Acceptable Behaviour and Trip Reports

[Turboguy]

PS to Kuna- I seriously recommend an anger management class before your fiancee arrives.

Ken, you are a little slow with that conclusion.   I said the exact same words about two weeks ago.   I am not saying this to be negative towards Kuna but I really do think he has some issues he needs to deal with to have a successful relationship with his gal and I would like to see it work.

I have a lot of respect for both Scott and KenC.  I think this whole thing has been blown our of proportion.   I think people are now insulting each other because they were insulted and the real argument has gotten lost in the heat of the battle.   

There have been worse things on RWD.  Pikes escapades one way or the other are not worth all the hard feelings and anger that they have caused.   Who cares really.  RWD will be fine with or without it and if there should be posts in a TR without comment is something that can be settled calmly.   I think everyone needs to take a few deep breaths and decide it is not worth trying to one up the other on insults.   

[batman]

The social veneer has been removed. I think we have all learnt about each others characters through this thread.

It is all very well to speak of "being civilized" and "uninhibited" and "understanding"; no talk will mend ruined lives.

And if you want to know why some of us get upset over this subject it's that some of us actually care about others and expect those around us to do the same.

Enough said about our characters. It's already apparent. Let's just get on with helping others in the endeavour of Marriage with FSUW 

It will be good to get the Mission statement and TOS clarified. So we know what group we belong to.

[BillyB]

If RWD exists to give advice and support to men that are planning casual sex tours of FSU, then I can't remain a member here out of respect for My Girl and her country. 

Kuna, you've been here long enough to know what RWD is about.

Also, people have spoken up and said they don't approve of Pike but voted in the option that said Pike's trip report was appropriate because they were voting for something else. It's a fact most members here will never do a Pike style trip.

If some members feel they have something of value to offer and walk away from the very people they think need this, then I for one will not miss them in their selfish act. There are young men in this world under fire with their life on the line who do not walk away from the great responsibility of a cause greater than themself.

[CaptB]

Whoops........sorry. I was hoping the bathroom would be unoccupied by now. Guess I'll go down to the corner gas station.............................I sure can't hold it for another 5 days.

 


Capt B


P.S. My Daddy can whip.......your daddy. 

[Donhollio]

The more I read RWD and RWA  the more I wonder what the hell kind of crowd hangs out here.  Some of you guys must have a problem getting laid in your backyard,if you think Pike's a sex tourist. Forgive me,but don't sex tourist's PAY for screwing a hooker ?
 I never read anywhere that he paid them to put out.

 Some of you guys go on about how disgusting and bla bla bla..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Get a grip,he never forced these women to be with him, just because some of you go over and couldn't get laid unless you were willing to part with some cash,you think he's the parasite of WM meeting FSUW.
  Don't be worried about the outside world dropping in and thinking were all the same as Pike.  27 pages of debate on some guys holiday behavior I think stands to say enough on us guys. After all, the outsiders will see old guys with girls young enough to be their daughters. Just wait & see what would happen if the old boys lost their wealth,or the wife wanted a child one day.
Do yourselves a favor and just worry about yourself.

 So if he was *snip*ing some women in his city, using the same style as he did in Dnepropetrovsk,would he still be the piece of *snip* you want to make him out to be ?
No most likely some of you My Mother Dropped Me on My Head!'s would be buying him beers in the pub trying to figure out his style.

 I bet the ones most critical of him are the same guys who "act"  all chivalrous IE: standing up when she is about to sit.  There so worried to upset her that they'll do whatever to try and convince her to stay.

 I go to the FSU and get laid, so am I a sex tourist ? Or am I a guy who knows how to charm a girl out of her pants ?
 No in many of your eyes I'm a piece of *snip* making your connection with a girl all the tougher.  Try to remember the women stayed with him because they wanted to *snip* him.
Next time your there,why not just ask her up to your pad and see what happens. Or do some of you need tips as to when she's ready ?

