Hello From the Pacific Islands

[TC]

Hi

Id first like to say that I read the very informative home page about Russian Women and knew I had found the site I had been looking for.

I am originally from PA. USA but currently reside in the Pacific Islands where I own a small business. I wont go into detail on this post about what I do because I really enjoy my work which leads me to rambling on and on.

Im here because a few weeks ago I explored a web site with Russian Women looking for men. I joined just to get access and look around. I had nothing else in mind. I saw a lot of  gorgeous women but at my age (43) looks are less important than what else a girl is about. But I do like looking.

Anyway, I saw this one girl that was just a stunner and her eyes looked so familiar in some weird way. So I messaged her. I didnt here back for alomst a week. I actually forgot about it. Then I got an email. A lengthy one with a picture. It was nice so I wrote back. We write about 3 times a week now and always send a new picture.  Everything she says is nice but not over the top. She is supposidly a 27 year old Doctor etc... So I started exploring the Russian Women thing. And I constantly see the word "Scam or Scammer" as being something to worry about. I believe I m too smart for that but then I see a lot of really smart guys saying they were had. So now Im concerned.

Something that has been bothering me. Almost every picture I send her contains my sons in it. I always mention them because I want to be up front I have two boys. Here is whats bothering me. She has never commented on my kids in the photo's. Never. Is this a red flag?

So, hello everyone. Great site. Glad to be here.

PS: Wow Lily is cute!!! Sorry Lily, I wanted to say that as a community Ice Breaker. I enjoy being a little funny when appropriate. I promise not to embarrass you again.

TC

[Lily]

Thanks TC, you are not embarassing me at all    Thank you!   
Would you mind putting your own photo in the avatar, too? 

On what sites do you actually keep your profile?

It is very good that you attach your pictures to every email to her. If you are concerned that she does not comment on your boys, suggest that you just ask you about it.

[DKMM]

TC

When something seems wrong during the email phase, there is usually a reason.  A lady that ignores certain things you send her whether questions, pictures or whatnot can be a warning sign.  But then again, some of them are just not good at this correspondence thing.  I would wonder if there are other things in her letters that are nagging at you.  If not, I see nothing to get worked up about.  Spending a lot of time around here can make men paranoid at the initial stages...

[TC]

Thanks for the replies.

I don't mind that she doesn't mention my sons. I was not soliciting a response about my kids. I was just surprised that she didn't. Nothing else about this woman or anything she does makes me feel anything but good. I also dont want to spend my time paranoid. For now Im enjoying my emails with her. If it grows from there great. If not no problem. I have wanted a Russian Pen Pal for years. Male or female. I wanted to exchange some Russian money and add to my collection or foreign currency.

Im an ex-military man. Navy as it were. I have a fondness for Russian Military history and would love to visit Russia someday.

I will post a pic maybe tonight in my avatar. Im not as cute as Lily but who is?

TC

[TC]

I have another question.


I clicked on chat and this Computerized response program is talking with me. It has some flaws but its very very interesting. What is the purpose of this Cyber Robot? It also says I can down load it onto my computer and talk with it off line. That is almost scary! LOL

Does anyone else talk with this program?

TC

[Lily]

 I have a fondness for Russian Military history and would love to visit Russia someday.
 

What makes you particularly fond of Russian Military? Is it the Russian or the Soviet one, by the way?

[TC]

Its difficult to explain Lily. But I do feel some camaraderie with the Russian Navy. Maybe its a bi-product of American Movies. I don't know how else to explain it. Red October is a good example. I am pretty sure that was Russian. But I could be wrong.

I posted a picture as you suggested. I make no apologies if this site loses visitors because of it. LOL

TC

[Lily]

It's all right, don't worry! Thanks for posting!

[Bruce]

TC, until you get on a plane and go virtual world will be just that.  Make it a reality.  I recommend you visit a target rich environment with many available women.  Writing one woman and even if she is real meeting her often goes south within five minutes of meeting.  If you choose that route make sure you have the ability to meet other women ie back up plans.

[SANDRO43]

Here is whats bothering me. She has never commented on my kids in the photo's. Never. Is this a red flag?

Definitely TC, and BTW welcome. One would expect a prospective bride/fiancée to somehow react to your having 2 sons, one way or the other, wouldn't one ?

Have a look at the Scam Card in the Scam Avoidance menu at left, mostly at its questions and explanations. You may pick up other hints at typical scammer behaviour .

[catzenmouse]

I posted a picture as you suggested. I make no apologies if this site loses visitors because of it. LOL

Wow! 300 members just quit the board... 

Welcome TC!

 Does she answer your questions? Does she ask you questions? Not mentioning your kids does seem a bit odd but if all the other questions are being answered it may or may not be an issue at this stage of writing. Maybe ask her specifically what she thinks of them.

