Are they impressed?

[Son of Clyde]

I see guys post of their many conquests, fancy cars and big salaries.

If you want a nice RW for a bride how important are these material things?

The scammer types will fall for this but what about the nice conservative, family oriented women?

Personally, it is nice to see some guys do well with the ladies both at home and in the FSU but it is ultimitely me that I am going to be living with 24/7.

Maybe it is why we watch the movies with Bruce Willis, Die Hard or Sean Connery as 007. But how many men actually live these lives in reality?

I think Bruno's trip report is the best I have read in a long long time. Very open and honest and true to life.

[chuckinwdc]

Son of Clyde, I think many men have inflated egos and active imaginations.

Personally, I don't care to read trip reports that go into too much detail about sexual adventures. Most single guys are trying to find a soulmate to marry, and going into sordid details does little other than feed the writer's egos.

There are lots of stories on the 'net about guys who send pictures of their Mercedes or Beemers, and their estates and so on. Most decent women will feel turned off by this. They want to marry and live comfortably of course, but they're marrying a man and not his signs of conspicuous consumption.

Chuck in D.C.

[KenC]

[user=130]Son of Clyde[/user] wrote:

I see guys post of their many conquests, fancy cars and big salaries.

If you want a nice RW for a bride how important are these material things?

Clyde,

Virtually every man from America will measure up well financially with RM.  Once your lady comes here, it is another story all together because you will then be measured against other American men.  I am not saying that some RW will not be happy as a clam with there new found financial status, because that is sometimes true.  But don't think for a second that others won't be looking around and asking why don't we have this or that?  RW adapt to America and that means adapting to the financial status issues as well.

KenC

[chuckinwdc]

Virtually every man from America will measure up well financially with RM.  Once your lady comes here, it is another story all together because you will then be measured against other American men.  I am not saying that some RW will not be happy as a clam with there new found financial status, because that is sometimes true.  But don't think for a second that others won't be looking around and asking why don't we have this or that?  RW adapt to America and that means adapting to the financial status issues as well.

Ken, economic conditions are improving in many parts of the FSU. For example, in Odessa housing prices are now comparable to those in many parts of the D.C. area. For example, my wife's cousin and her husband last year bought a US$300,000 house in one of the better neighborhoods of Odessa -- and they paid cash! Their example is not unique, either. I was interested in buying a flat in the downtown area of Odessa, but it's hard to find anything for less than US$50,000. And if the prices seem high, I've heard that they're insane in St. Pete and Moscow.

So, it's no longer a truism, I think, that every RM will be less well off than the average AM.

Chuck in D.C.

[OhioGuyRob]

Virtually every man from America will measure up well financially with RM.  Once your lady comes here, it is another story all together because you will then be measured against other American men.  I am not saying that some RW will not be happy as a clam with there new found financial status, because that is sometimes true.  But don't think for a second that others won't be looking around and asking why don't we have this or that?  RW adapt to America and that means adapting to the financial status issues as well.

Ken, economic conditions are improving in many parts of the FSU. For example, in Odessa housing prices are now comparable to those in many parts of the D.C. area. For example, my wife's cousin and her husband last year bought a US$300,000 house in one of the better neighborhoods of Odessa -- and they paid cash! Their example is not unique, either. I was interested in buying a flat in the downtown area of Odessa, but it's hard to find anything for less than US$50,000. And if the prices seem high, I've heard that they're insane in St. Pete and Moscow.

So, it's no longer a truism, I think, that every RM will be less well off than the average AM.

Chuck in D.C.
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Chuck,

That is true.  I know that property in the area of Deribuskyav St is absolutely booming.  There is a gross misconception here though.  You are comparing the rich and exrtrapolating that to the general population.   Ukraine and Russia is a 2 class society.  The rich and the poor.  The latest information from the CIA handbook says that in 2004 Urkaine had the 32nd highest GDP.  Thats a DROP from the prior year.  Ive seen nothing that indicates that the average wage has substancially increased.

[andrewfi]

Wages are going up about 10% per year at the moment, in 2002 the rose by 17% against negligable real price inflation. But it is true that there is a very small group of very wealthy people, but they account for the top one or two percent. Statistically insignificant, but, nonetheless, very visible.

[chuckinwdc]

That is true.  I know that property in the area of Deribuskyav St is absolutely booming.  There is a gross misconception here though.  You are comparing the rich and exrtrapolating that to the general population.   Ukraine and Russia is a 2 class society.  The rich and the poor.  The latest information from the CIA handbook says that in 2004 Urkaine had the 32nd highest GDP.  Thats a DROP from the prior year.  Ive seen nothing that indicates that the average wage has substancially increased.

