than real women.  Who knows, I've never been back to read any more and I don't care to.

The adage, "An empty barrel makes the loudest noise" kinda sprung to mind.

I/O

[ScottinCrimea]

Any man with any class at all would never post such a trip report.  And any forum with class would be reluctant to allow them on its site because it cheapens it.  Heck, If I wanted to read that type of garbage I would go somewhere that included pictures!

I understand the issues of censorship and the difficulties of knowing where to draw the line, but I think we all know it when we see it.  I don't think any TR should be allowed to be posted without the chance to respond to it.  In this case there were enough comments on his original thread that he threatened to stop posting.  The board was essentially policing itself.  It was a mistake to circumvent this by allowing him a new thread without comments. Perhaps in those cases where there are enough concerns expressed by the members, a vote should be taken to decide whether to stop the thread or delete it entirely.

[Jazzyclassy]

After reading parts of Pike's TR on his sex tour of FSU I remain troubled that it has been allowed to be posted in a forum where responses and opinions can't be added.

My main concern is that it will appear to future members that we as a community endorse such behaviour and that future trips like that will be accepted as the norm.

Maybe it's me... Maybe I'm a prude... Maybe I'm the only one here that thinks that type of trip and Trip Report is inappropriate.

Where does everyone else stand on that sort of crap?

Kuna it is not  only you 

I agree completely

[philb]

I read the first post or two and haven't looked at it since.  

[batman]

Gator,

I understand your comments about censorship.

I don't see how "freedom of Speech" or "Journalist freedoms" would apply. Is this a discussion for "What Sh*t I pulled in FSU"?

Perhaps that would allow stories of "How many 'Pros' I bonked in one night in Keiv" or "How to Pervert little Russian boys" etc. etc.

It's just Sex Tourism plain and simple. I don't think this is what this forum is about???

 

[BC]

I voted to keep it..  read a bit, got bored a long time ago and stopped.

IIRC Didn't see anything I would consider close to being pornographic or objectionable material, certainly a few notches down from Albert's report and quite close to what I remember from Anono's reports - and they are still in the archive somewhere..

Remember we represent a very small slice of RW seekers, mostly those that enjoy the 'flavor' offered by members here.  Should we exclude the other 99% from being able to post here?..  At least it's material we can use for comparative purposes... or maybe a 'reality check'.

I've read some tour/social TR's in the past and they didn't seem that different from this one.

[Jack]

I personally thought the report was in bad taste. Like others I read the first few post's and said "Nope, not my cup of tea."  I found the few post's I read to be offensive and as someone else mentioned thought it also tarnished RWD just a little.

But I as an individual I "elected" not to read this trip report. I suspect other grown and mature individuals can also decide if they want to read such a report or not.  I'm not going to moan and complain about the report, just not read it.

I have never read any type trip report before on the RWD that even comes close to this one.

[philb]

Part of the problem is that no responses are allowed to this report.  The lack of responses could give a newbie/casual observer the impression that this type of trip is the norm and/or condoned by the general board membership.

[BC]

I have never read any type trip report before on the RWD that even comes close to this one.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=504.msg8901;topicseen#msg8901

[Jack]

BC let me repeat for you "I have never read any type trip report before on the RWD that even comes close to this one".

Just as I elected to not read Pike's trip report, I also did not care to waste my time reading Albert's trip reports. I have better things to do with my time then to read about these type trips. It is these type trip reports that are continually thrown in my face as being "typical" trips which I of course strongly disagree with. These reports are "the exceptions not the norm" in not only my opinion but also from known experience of others.

[BC]

BC let me repeat for you "I have never read any type trip report before on the RWD that even comes close to this one".

Jack,

Really..

Considering your offer of assistance to Albert for his ventures, I find it a bit questionable that you would not be interested in the results..

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=253.msg3301#msg3301

[Jack]

Oh my God, what a  f _ _ _ ing  i _ _ _ t !!     

(Dan and Jet should be happy with me)



BC, On March 10 2005, a member, Albert, asked for information with regards to transportation and local ex-pats in the city of Odessa.  One and one half hours after this request was made I wrote this guy and told him if he would PM me I could offer him some information with regards to ex-pats.


Two months later, sometime during the middle of May 2005, Albert started writing of his report.  Just as with Pike, after reading one or two post's I know what type of post's I am not interested in reading.


Let me repeat for you now for the third time,......"I have never read any type trip report before on the RWD that even comes close to this one."

...which shows him to be the dimwit he is...
   
 

Jet, maybe, just maybe, it's a little more clear to you now? 

[ScottinCrimea]

Just out of curiousity I compared Pike's reports to Alberts, and there is no doubt in my mind, based on the vocabulary and writing style, that they are one and the same.

Electing to just ignore such a post instead of commenting on it is a head in the sand attitude.  If some guy poops in my yard, I can elect to ignore him, but the smell stays and those walking by will assume it's coming from me.

