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Re: VISITING ONE versus VISITING MANY
« Reply #100 on: November 02, 2020, 12:05:04 AM »
All my advice to others is assuming that they don't live there.
If you live there with boots on the ground then my advice would
be to meet ladies, date and see what develops.

Prior to spending extended period of time in FSU, i was taking short trips, and did the visit one approach. But depends on the connection

If you are looking for a 25 year old then you
will face a ton of local competition especially for the high quality girls.

Very true, but locals are a lot of talk. I remember when my gf at the time, brought her female friend. She was around 18 (my gf was also 18). The girl met a new guy, her first boyfriend, i asked some questions, one being, what was his perspective that a woman works. Her response was, that her boyfriend thought a man should provide, and a woman does not work, i asked about his work, he helped his mum, was not studying. The women i dated, would tell me a lot of men TALK, but when it comes to actions, they don't provide, not because they can't, but not willing to work hard, too focused on money, when money is not that much, they don't pursue it further. Something my tattoo artist also said yesterday to me. I think as a woman matures a bit more, she starts to understand, talking and doing is two different things.

FSU is the land of talking, where women claim to be soul deep, full of love etc, and men talk about being the alpha male, loving their woman till the day they die. In western culture women talk less about love, and men don't talk about providing (split the bill etc).

If a man comes here, i suggest he proves that he is more than talk, a woman will appreciate that. They are tired of men talking about providing, small gestures mean a lot. For example, if you met her, she tells you she just came out of work, waiting for the bus to home, order her a taxi home, stuff like that. Small gifts, you don't need to buy an Iphone X, but make her life easier. If she is ill, offer to go the the pharmacy with her, and get her medicine, and leave shortly after (Show her there was no ulterior motive, you just want her to be healthy and happy).
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Re: VISITING ONE versus VISITING MANY
« Reply #101 on: November 02, 2020, 01:43:42 AM »
I realize now that the best course of action is to visit a few in different cities if things work out that way. Granted it will probably be 2-3 in Kiev or Moscow but if the stars align and you do Lviv, Kiev and Odessa - that would be ideal.

Once upon a time I went to see one lady in Kiev and three days later went out of town then back to Kiev. I was walking with another lady in an area far away from where the first lady and I hung out at. Of course we run into the first lady. She didn't make a scene but worse - she just gave me a sad somber look that killed me. i wish she would have screamed and yelled. I suppose there is no way around it. I tell myself they are probably hosting other people too...

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Re: VISITING ONE versus VISITING MANY
« Reply #102 on: November 02, 2020, 03:29:59 AM »
If you look at it purely from a supply and demand perspective, you
will find a large quantity of women who are over 35, thin, educated,
who are reasonable and who desire a marriage and family compared
to the local men who are looking for marriage and a family with a
woman who is over 35 - 40 and older.

If you are seeking a woman under 30 then there are plenty of local
men that are seeking those women as well. So as for the supply and
demand aspect of seeking a quality woman for marriage, there is an
abundance of women over that age who desire marriage and a family
and a lack of high quality local men that are seeking the same.

That is the sweet spot. If you are a divorced Western man seeking to
find a woman over 35-40 something then you will find many excellent
very high quality women. If you are looking for a 25 year old then you
will face a ton of local competition especially for the high quality girls.

If you are young and exceptional yourself and can live in the FSU then
you have a good opportunity. If you are older and not living in the FSU
then you should pursue the excellent ladies over 35.

That's my two kopecks

Bill

Excellent post.
And avoid girls under 28 for a marriage and life in the western countries.
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Re: VISITING ONE versus VISITING MANY
« Reply #103 on: November 02, 2020, 05:28:46 AM »

Welcome back! We know what your husband, Moby, will say. He is strictly a visit one woman at a time kind of guy.

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Re: VISITING ONE versus VISITING MANY
« Reply #104 on: November 09, 2020, 01:13:49 PM »

Excellent post.
And avoid girls under 28 for a marriage and life in the western countries.