What the *snip* ! My words are deleted ? Dropped me on my head ???  Smooth was right !  Oh wait I'll re edit my post.



The more I read RWD and RWA  the more I wonder what the hell kind of crowd hangs out here.  Some of you guys must have a problem getting laid in your backyard,if you think Pike's a sex tourist. Forgive me,but don't sex tourist's PAY for screwing a hooker ?
 I never read anywhere that he paid them to put out.

 Some of you guys go on about how disgusting and bla bla bla..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Get a grip,he never forced these women to be with him, just because some of you go over and couldn't get laid unless you were willing to part with some cash,you think he's the parasite of WM meeting FSUW.
  Don't be worried about the outside world dropping in and thinking were all the same as Pike.  27 pages of debate on some guys holiday behavior I think stands to say enough on us guys. After all, the outsiders will see old guys with girls young enough to be their daughters. Just wait & see what would happen if the old boys lost their wealth,or the wife wanted a child one day.
Do yourselves a favor and just worry about yourself.

 So if he was having "sexual intercourse" with some women in his city, using the same style as he did in Dnepropetrovsk,would he still be the piece of ship you want to make him out to be ?
No most likely some of you 2nd rate muthas would be buying him beers in the pub trying to figure out his style.

 I bet the ones most critical of him are the same guys who "act"  all chivalrous IE: standing up when she is about to sit.  There so worried to upset her that they'll do whatever to try and convince her to stay.

 I go to the FSU and get laid, so am I a sex tourist ? Or am I a guy who knows how to charm a girl out of her pants ?
 No in many of your eyes I'm a piece of ship making your connection with a girl all the tougher.  Try to remember the women stayed with him because they wanted to fuk him.
Next time your there,why not just ask her up to your pad and see what happens. Or do some of you need tips as to when she's ready ?

[William3rd]

If you dont like it here then go back to wherever you came from- and dont come back. You can stay where you feel more comfortable

As far as you being a sex tourist, after reading your various posts, I think dork would be a more appropriate term.

[Donhollio]

Wow such strong language,  sorry if I hit a sore spot for you. 

[Bruno]

You must have a good reason if a man of your standing and enormous wealth had to resort to those poor impoverished girls instead of finding someone just as "freakishly compatible" at home?

I think that nobody can say that KenC is a friend of mine... so, i am not defending him...

Kuna, you say that you case is different, that you have choose to seek a FSU lady due to your FSU root... So is it for KenC... if i good remember, he have say several time that he was with some FSU blood... So, his reason can be similar to you...

And about supporting sex tourist.... if i good remember, before your first trip, you was with a potential girlfriend home... once on the trip in Ukraine, you have meet your actual girlfriend but you have feel the need to test a other lady... not very far of what you call yourself a sex tourist... in my own case, i can proudly say that i have always visit only one lady... in one case, a second lady was involved AFTER the relation with the first one was a misluck...

Sorry Kuna, your behaviour was not very different that these of Spike... yes, it was only visiting 3 and seing two... simply a difference in number with Spike... and you are giving lesson of morale here !!!

PS: if you don't like what i have wrote now, you can always make like the previous time... just post some insult who prove that you are short in argument !!!

[Jazzyclassy]

Guys you will never be able to like all the members here and they wont be able to like you all -cos we are all different ,well maybe with time or something you can tolerate everybody , but you are all part of this forum , you need to respect each other , finally stop this dirty scandalicious  talk , I noticed if the guys were russian they would stop arguing by now ,someone would have stepped back and offer peace...... but these guys are tough ones......


I am tired of these recent threads , I love this forum but I need a break , am going on holidays

poka guys and girls:)

special thanks  and best regards to Makkin:) and Sandro :)they were the ones whom I never seen arguing and calling names all the time and of course I forgot MammaD

 

[Mir]

JC

Have a nice time

[Jazzyclassy]

Thank you Mirushka:)

[SANDRO43]

special thanks  and best regards to Makkin:) and Sandro :)they were the ones whom I never seen arguing and calling names all the time

At my advanced age, it's a hard job keeping all those names and nicks straight. BTW, who's Sandro ? Ah yes, I just remembered .

