Do you SUPPORT the current immigration Bill before Congress?

[William3rd]

As you know, the Senate is preparing to vote again on the previously withdrawn immigration bill which provides for an amnesty for illegal aliens. If the bill passes, it will go to the House for further action before it goes to the White House where signature is guaranteed. DO you support the present bill before Congress?

[srsol]

As a US citizen and one who has served honorably in military service - I believe a nation who has laws that are fair and serve the public to the best level that it can is worth defending. 

When Senators and Representatives state that "right" talk radio needs to be limited as it "has extreme views" as stated by Feinstein, that of itself should is a very alarming comment.  So, Congress voting on an immigration bill that refutes current written law . . . 

"If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.  And what country can preserve it's liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance?  Let them take arms.  The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them.  What signify a few lives lost in a century or two?  The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.  It is natural manure"  

As stated by one of our Founding Fathers, drafter of the Declaration of Independence and the 3rd President of the United States of America,

Thomas Jefferson

[Dan C.]

Srsol,

  So why cannot Congress change a law?  Now, if you prefer the current law, that is fine and I understand your point. 

  By the way, who cares about what some liberal senators think of talk radio?  Right now it is the pressure from talk radio on conservatives that is hurting this bill's chances of being passed. 

  Does the Jefferson quote mean you are willing to take up arms against this? 

  I don't think the current bill will pass.  It does not give the right or left enough of what they want.   

[catzenmouse]

I don't think the current bill will pass.  It does not give the right or left enough of what they want.   

The only ones who get what they want with this bill are the illegals and those who hire them. Rest of the country gets shafted again.

[Wayne B]

I do not support amnesty....I support 1st bill....close/secure the border...yea/nae......From there we go to the next bill...2nd what will be the penalty for coming into the U.S. illegally ??? yea/nae ....Next bill 3rd If we catch you hiring illegal aliens...you will have to help Wayne pay for Anna's AOS fees. yea/nae

[macman]

So why cannot Congress change a law?  Now, if you prefer the current law, that is fine and I understand your point.  

Why change a law that is not being inforced as it is.  This new bill, in it's current state, will impede our national soverienty, burden the over-burdened welfare and social security systems.  Not to mention stretching the USCIS with 12million new citizens that will require appropriate paperwork.  That's 48k people per day for how many years to process?  And hey, NO BACKGROUND CHECKS. . .  There flooding us now, this law will not stop this onslought of illegal immigration.

What's bad IMO is the fact that the American people overwhelmingly (>65%) Did not want this bill resurrected.  The politicians ignored the consitituents on this - NOW -->

When Senators and Representatives state that "right" talk radio needs to be limited as it "has extreme views" as stated by Feinstein, that of itself should is a very alarming comment.

With her push for a fairness doctrine attempting to "control" talk radio and other right wing expressions of information.  Liberal talk shows are government funded - and don't have near the listening audience as conservative listener funded talk shows.  This could also spill over into the pulpit - hum!

Finally-->

Does the Jefferson quote mean you are willing to take up arms against this?  

Tyranny is the exercise of some power over a man, which is not warranted by law, or necessary for the public safety. A people can never be deprived of their liberties, while they retain in their own hands, a power sufficient to any other power in the state.

If necessary!


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[Jet]

 Liberal talk shows are government funded - and don't have near the listening audience as conservative listener funded talk shows.  This could also spill over into the pulpit - hum!

Name one, other than NPR

[ScottinCrimea]

Any bill that rewards those that break the law is flawed.  Illegal means illegal, no matter how many want to use the term "undocumented".  Imagine the uproar if any bill gave a general pardon for those who had broken any other law!

"Yeah, he's a burglar but who else will clean out our garages if we jail or deport him?

[wxman]

We need to secure the border first. Worry about the 12 million illegals after the border is secure.  While congress is debating and perhaps passing a law about the 12 million illegals in this country, another 12 million will pour in. It's like allowing people to board a ship while it's sinking. 

[GoodBrew]

As of 10:20 this morning the Senate telephone system has shut down and crashed because of overwhelming public feedback. Looks like the bill has been defeated.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/immigration-bill-goes-down-in-defeat-2007-06-28.html

[Mamma D]

Why do these aliens come here?
How do most of them arrive....?
Is it hard to get fake papers (Green Cards)?

Do they usually work in places, and for employers, that pay the same wages an American would get? If they do not... why do you think that is?

If they have fake papers and do get a job that is "face on legit"....and tax's paid... in whose name? Are they less Illegal? Do they then deserve all the rights of our citizens....? Are they then OK illegal?

Did you know that if they apply, show false papers (even though they cannot pronounce the name)....the employer can be sued, if he doesn't hire them? If they look Hispanic, it is called,racial profiling and discrimination, if you question their papers at all. Small business can not take the chance....A Rock and the hard place!

It all boils down to a good identification system and being able to prove who you say you are, A database that will back it up... And a tiff sentence for the ones that abuse it.

I will not even get into the many names that Hispanic have ...father, mothers theirs.....mercy help us to sort that out!

A tamper proof ID card, backed up by a database that can be checked.... I believe we would see much less Identity theft....

Then, if fines for hiring Illegal labor were BIG enough to really hurt the ones that live off cheap ( I don't give a XXXX where they come from) employees.