I agree, unless you are a youngster yourself. I posted elsewhere that
women's brains are still actually developing until age 25. Giving a girl
a few years after her brain develops to make a life long decision is
the reasonable way to go. 

There is a age thread somewhere, I will find it and ask for your thoughts
there as well.

Age Difference thread with discussions dating back to 2005
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=32.625
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Re: VISITING ONE versus VISITING MANY
« Reply #105 on: November 12, 2020, 09:01:12 PM »
Following the VM approach I was able to enjoy what I had missed as a young man, because I married too young.

Did this harm the women ?  I really don't think so.  I never talked about marriage with any of them so, even if there were hope, it could not have been very strongly grounded.

I seriously doubt if even 0.5% of the women were sorry that they had spent time with me.
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« Reply #106 on: November 19, 2020, 01:24:01 PM »
We have many men who've been successful visiting ONE and likewise
we've had many men from this forum who've been successful visiting
many.

My advice is to do what fits your goals, situation and personality
but don't mix tactics from visiting one with a visit many trip.

If you are going to meet many don't write them 40 letters, have
several phone and Skype calls etc. What you are doing is a visit
one tactic of totally getting to know her before you meet and she
WILL expect you to visit only her since you spent so much time.

However, if you say "Hey Suzy do you wanna get a cup of coffee?"

Suzy has zero expectations from you. She is meeting you in a
coffee shop to see if you are interesting or not. If you hit if off
then you try to meet again. If you don't then no harm, no foul.

You would NEVER do it the other way. Write one letter to Martha
and then jump on a plane to visit ONLY her. So don't mix tactics
from different strategies.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: VISITING ONE versus VISITING MANY
« Reply #107 on: November 22, 2020, 04:19:58 AM »
In this day and age, with v.chat available to most...

Why are some older members advising to spend a lot of money on a 'pig in a poke'.


A least v.chat and filter ladies out you know will not be your cup of tea.


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« Reply #108 on: November 24, 2020, 12:42:09 PM »

I disagree, to a degree.


No one can really give advice on relationships, because what individuals want in a relationship varies. From reading this forum, I get the impression that what most men here seek is a woman to whom they are physically attracted, and anything beyond that is just gravy.  The fact marriages to FSUW occur quickly, without a common language, or culture, reinforces my perception.  However, beauty fades with time, both in terms of getting used to what your wife's looks, and the ravages of time.  Most of you are shallow. :P


I do agree that "WOVO vs WMVM" is down to personal preference and a man's personality.  A man who doesn't date widely at home, and is not charismatic, probably isn't going to succeed with a "WMVM" approach.  Nor will a man who doesn't enjoy dating a variety of women at home.  I think this is what moby misses.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

I think that he intentionally ignores the fact that many many men here at
this very forum were successful VM. He also totally mischaracterizes how
it works and what happens. He claims to have tried VM and if he did it the
way he mischaractrizes it then of course he failed.

[edit I removed part of my opinion about Moby]
« Last Edit: November 24, 2020, 04:58:57 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: VISITING ONE versus VISITING MANY
« Reply #109 on: November 24, 2020, 12:45:29 PM »
'pig in a poke'.

Pig in a poke: English colloquialisms such as turn out to be a pig in a poke
or buy a pig in a poke mean that something is sold or bought without the
buyer knowing its true nature or value, especially when buying without
inspecting the item beforehand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_in_a_poke
FSUW are not for entry level daters
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If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #110 on: November 24, 2020, 12:50:44 PM »
In this day and age, with v.chat available to most...

Why are some older members advising to spend a lot of money on a 'pig in a poke'.

A least v.chat and filter ladies out you know will not be your cup of tea.

No, if you are going to visit many then you don't video chat with them before
your trip. They will expect you to visit only them. That is a visit ONE tactic not
a visit many tactic.