Have fun, JC, and give us a T/R, preferably unlike Pike's, lest RWD runs out of server disk space .

[Turboguy]

Bruno, great post, you nailed a couple of things right on the head with that.  Jazzy, have a nice vacation.   Personally Jazzy, I like everyone here I just worry about some of them like Kuna.   I don't even dislike pike.  I think the only one I ever met on any forum that I disliked was Smooth from RWG.

I don't see Pike as being much different from most guys.   I dated some gals in the USA in the past where I never even thought about marrying them but I enjoyed their company and thought they were nice and probably hoped sometime I might get lucky but I don't think that made me a sex tourist or any different from a million other guys.  

Pike said, maybe if he met the right one she would be a keeper so he was not only looking for sex and any deceptions he did are only in our guesses and imagination and not in his TR.   I hope we can argue about pike and not each other.  You are all a bunch of good guys who should not let Pike cause problems between us.  We are a community out to help each other.   Don't forget that.

[Wayne B]

Jazzy, good post and a very good point to all of the arguing.... Jazzy, have a wonderful 'Holiday's'

[catzenmouse]

And if you want to know why some of us get upset over this subject it's that some of us actually care about others and expect those around us to do the same.

Dude,

 Yes, we spend so much time here because we don't care about anybody but ourselves. We're not here to help anyone out. We're not here to do anything but stroke our puffed up ego's. Yeah.... Right....

 For someone so new to this community you sure have taken on the Cape of Moral High Ground quite quickly.

It will be good to get the Mission statement and TOS clarified. So we know what group we belong to.

 It is the same forum you joined when you "Accepted" the TOS as it is. Was it so unclear to begin with? Did someone have to explain it to you? Have you made any suggestions to Dan about what might be unclear?

 Or, more likely, are you just looking down on us thinking that us poor uncivilized barbarians would be so much better off if we only could see the light and think like you do?

FWIW or perhaps "Whatever"

Ken

[TigerPaws]

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mir,

Let me ask you this..  

1. What proportion of men do you think are heading to FSU simply for the physcial upgrade they can get compared to their capabilities at home? Who cares? I did and so did many others, big deal, damn get a life.

2. Do you think men (and the marriages) would be more successful if they could look past the girls physical appearance/age/etc and take enough time to understand who they are about to marry? Who cares, a man can have both all he has to do is look for it in a lady, great looks, intellegence a great personality are all possible it is simply up to the man to make the right choices from the available pool of ladies.

We know some old men can sustain a marriage with a young girl for 5 years or so but how likely is it that a high proportion of men can have such "dumb luck". My lady and I have a 19 year age difference and we are doing fine. Dumb luck
? No hard work on the part of both of us.

Personally, I would have never considered a relationship wtih a girl that was simply too young to even have an education but others will pass it off as a unique situation.  A girl so young isn't even mature yet... how could she know what she wnts? While age has some factor I have met a large number of people in the 40's, 50's and beyond who do not know what they want so what is the big deal?

 I know some men are simply looking for a "looks" upgrade... but I wonder how many get terrible surprises when they discover that looks aren't everything. So what is wrong with wanting a trophy wife or as you say a looks upgrade? Sure looks are not everything but ugly still goes clear to the bone.

It's like most men are either blinded by the agency marketing OR spending most of their time trying to justify why they're different.

If relationships fail at home because of communication and personality problems why will a relationship with a"hot girl" be any more successful than a man's last divorce? Why relationships work or fail very complicated, far more complex than it is possible to discuss in any forum. 

TigerPaws
Aboard SeaQuest OE
Docked at Pardise Island, Bahamas

[Mir]

Catz

I would have wanted to tell the same to Batgay but since he has me on ignore I am glad that you did

[Turboguy]

Nice post TigerPaws.   I think sometimes we give too much weight to the specifics of relationships and not enough to the character, personalities and motivations of the people involved.   I have to agree with you, there is nothing wrong with anything that works and brings happiness to the people involved.  I have to agree too that work is the key.  If both will work to make a relationship succeed it has hopes. 

