Acceptable Behaviour and Trip Reports

[batman]

Mir,

As Kuna might say... give yourself a flying summersult kick followed up by many uppercuts and finished off with a elbow to the head for that comment. LOL
 

I can't believe I un-ignored you for that comment. I should have known better .
 

[KenC]

It's ok for him to do it but not ok for the women? How stuck up and arrogant is that? Give me a break Ken. I actually can't believe you are defending this guy and his actions. What does your wife think?

Batman,
Don't get your tights in a wad about this, OK?  This is how I look at things:
Pike, a single and eligible man, traveled to Russia and met some women he had come to know via the Net on a dating site. He made no unreasonable promise of marriage to any of them.  He met them.  Some he liked and some he didn't like.  He had sex with some of them and didn't have sex with some he didn't like.

Where is the harm and where is the foul?
KenC

[batman]

As above

[batman]

Ask your wife or any decent Russian women... she'll tell you.

[Mir]

Great I am in joint first position and on ignore of 4 people.

No idea who this batgay is though?

[KenC]

Ask your wife or any decent Russian women... she'll tell you.

Batman,
So it is your position that decent RW will not have premarital sex?

 
KenC

[Mir]

Damn it Jb is back in first position.
Currant points table is (each ignore is worth one point):

Jb          5
Mir         4
Daveman 3

[Gator]

Mir, I think Batman is making a move to come from nowhere to take the lead  (I have never ignored anyone).

[batman]

Ken,

I wasn't even slightly saying that and you know it.

He was treating women in a way he himself did not like being treated. I'm sorry but I can't get any more black and white than that. Any society, any group cannot run away from that simple principle.

I have no problem with premartial sex when it is done with decency. There is nothing decent about his trip or his actions at all.

[batman]

Gator,

Are you trying to make me un-ignore Mir again, LOL

[KenC]

Ken,

I wasn't even slightly saying that and you know it.

He was treating women in a way he himself did not like being treated. I'm sorry but I can't get any more black and white than that. Any society, any group cannot run away from that simple principle.

I have no problem with premartial sex when it is done with decency. There is nothing decent about his trip or his actions at all.

Batman,
I see by your profile stats on the side that you have never been to Russia.  My advice to you is to stay home and never go.  Your Puritanical outlook will not be widely accepted there.
KenC

[batman]

Batman,
I see by your profile stats on the side that you have never been to Russia.  My advice to you is to stay home and never go.  Your Puritanical outlook will not be widely accepted there.
KenC

Won't be widely accepted by the men or the women?

Each Russian Women who responded on this forum has voiced their disapproval of this kind of action. Don't worry, I won't be hanging out with S.R.Ms, the mafia and sex tourists.

[batman]

Very funny admin for changing my words
 
But that is cheating you know.

[KenC]

Won't be widely accepted by the men or the women?

Each Russian Women who responded on this forum has voiced their disapproval of this kind of action. Don't worry, I won't be hanging out with My Mother Dropped Me on My Head!s, the mafia and sex tourists.

Hey Batman,
Ever heard of "casual sex"?  (It hit America in the 60's.)  You had better read up on the subject because you seemed to have missed the concept.

Go back and ask those RW if they ever had premarital sex.  If the answer is yes (as I am sure it is) then it is all a matter of personal choice as to when the premarital sex is acceptable or not.

I met a ton of AW via the Net when I was single.  Now I admit they were mostly one on one encounters, but individually I did not see much difference in them from the RW Pike met.  I didn't promise them marriage or flaunt my wealth (or hide it either) and I got a lot of offers for sex.  I see nothing wrong with what I did or what Pike did.  Casual (and safe sex) between two consenting adults is just fine by me.
KenC

[Mir]

Mir, I think Batman is making a move to come from nowhere to take the lead  (I have never ignored anyone).

Me neither, but looks like you are going to make an exception?

[KenC]

Batman,
OOPS, I see now you're an Aussie.  Maybe casual sex has not yet hit downunder?
KenC

[batman]

Hey Batman,
Ever heard of "casual sex"?  (It hit America in the 60's.)  You had better read up on the subject because you seemed to have missed the concept.

Go back and ask those RW if they ever had premarital sex.  If the answer is yes (as I am sure it is) then it is all a matter of personal choice as to when the premarital sex is acceptable or not.

I met a ton of AW via the Net when I was single.  Now I admit they were mostly one on one encounters, but individually I did not see much difference in them from the RW Pike met.  I didn't promise them marriage or flaunt my wealth (or hide it either) and I got a lot of offers for sex.  I see nothing wrong with what I did or what Pike did.  Casual (and safe sex) between two consenting adults is just fine by me.
KenC

I understand where you are coming from Ken. Casual sex not the issue here. Most of us have done it at some point (not me personally but almost). Doesn't make it right. But not even the issue here. Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner Casual sex in FSU is a bit different. Smells like Sex Tourism to me.

[KenC]

I understand where you are coming from Ken. Casual sex not the issue here. Most of us have done it at some point (not me personally but almost). Doesn't make it right. But not even the issue here. Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner Casual sex in FSU is a bit different. Smells like Sex Tourism to me.

Whew! Batman,
You almost had an outbreak of being human!  This reminds me of the old joke when a guy asks a girl if she will sleep with him for a million dollars and she says yes.  He then asks her if she would sleep with him for 5 dollars.  She responds with "what do you think I am, a whore?"  He says, "We have already established that fact, now we are just negotiating price."