You're quite right, Rob. There is definitely an unequal distribution of wealth there. My wife had a great job there, but rarely made more than US$300 a month. Her cousin owns a few small businesses that seem to do very well. Frankly, I envy them having enough disposal income to be able to plop down $300,000 cash for a house. My own house is worth more, but a big chunk of that belongs to the bank. :-)

Chuck in D.C.

[Bruno]

Personally, I don't care to read trip reports that go into too much detail about sexual adventures. Most single guys are trying to find a soulmate to marry, and going into sordid details does little other than feed the writer's egos.

That you don't care to read trip report, it is your problem...

But say that i go into too much detail about sexual adventure shock me... my trip report is not a sexual adventure far from this... i was meeting for the second time a woman who normally was ready to become my wife... first misluck... i have meet a second woman who is wonderfull... but for marriage, it is too a misluck... but she stay a friend and soulmate... without become a wife...

My trip report is not a quest for sex but for love... i have wish love and be loved... since intime relation are a part of the relation between partner... it is normal that this happend...

And these sordid details don't feed any kind of egos... it is what have happend... only the true... really, it change nothing for me to write of not a report... it was the first time i make it... and only for these forum...

If you wish only beautiful story, read fairy story... but not live story... if you think that all go always right in the life, you are not realist...

And how can you make so comment about my trip report if you don't read it... yep, i see some hypocrisy in your comment...

But now, i begin really tired of this... actually, i am not in state to support more attack and i say good-bye to these forum... and for a time to my quest of wife... if i stay, i feel that i go begin use bad word and it is something i don't wish...

 

[chuckinwdc]

Bruno, what makes you think I was referring to your Trip Report at all? There's really no reason to react so defensively.

Chuck in D.C.

[Bruno]

Chuck, it was you reply to the post from Son of Clyde who refert to my trip report...

He finish his post by :

" I think Bruno's trip report is the best I have read in a long long time. Very open and honest and true to life. "

And you reply by :

" Son of Clyde, I think many men have inflated egos and active imaginations.

Personally, I don't care to read trip reports that go into too much detail about sexual adventures. Most single guys are trying to find a soulmate to marry, and going into sordid details does little other than feed the writer's egos. "

It seem to me that it is enough clear... of maybe you type reply to post without really read the post from where you make the reply !!!

I don't think that my trip report is so good because it is full of detail good for me and can help nobody... but i have try to keep it like the original, only the second half of report will be truncated because of to much personal evement... this report is 3 week of my life, a short period where i was hurt a lot, where i have loose my hope... writing it have not feed my ego but have help me to go over these problem and stay optimist in the future... several people in US use a psy in so situation but myself, in Ukraine, i was alone, only some paper and a pen... what have help me was to write it when i was in ukraine... translate it and publish it bring nothing more to me... only maybe to other.

Maybe my reaction was too much strong but type these evement is something difficult for me... i have the impression to live it again... something i don't wish to my own ennemy...

[BC]

Bruno,

Chucks' post was in general.. not directed at your posts.


RU make you paranoid? LOL

[Bruno]

I am not paranoid, only i have not already remove all the stress of my trip... and i react enough fast... maybe too much... i have see it at my work these week... i was not easy with my worker... a simple error and i spring... i just need some time...

[BC]

Yes Bruno.. when I come back from 'vacation', I need another week to relax.. the 'true' vacation..

[chuckinwdc]

Bruno, my friend Son of Clyde said some very nice things about your report. I in no way disputed them, nor was I responding to his last sentence, but rather to the bulk of the rest of his message.

Now, take a breath. Slow down. Have a nice cold drink. And relax. Okay? :cool: 

Chuck in D.C.

[Bruno]

Yep, no problem... i calm down very fast... sorry for the reaction... i have not specialy easy in these moment... i am somebody strong physicaly and from mind but i have some limit... i need some time for charge again my battery... actually, i am low voltage and i make some mistake... sorry for all and polute these topic...

[Son of Clyde]

Bruno,

Don't worry we can all feel the pain you had to endure.

What made your trip report more interesting for me was the way it was written.

Even though your English may be somewhat limited, it was still interesting and easy to follow.

When reading it I concentrated on each word and became caught up in your story.

I hope the ending is a happy one because life changes from day to day and anything can happen.

[Jet]

Back to the topic...

It is important to some extent. It's a package deal, the guy and his stuff/money. You might find a seventeen yr old from the village to marry strictly for love, but don't delude yourself that any woman over 20 is that naive. The one thing these women really crave is stability.

As far as "measuring up", KenC is spot on. One of the first days of her life in FL, my wife exclaimed "Ohh my god! I've never seen anyone spend so much money in a single day before" after we had dropped about $450 on stuff for the house. Not more than 3 months later, $450 was "small money". They have eyes, and they catch on VERY quickly.