Turboguy,
Sitting dockside in his own island paradise a few islands south of TigerPaws

[TigerPaws]

Well why are the ones looking for foregine marrige not looking in Sweden,Italy,Ireland,Austria or France?

Mir,

For me and the other men I know the main reason for looking to the FSU was/is because you go hunting where the game is pleantful like the FSU. It is simple go where the ladies are.

TigerPaws

[TigerPaws]

Back to the original thread, I did find the trip report somewhat distrubing but not so much that I would like to see it removed, yes it was borderline but as Dan said so far nothing has truly crossed the line.

As for the gentleman being a sex tourest, maybe but I am not willing t make that judgement call, hells bells some of my antics could be classified in that light so I will not be one to call the kettle black.

TigerPaws

[Bruno]

Bruno, great post, you nailed a couple of things right on the head with that.

Nope, it wasn't a great post but a low attack... it was simply for show that these who claim to be the gardian of the morale are not always fully clean... and in any case, a opinion stay a opinion, it is personal and it is not needed to try imposse it to the other...

I like everyone here I just worry about some of them like Kuna.

I don't worry about him... from the begin he have post here to now, only two time he have become extreme... if he was a woman, i will think that he is in his "red" periode... the problem is not with what Kuna think, with what Spike have make, with the opinion of other... but about the way we fight for try to prove that only our opinion is the right one...

Is it moraly wrong to fµck several women ? For our morale point of view, maybe... but at the world level ??? ... By example, you have 20.28% of Muslim in the world... the religion allow to marry several women and , of course, to fµck them...

Yes, Christian are 33.06%... seem that we are more... but some christian religions allow several wife too...

And you can add all the African with several wife who are not taken in the official religions...

A lot of people on these earth allow to date, fµck several women, and marry several women... Are they wrong ?

Maybe some like Kuna need to read the wikipedia page about "morality relativism"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism
"In philosophy, moral relativism is the position that moral or ethical propositions do not reflect objective and/or universal moral truths, but instead make claims relative to social, cultural, historical or personal circumstances. "

[TigerPaws]

Maybe I can shed some light on the possibilities for quick and casual sexual encounters available to men who are looking for that sort of thing.

We were in Saransk not long ago (a 12 hour train ride east of Moscow), while it is not a large city it has well over 100,000 people and many, many women over 35 are single. While I can not say for certain what the percentage is there is little question it is well over 50% and these women are lonely, very lonely. If a man was so inclined and adventurous enough he could easily find all of the quick one night encounters he wanted for as long as he wanted to stay.

The same could be said for Perm and several other cities we were in while visiting my ladies family and friends.

While I will not comment on the morality of someone who may engage in this type of conduct it is by no means harmful to either party as they are both consenting adults and what they do is not mine or anyone else's to question.

Would it be sex tourism? Maybe so what is the harm if everyone is an adult especially if the consenting people are over 35 years old? 

TigerPaws
Aboard SeaQuest OE
Docked at Paradise Island, Bahamas

[batman]

Survey Results

No, the trip wasn't conducted in an appropriate manner and it shouldn't have been posted without the opportunity for debate  27 (50.9%)

Yes, the trip was appropriate and I have no problem with such trip reports being posted without the opportunity for comment or debate.  26 (49.1%)
 
Total Voters: 53

[TigerPaws]

batman,

And you point is what?

TigerPaws
Aboard SeaQuest OE
Docked at Paradise Island, Bahamas

[BC]

Survey Results

No, the trip wasn't conducted in an appropriate manner and it shouldn't have been posted without the opportunity for debate  27 (50.9%)

Yes, the trip was appropriate and I have no problem with such trip reports being posted without the opportunity for comment or debate.  26 (49.1%)
 
Total Voters: 53

I vote for a recount!!!!