To tell you the truth, Batman, I find your behavior much more revolting than Pikes.  He isn't imposing his morals (or lack there of) on anyone else like you are doing.  Who are you to look down your nose and impose your sense of morality on others?  Do you still paint a big red "A" on women where you're from?
KenC

[batman]

Batman,
OOPS, I see now you're an Aussie.  Maybe casual sex has not yet hit downunder?
KenC

Come on Ken, since when did new fads that come along make it right? People were taking LSD in the 60's too.

Listen, It's cool. You like casual sex. fine. I don't. fine. let's end it here. You don't have to defend yourself. And neither do I. Let's just end the "Who's right" argument here.

[acrzybear]

To tell you the truth, Batman, I find your behavior much more revolting than Pikes.  He isn't imposing his morals (or lack there of) on anyone else like you are doing.  Who are you to look down your nose and impose your sense of morality on others?  Do you still paint a big red "A" on women where you're from?
KenC

No big red A's, he just makes them cover themselves from head to toe before they go out in public so no features can be seen.

[BC]

KenC,

I figure you may be feeling a bit like the Lone Ranger, but you are not alone.

Just ain't that much more than I can add to your posts.  Keep right on truckin.

Cheers.

[Turboguy]

VWRW and I are sitting in Grenada catching up on the threads.   We discussed Pike and his TR a little.  Her feelings are that many of the older women he is visiting have very little opportunity for sex or romance in their lives and if he is making them happy and not hurting them in any way then he is doing no harm.   I am not saying that we care to hear about this kind of behaviour or that is is appropriate for RWD where most of us look for a lifetime of love not a night of Ecstasy.   Of course perhaps he will end up with a keeper and that would be more in tune with the rest of the RWD community.   Someone said earlier that none of the women from the FSU approve of his reactions and I think that is not the case.

[Sohkay]

batlad,
You wrote, "Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner Casual sex in FSU is a bit different."

How do you know what is or isn't a bit different in the FSU? You've never been there. I don't care if you've dated Russian women in your country, or had a good buddy that took a trip, you're still wet behind the ears in this process, so stop talking like you know how things "are". You don't  really know until you've been there, spent time there, met with people there.

You make yourself sound ignorant by attempting to talk authoritatively on subjects with which you have no experience.

[Kuna]

For F's sake.. this isn't about casual sex...

Yeah Ken... we have that here too...  we have a lot of things that are "BIG" in the US like television, prostitution and drug addiction.

We've even got paedophiles!

In fact there is some US servicemen in Oz at the moment for some war games and one was arrested yesterday for contacting and trying to arrange sex with a 14 year old over the internet.  Of course... some old men do get their sexual thrills from young girls and she was probably a slut anyway huh!

Anyway...  your defense of Pike and his actions might be because you couldn't be bothered reading his trip report before sprouting  off... Before you comment I suggest you READ in future.

His comments about his insecurity over this woman potentially another man might be tongue in cheek in your mind huh??  So this is why he moaned on about it for several posts and was finally relieved when it turned out not to be another man.

Here's a quote from Pike:

This is not a wife hunting trip.  I am here on business for 6 weeks.  I like women.  I date women everywhere.  There just happen to be more available here in FSU than most everywhere else.

Wow... the guy starts to be honest early in his TR.  He's not hunting a wife...  He's there for fun... Good on him!  

Why then is he so impotent that he needed to use marriage and ENGLISH LANGUAGE dating site to find his victims?  I'll tell you why... Because he is incapable of getting a root in a whorehouse out in the real world.

He's a predator...  be $#@&ing honest and if you're in favour of predators be honest about that too!

He tried to use money early in his trip to seduce the women and he discovered that doesn't work.

There's no doubt in my mind he deceived and lied to the women... Some men just don't have what it takes.  Some men will defend those types.

I think his TR should stay but only if he has the guts to respond.  You might have noticed that "Nancy" hasn't been here for a while.  He comes in to research his sex trip... goes to FSU and brags and lies about his activities and now he's back he'll spent his time spanking the monkey over his videos of 16 yr old girls...

I know one result of this whole escapade.  I'll be MUCH less willing to help newbies with travel advice and information.  Why give the predators the tools they need to exploit the women we supposedly respect so much?

In closing.. there's only one way to work out what the %$#@ happened.

Wouldn't it be great if we could hear directly from these women... Maybe a visit to Antidate might help us find them???

Guaranteed, this guy is a sex tourist - and in my mind he's much worse than a sex tourist using hookers.  Leave his report here as a warning to all of the women who get involved in this pursuit and as a guidebook to the other predators for all that I care but please don't ask me to be a part of a community that endorses sex tourism by not allowing fair and open debate.

I'm absolutely disgusted!

[KenC]

I don't think the members here read Pike's TR with an open mind.  They were turned off by his style of telling a bit too much and put off by the fact that he did have sex with multiple partners to be objective.  What Pike did was compact months of dating into a few weeks.  He planned well and organized his time to meet the maximum number of women.  Because marriage was not his main goal, this is some how despicable behavior.  Sorry, but I do not see it that way at all.  It seems as though his goal was to meet many RW that he was interested in and see what happened.  Well, some sex did happen.  So what?  I guess Batman is the only person here that never had premarital sex before.  As I said before, casual (and safe sex) between two consenting adults is fine by me.
KenC