You meet them in person for real over a cup of tea or coffee and decide if you
feel a mutual connection or chemistry. This fits some peoples personality.
People thankfully are not all the same.
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: VISITING ONE versus VISITING MANY
« Reply #111 on: November 24, 2020, 12:53:19 PM »
I think that he intentionally ignores the fact that many many men here at this very forum were successful VM. He also totally mischaracterizes how it works and what happens. He claims to have tried VM and if he did it the way he mischaractrizes it then of course he failed.

Moby has enormous difficulty with things that disagree with his views,  opinions and perceptions. This subject is no exception.


I disagree that moby has "enormous difficulty with things that disagree with his views".  I disagree with many of his views.  I don't view the fact he disagrees with me as an enormous difficulty on his (or my) part  We have different life experiences, so of course we will have different perspectives.  I just stop responding at some point on the same subject, rather than beat a dead horse.

I think moby is someone who has set views, which is not unusual given his age and life experience (just from living six decades), and perhaps is inflexible (I don't know, as I don't know him).  He also can be responding to contrary approaches to elicit responses. 

As for failure, it more likely is due to personality, and how one "dates" women generally. 

Now, back to discussing issues rather than personalities.

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« Reply #112 on: November 24, 2020, 01:00:10 PM »
NOTE: This is my opinion, although I state it like it's a fact, this is my opinion.
I spent 9 years looking for my wife. I readily admit that I made a zillion
mistakes and I began refining my techniques and tactics. So it wouldn't
be unwise to consider my opinions with that in mind.

The wrong way to pursue a visit many strategy is what I call using the wrong
tactics. If you read the trip reports of a great number of men who visit many
they spent years and years at doing it with the wrong tactics in my opinion.

They tried to develop something with a number of girls before embarking on
their trips. Then they visited with plans to meet and date all of them
simultaneously. Then sure enough the girls didn't value their time and played
games.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: VISITING ONE versus VISITING MANY
« Reply #113 on: November 24, 2020, 02:29:17 PM »
I spent zero time looking for a wife.

Although I've seen my teens make connections via Facebook or whatever, it always 'starts' with a first date that either goes somewhere or not.  Ain't that different here IMO.

I always got in trouble when I dated concurrently, and never woke up one morning saying to myself 'I'm going to go find a wife'.

Never met a woman that expressed an instant desire to get married either.  That would have scared the crap out of me, à la 'run Forrest run!'

That's just me though, which is all that really counts.  For the rest of ya, whatever floats your boat.  Just know that there are other options out there.

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Re: VISITING ONE versus VISITING MANY
« Reply #114 on: November 24, 2020, 04:37:04 PM »
I went on several WMVM trips to FSU.
I never made any mistakes, like Big Bill's zillion.
I never got into trouble when I dated concurrently, like BC did.

Speaking of zillion . . .
One blonde to another: I have had sex with a Brazilian.
Second blonde:  Wow, how many is that?
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« Reply #115 on: November 24, 2020, 05:45:44 PM »
I spent zero time looking for a wife.

Good for you!

I found my first wife at a garage sale, I certainly wasn't looking for one.
I was really unhappy with my first wife for years and years. After my
divorce, I spent a time sowing wild oats dating women who were too
young and/or had serious problems (I dated a stripper), but one thing
that I was determined that my next wife was going to be the real deal. 

I didn't plan out finding the first wife, but I've done endless planning
to find the second one and I'm glad I did. 

I've been a salesman for 31 years, I make goals then plans to achieve
them. It's just part of who I am, or what I've become.

« Last Edit: November 24, 2020, 05:49:44 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: VISITING ONE versus VISITING MANY
« Reply #116 on: November 24, 2020, 05:59:15 PM »
(I dated a stripper)

Did she have her own pole ?
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Re: VISITING ONE versus VISITING MANY
« Reply #117 on: November 24, 2020, 06:00:54 PM »
Did she have her own pole ?

No, she used the one at her work, when with me I lent her mine.
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

 

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