Do you SUPPORT the current immigration Bill before Congress?

[BC]

Jet,

Sorry but I do not believe for a minute that any company would lock out any programing that will make them and their stockholders money. That is simply not going to happen, again follow the money.

In big business, (which media networks are) short term gains are often sacrificed to meet longer term goals..  Especially with the most expensive election ever on the horizon.  Guess where most of this money will be spent?

Yepper.. follow the big money, not chump change.

[Mamma D]

My son works for a small company in Denver....He says that he has no way to verify whether an applicant is or is not presenting a real document...these people do pay taxes....He holds copies of all documents he receives and withholds taxes.

He says, that he has had them unable to pronounce the name on the paperwork!
If he challenges them, then he and his company can be sued for racial profiling and they are a small company and can't afford what such a suit would cost.

Our Basil (17 YO) is fluent in three languages, and is working this summer towards his Tuition at Stanford next fall. ( Hr earns a third, Dick & Irina cover a third, and loans cover the rest) He was told he needed to learn Spanish as most of the other workers are Mexican and do not use English....If they intended to   live in this country, wouldn't you think it would be something they felt important?

Irina and Basil learned English because they intend to make this their home for years to come....They both are citizens and carry American Passports.

A friend told me he was denied a job as supervisor on a construction job ... He didn't know Spanish and most of the labor was MEXICAN....none interested in learning English I assume.

Dick believes that personal Identity cards that are tamper proof, has photo and thumb print.... and in a national database that can be checked, would help....after all, we all have social security numbers....
He believes this would also help with the identity theft problem we are having.

I know that some fear this.. but we think nothing of drivers licenses, and other ID cards we carry and think nothing about.

I think the ones that profit from this most, are the people that take advantage of the low wages they can get by with....If they were fined for hiring people that are not here legally, enough to make it hurt....The jobs would dry up and much of the problem would be solved.

We were in the wholesale business in Mexico for 15 years and these are hard working people, working to care for their families...

I have a great respect for them. But does this government respect the LAW?

Mamma D

[TigerPaws]

Have you ever spent any time in eastern Europe or Russia where such a program was in place for 70 years?

Such a national ID system would give our governemnt almost unlimited power to control us the citizens of the U.S.A. Throughout Russia today anyone at anytime is required to show their ID papers which is an internal passport (unlike an international passport), if you are found to be without the proper stamps and documents allowing you to be in the city or area you have been approved to be in you will be arrested. If you do not have your ID you will be arrested and detained until the local arresting agency gets around to confirming your ID and if you were allowed to be where you were arrested.

Maybe you trust our government but I for one do not, maybe you want a socialist police state but I do not, none-the-less a national ID system will go a very long way towards that happening.

A national ID system is but one more way for any governemnt to control their citizenry, are you really comfortable with that?

While I agree that the current system is broken, I would be somewhat amenable to a more secure standardized drivers license, the problem is that not everyone drives so that would mean there needs to be another form of ID and that frightens the hell out of me. When a person is required to have a governemnt issued ID that opens a very big door to abuse by the very governemnt issuing the ID.

How would you like being stopped at random by any law enforcement officer and forced to produce your government ID or face arrest? Are you ready to travel down that path? Now we visit Florida a couple of times a year and we do not have a drivers license any longer from any state, in fact the only identification we have is our U.S. passports which we leave in the on board safe. What are people like us to do if we no longer live in the U.S.A.? Carry our passports everywhere we go, obtain a state ID for a state we do not reside in?

While a national ID may sound like a panacea it is fought with serious liberty issues as well as security (mine, yours and others) and implamantation problems. The security checks alone would create a totally new bureaucracy, hells bells it takes 12 to 14 months to do one security check for a concealed carry permit in many states and what about the most recent passport requirements, the back up is what 6 to 8 months now. What do you think would happen when 300+ million people are required to have some form of national ID? Then what about the legal challenges, such a proposal would most certainly be met with very stiff opposition from many different sides.