[William3rd]

So you are saying that Puke and Albert are one and the same? I thought Puke was an Albert on steroids or a seriously deluded narcissistic old man with sexual problems.

[ecr844]

So you are saying that Puke and Albert are one and the same? I thought Puke was an Albert on steroids or a seriously deluded narcissistic old man with sexual problems.

Tough Crowd.....
Tough Crowd.....

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there

[ScottinCrimea]

So you are saying that Puke and Albert are one and the same? I thought Puke was an Albert on steroids or a seriously deluded narcissistic old man with sexual problems.

More like an Albert who discovered Viagra.  The problem is that all it did was make him taller.

[BC]

Electing to just ignore such a post instead of commenting on it is a head in the sand attitude.  If some guy poops in my yard, I can elect to ignore him, but the smell stays and those walking by will assume it's coming from me.

I think I see your point Scott, and that 'smell', whether real or not unfortunately comes with the territory.  When I first mentioned I had a RU GF to my mom the first question was 'Is she one of those mail order brides?".  Such questions did not arise with my German or Italian GF's.  With several thousand agency  sites promoting, insinuating or otherwise providing the 'spark' for the type of behaviour we see reported in these TR's it's really no wonder..

Maybe this is why I so often object to sexualization, esp. visual, of RW on board, even when facing (albeit limited) ridicule.  By ignoring the results we will never begin to address the cause.

[Gator]

If some guy poops in my yard, I can elect to ignore him, but the smell stays and those walking by will assume it's coming from me.

Good analogy.  But be careful with those words, because it makes you sound as if "you do not have an active sex life."

That is exactly what Pike wrote when we were criticizing him about some sex tourist questions he asked when planning this sex trip.   And that is the same reactionary style that Albert would use when he received criticism. 

So I agree with you Scott.  Folks, the true identity of this man is probably Pikealbert.  In fact I said it early in this thread.

Does anyone other than me think Pike could be Albert?  Albert discussed sex acts while Pike fortunately saves us from such.  So maybe Albert has changed his tune.  Like Albert, Pike goes on long business trips and uses those opportunities to meet and bed many RW.

[Turkey]

I don't think that censorship is bad.  The reality is that everything is censored.  As a society we limit what people can say such as not being able to scream "fire" and such.  The question is where and to what extent (ok it's two questions ).

This is a free association.  As such the owners of the site have a responsibility to control the conversation.  This means to uphold the Terms of Service and affecting the communication by the means that they feel is appropriate. 

If the site allows nearly unlimited leeway then I fear that it will become like other sites.  I have read a few other forums and found that the 'class' of people were not what I wanted to associate with.  I found this site and felt that it was more conducive to my educational experience.  Birds of a Feather and all that.

Ultimately the choice belongs to the owners.  But my vote is that if one wants to keep this a respectable forum where people with honest intentions will gather, then one needs to use reasonable means to ensure that the communication on this site reflects it.

[tim 360]

By allowing Pike to post his stuff devoid of member comment or input could give one the wrong idea about this board.  And it's members and purpose.  Like that its an info board for sex tourists to tout their conquests.  It serves no ones interest save Pike's ego to keep it around for future readers.

Press "delete".

ps: I just had mentioned this on a previous thread and then found the poll.  I voted.  Excuse my double post.  tim360

[BillyB]

As much as we talk about about our disproval of Pikes trip report, nobody is going to think this forum is based on guys like Pike. I don't mind his trip report staying. It's times like this where we could see what side of the fence everybody is on. A newbie needs to understand there are all type of guys going to the FSU and self evaluate where he stands and how he is to represent himself and his fellow man.

I've gone round and round with Albert a few times but not because he talks about the women he f@cked but because of the person he is.

Pike seems more conservative compared to Albert. I remember Albert talking about women squirting when having their orgasm and having phone sex with other women. Pike is not as graphic.

As long as Albert and Pike are willing to visit women who are attracted to their style, such as willing participants in phone sex, then I have no problem with that because they're not going to hurt the feelings of the women I run with.

Pike had a number of women willing to sleep in his apartment without ever meeting him and some were willing to spread their legs for him on the first night. It's seems to me, through correspondence, he decided to meet women possibly willing to jump in bed with a stranger as fast as he would. These women were mostly in their 40's. They knew Pike was in town for weeks yet he had only a few days to meet him. They know whats going on and they know they're not the only woman he's seeing. Regardless, some of these women opened their legs for him anyway, including the married woman.

[Dan C.]

  Initially I voted no without much though, then I changed it to a yes after reading the posts and thinking a bit more.  Why did I change?  Pike can do what he wants.  However, this forum is a community of sorts, and as such we have to be able to police it to some degree.  If people can post stuff without comment, it is not good for the community as a whole. 
  I notice Pike seems to be the only person who has taken advantage of the feature, so the damage is very limited.