Ken

[Gator]

Hi TC (a real PACific MAN)

Strange that she did not acknowledge your kids.

Important question - what is the name of the agency that you are using?  Some agenices are reputable, others can scam you.

[SANDRO43]

Some agenices are reputable, others can scam you.

Right, some are age-nices, others age-nasties . Beware !

[TC]

I am sorry about the 300 people that left the boards when I posted my mug shot. I warned you that might happen. Its why I don't go to night clubs. 300 people logging off the internet boards that contain 1000's probably isnt a catastrophic event but when 300 people run out of a night club after I enter, well thats different. The owners of the clubs cant afford the losses and on occasion there have been injuries in the stampede to the exit. LOL

I do appreciate the very considerate replies by everyone. Gator, Ken, Sandro , Bruce and of coarse the delightful Lily. Hope I didnt leave anyone out. But I do think I sense some misunderstanding about why Im here. Or at least a misunderstanding in part. So, Ill attempt to offer some clarity about my situation. This next paragraph is loaded with drama so if you need a coffee or beer to get through it now would be a good time to get it.

At 23 years of age, I decided to look for that special woman. I didn't want to let "chance" have me stumble onto her. I went looking. While in the Navy, I found a visiting tourist in Hawaii from a remote island in the South Pacific called American Samoa. She was the niece of a friend of mine who had married a Samoan. So I had already the inside track. We dated for 6 years,  mostly long distance but I flew into Samoa on occasion. By almost any mans standards, she was an absolute treasure. Not a diamond in the rough. That diamond was highly polished and set in gold. Gorgeous, attentive to a flaw, a business professional, hard working, meek and humble. Guys, Im telling you perfect. I spent 6 years watching for any possible changes and she was the definition of consistent. No one I know could be more cautious then that. She had never dated anyone in her life before me. Never even had a date or kissed a boy. She waited for me alone. She gave new meaning to the word perfect. I married her and in an effort to keep her the way she was, I moved my life to her homeland thinking that keeping her in the same environment would be the best way to keep her pristine.

After 14 years of marriage, 2 great boys and a  successful business, she snapped. Our divorce was and is the ugliest thing on record. She is possessed by Satan himself. The woman is obsessed with my destruction. This is a small island and she used her small native family connections to destroy me financially at the tax office where her aunt is a 20 year employee. She used her connection at the AG's office where her best friend is dating the AG to launch a criminal investigation. There was nothing to the allegations but when the media picked up on the investigation, it was the headliner for weeks. When your a non-native and things get stirred up,right or wrong, the dogs all come running and its ugly. It was an incredible disaster. My business was in ruins, my home was burned to the ground. There were two assassination attempts on my life. My family back home begged in tears for me to leave the territory. But I wont leave my children. I will leave with them or die trying. But I wont leave them behind. Im still working on custody. It looks good. She wants money not the kids. I had to rebuild my company to a point where it was a valuable enough trade for her to give me the kids and Ill sign over the business to her. Im almost there. But of coarse it means starting over again financially. It is what it is. I wouldn't hesitate to storm the gates of hell in behalf of my kids. I can weather another financial crash and rise again for them. Money is easy. It just takes time to start over from scratch. As most of you business people here know it takes money to make money. I wont get the kids unless she is positive I dont have a penny buried anywhere on earth. So thats what it will be. 

That brings me to the purpose of why Im here. I am not really looking for another wife. I am convinced I did it perfect the first time and I could not improve on my efforts which still resulted in the ugliest divorce imaginable. I have my pick of almost any young beautiful woman I chose on this island so I am not lonely or lacking in companionship. It would not be characteristic of me to spend large amounts of money traveling to find a beautiful companion. But, I do on occasion surf the web and look at things like these Russian Beauties. Clearly I understand a western mans interest here. But I messaged this young lady with no other intension other then to make a friend in Russia which I stated in a previous post that it could have just as well been a male. It was a bonus to be a cute young lady. Now after a couple of weeks of emails, she shows tremendous interest in a long term investment into me and I find myself attracted to her as well. So as any good business man would do, I did some research and found concern and the word scammer on ever page that I loaded about Russian Women. So I decided the best thing for me to do to sort through the haze of confusion, is to talk to people like everyone here. Hence my presence on these boards.

I hope this offers an good insight about who and what Im all about here.

Thank you for taking the time to listen and offer your words of advice. Sorry about dumping all the drama on everyone. It wasnt my initial intension to unload the baggage. But Bruce posted a comment about having "back-up" in case I go see her. While his advice makes perfect sense on a general level, my situation doesnt require back up. I wanted to explain that to everyone because I see some really interesting people here with great minds and willingness to talk about things. The best thing for me to do is give you the best information
possible about who I am and what Im facing.