SeaQuest OE

[wxman]

We already have a Police State. It's called Homeland Security. At any moment, they can haul you away, without notifying your family and without giving you legal representation, if they have suspicion you might be a terrorist. Now what is their description of a terrorist? Nobody really knows.  We lost so many rights with the creation of this agency. In the future someone opposed to the platform of the ruling party may be labelled a terrorist if they promote civil disobedience, and arrested. It may not happen now, but what about 25 years from now? This agency reminds me of infancy of the Gestapo and how with time they became extremely powerful. There are so many similarities between the nationalistic movement of Germany in the 1930s, and the nationalistic movement of our country today. The whites in this country are not going to give up their power very easily when the population shift makes them a minority.

[TigerPaws]

We already have a Police State. It's called Homeland Security. At any moment, they can haul you away, without notifying your family and without giving you legal representation, if they have suspicion you might be a terrorist. Now what is their description of a terrorist? Nobody really knows.  We lost so many rights with the creation of this agency. In the future someone opposed to the platform of the ruling party may be labelled a terrorist if they promote civil disobedience, and arrested. It may not happen now, but what about 25 years from now? This agency reminds me of infancy of the Gestapo and how with time they became extremely powerful. There are so many similarities between the nationalistic movement of Germany in the 1930s, and the nationalistic movement of our country today.

On some level I agree at least if it happens after another 25 years I will not live to see it.

TigerPaws

[wxman]

I'll probably still be alive    But who knows, I may be deemed useless to the state by then. Then as Chuck Heston said in an overacting way, "Soylent green is people!!!"  Yummy 

[ScottinCrimea]

Throughout Russia today anyone at anytime is required to show their ID papers which is an internal passport (unlike an international passport), if you are found to be without the proper stamps and documents allowing you to be in the city or area you have been approved to be in you will be arrested. If you do not have your ID you will be arrested and detained until the local arresting agency gets around to confirming your ID and if you were allowed to be where you were arrested.

What the heck are you talking about?  I know for a fact that in Ukraine there is no such requirement to carry your internal passport at all times, nor is it necessary to prove that you are allowed to be in another city other than where you live.  There was such a thing as a propiska in the past but it was not so strict as you describe.  No one I know carries their internal passport around with them, nor do I know of anyone who has been detained for being out of their resident city.  Please don't use scare tactics to justify your opinion.

[wxman]

Scott,

I thought I read that Ukraine was going to eliminate the internal passport. Any truth to that?

[TigerPaws]

What the heck are you talking about?  I know for a fact that in Ukraine there is no such requirement to carry your internal passport at all times, nor is it necessary to prove that you are allowed to be in another city other than where you live.  There was such a thing as a propiska in the past but it was not so strict as you describe.  No one I know carries their internal passport around with them, nor do I know of anyone who has been detained for being out of their resident city.  Please don't use scare tactics to justify your opinion.

Nowhere in my post did I say anything about Ukraine now did I?

TigerPaws

[ScottinCrimea]

My mistake.  I carried your mention of Eastern Europe in the first paragraph into the rest of your post.

[Jet]

We already have a Police State. It's called Homeland Security. At any moment, they can haul you away, without notifying your family and without giving you legal representation, if they have suspicion you might be a terrorist. Now what is their description of a terrorist? Nobody really knows. 

Just read another interesting tidbit to back up this assertion:

Data on Americans Mined for Terror Risk
By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer

3 hours ago

WASHINGTON - The FBI is gathering and sorting information about Americans to help search for potential terrorists, insurance cheats and crooked pharmacists, according to a government report obtained Tuesday.

Records about identity thefts, real estate transactions, motor vehicle accidents and complaints about Internet drug companies are being searched for common threads to aid law enforcement officials, the Justice Department said in a report to Congress on the agency's data-mining practices.

In addition, the report disclosed government plans to build a new database to assess the risk posed by people identified as potential or suspected terrorists.

The chairman of the Senate committee that oversees the Justice Department said the database was "ripe for abuse."

[Mamma D]

Let it at least be in the open, so we all have a fair chance .... And know who is collecting data on us.... how and for what reason....

Mamma D

[Wayne B]

Mamma D, I think that those who play by the 'rules' will never have a problem with being harassed by our government....although a few have been harassed......We all have to realize that there is an attack coming to our country again....maybe not as severe as 911, but devastating just the same.....Wheather we are a democrat, republican or independent...we must keep an open eye on what is happening in our communities....