If the jobs and money dries up... there would no longer be a reason to jump the fence. But our borders MUST be sealed....

Fifty years ago they did work in the fields... few were skilled.
In Southern California they would round them up and take them back to TJ and let them out.... They would beat the bus back!

The old lie ....is they do work that Americans won't do......They take the jobs that our teens used to fill....Construction crews... Americans are denied work because they do not speak Spanish... can you believe they are asked to learn a language that is not our own....WHY?

Land of Opportunity.....You bet, but legal or illegal?

[WmGO]

No, heck dang NO!

I am in favor of enforcing the laws as they exist now! The problem is that the laww are not being enforced! No new laws will change anything - especially amnesty, which they said and did in the 1960s and again in the 1980s (they all gave the same rhetoric then that it would "solve" the problem).

Before an internal problem can be fixed the leaking dam, or I should say floodgates, should be sealed. SEALED!

Then track down and deport any illegal that has a criminal record, has committed a crime here, or is a gang member. The estimates for those categories of illegals is 2,000,000 - that is TWO MILLION!

We also should aggresively deal with the non-agriculture employers very harshly.

Illegal workers are dramtically suppressing the wages of poor and lower middle class American citizens  and you would think that the voices of those groups would be up in arms about this....

The effort by elitists from both political parties to ram this down the throats of America borders on a kind of attempted coup d'tat. Well, if someone is a globalist and/or North American Union promoter it is probably a good thing.........and noone will buy or sell without a number..........

[macman]

Name one, other than NPR

Radio Free Europe
Radio Liberty
PBS

This could be debate in and of itself. . . however, the Amercian people have spoken - leadership has not listened. 

macman

[Ste]

Deutsche, kauft nicht bei Juden!

[Jet]

Radio Free Europe
Radio Liberty
PBS

This could be debate in and of itself. . . however, the Amercian people have spoken - leadership has not listened. 

macman

Ahh, my mistake! I thought you were talking about left leaning radio broadcasts that American people might actually listen to. More like the "Ed Shultz", "Stephanie Miller", "Randi Rhoads" variety...

[BradSTL]

Ahh, my mistake! I thought you were talking about left leaning radio broadcasts that American people might actually listen to. More like the "Ed Shultz", "Stephanie Miller", "Randi Rhoads" variety...

I guess "Air America" (with Al Franken) is definitely dead in the water;  Jerry Brown had a pretty good left-leaning talk show--- but he kept losing networks that would carry it.

[ScottinCrimea]

It's all a vast right wing conspiracy.

[TigerPaws]

I just love it when in the fair and open free market place the left or liberal radio talk shows are failing, they gripe and complain about conservative radio yet the liberal agenda fails in a free and open market.

I guess like most liberals they want a government mandate to force their views on people because they can not make it on their own merit.

Hum.... Sounds just like communism which after all is what the left is really after. Maybe I am wrong but wasn't that tried already in what we now know as the former Soviet Union?

TigerPaws

[BC]

Tiger,

The airwaves are in the hands of relatively few media moguls.. I think it's time that Voice of America came back to America.

Free press?  right.. but let me ask my boss first.

[TigerPaws]

BC,

Do you really believe that if liberal talk radio could make money that there would not be many stations with a liberal format? Money is what any business is all about if they could make money having someone speak gibberish 24/7 don't you believe that would happen?

Follow the money, if the money is in conservative radio, religious or liberal that is where business will go.

TigerPaws 

[Jet]

I guess like most liberals they want a government mandate to force their views on people because they can not make it on their own merit.

Actually the money making "liberal" talkshow hosts are just about unanimously opposed to the new legislation - imagine that 
Out of the eight (or so) conglomerates that control radio, Clear Channel is the only one to have even given the liberals a fair shot.
Shultz is ranked in the top 5 hosts nationwide, makes WAY more money for his advertisers than most of his conservative counterparts, and manages to stay "locked out" of a vast number of markets. It's not so much about the current money as it is about content control to protect possible future money derived from current pending legislation. Ever take a good look at who advertises on national night time news shows? How many folks out there are in the market to buy an offshore oil platform, or have a fleet of new commercial airliners custom designed for them? These advertisers fund these shows so they can have a say in what news gets reported and what doesn't.

[TigerPaws]

Jet,

 Here aboard SeaQuest OE we do not get to see very much of the evening news, we do receive TV via satellite but because of were we are there is no local or national news, radio yes, AM, FM and shortwave. We will be back in Florida for a few weeks this month having our vessel worked on before heading across the pond to the Med for the hurricane season so maybe then we will see some of the local and national news.

Sorry but I do not believe for a minute that any company would lock out any programing that will make them and their stockholders money. That is simply not going to happen, again follow the money.

TigerPaws

[William3rd]

 

If I want to hear about lib this or lib that, I can listen to the oxycontin poster child.

This was a bipartisan effort by Americans to STOP the immigration Bill.

If you want to spout talking points go open a thread in odds and ends.

[TigerPaws]

If I want to hear about lib this or lib that, I can listen to the oxycontin poster child.

This was a bipartisan effort by Americans to STOP the immigration Bill.

If you want to spout talking points go open a thread in odds and ends.

 

[William3rd]

Is that the best that you've got? Or is that just symbolic on how the American people are taking it these days?