Regards to all
TC

[TC]

I just re-read that marathon post. Wow, it probably set some kind of newbie record for introductions.
I wanted to add something though. At no time when I emailed this girl did I ever try to sweet talk her or promise her anything. I have never talked about getting married or looking for a girl friend. Our emails consist of mainly what our days are like etc.. but hers lean more towards selling her qualities to me.  Listing all the dishes she can cook for her man, how lonely she was until she met me. How other men only wanted nude photo's of her but I was different. She calls me her new best friend with hopes of growing our relationship to be more. I believe her. Yesterday I put her image up as a screen saver. This is a clear indication that she is on my mind. Love in the making? I doubt it. But interested? Definitely!

TC

[jb]

And I constantly see the word "Scam or Scammer" as being something to worry about. I believe I m too smart for that but then I see a lot of really smart guys saying they were had. So now Im concerned.

Nobody is beyond the reach of a really clever con artist.

I am not really looking for another wife. I am convinced I did it perfect the first time and I could not improve on my efforts which still resulted in the ugliest divorce imaginable. I have my pick of almost any young beautiful woman I chose on this island so I am not lonely or lacking in companionship. It would not be characteristic of me to spend large amounts of money traveling to find a beautiful companion.

Then go away, you are in the wrong place here.

Our emails consist of mainly what our days are like etc.. but hers lean more towards selling her qualities to me.  Listing all the dishes she can cook for her man, how lonely she was until she met me. How other men only wanted nude photo's of her but I was different. She calls me her new best friend with hopes of growing our relationship to be more. I believe her.

I fear you've already been scammed.  This is not very RW-like, RWs do not exhibit these qualities after only a few emails.  A new "best friend" indeed.  RWs grow up in very closed communities,,, best friends are made in the 2nd grade, not after a few emails to a total stranger.  This cries scam to my ear.

Give it your best shot, but I have grave reservations.

[pitbull]

TC,

Nothing personal-just pure logic:

I think the RW you are corresponding with (if she really exists) is 99% a scammer. Really, what stunning 27 year old doctor in her right mind would be seriously interested in a possible marriage to a 43-year-old guy in your personal (familay and financial) situation??? 

I think (to be realistic) you should look for someone closer to your own age, and not necessarily stunning. Also, these women are not looking for pen pals-and you surely won't be be able to discuss Russian military history with many of those agency girls 

P.S. I have nothing against you personally and think you're a really nice man. I just don't really get your goals here-you say you're not looking for a wife-but a marriage agencyor a dating site is not a good place to look for a pen pal or a Russian military history faqn!

Good luck!!

[TC]

jb

You could not have be more wrong when you said Quote:"Then go away, you are in the wrong place here." That my friend, I new for certain. I knew exactly why I was here and it was for the right reasons. Just different than most others which I explained in much detail. However still on appropriate topic.

Additionally you said in the same post Quote:"This cries scam to my ear." I wanted very much for you to continue to be "way wrong" about my situation so I set out to prove it. What I discovered on every page I read was that it looked more and more like you were right. I saw more and more evidence of similarities in scams. After 5 hours of reading posts on this site, Im conceding you are correct. Im being set up for a scam. Im still stunned at the realization.

Lastly, I quote you again on the same exact post "Nobody is beyond the reach of a really clever con artist." Those words need spoken more often. Its really really true. Its easy to scam someone that has something you want badly. Even someone really smart. But I did not want anything from this woman beyond a contact in Russia. She was able to instill that desire in me with out me already having it. Wow!

I own a small company that sells filters to Ocean vessels and Heavy Machinery. I had a hard time breaking into the Ocean side of the business. The men that do the purchasing and ordering are very traditional in their purchasing habits and not easy to turn. I hired a very attractive woman who could party and drink with the best of them and sent her in as a sales rep with a party budget. I tripled my Ocean sales in 3 months. I understand what makes men tick for the most part. So I should be wise enough to avoid my own tactics. But here I am telling you that you were right and I was wrong. (Except for the reason and value for which I was on the site initially). Its exactly why I was here and while the conclusions are disappointing, Im happy to have found out now and not later.

jb's comments inspired me to spend the time researching. But it was the comments of many that gave me what I needed to draw my own conclusions. I will probably always  be less cynical than jb. In fact, my general philosophy about the world in general is a lot like Lily which offers some benefit of doubt without diving right in on blind faith. Treasures dont wash up on the beach. You have to do your home work and go look for them.

This is a great site with a lot of really intelligent people on board. Ill probably be a lurker for awhile.

TC

[TC]

Pittbull

While I was writing my "novel " reply to jb, you posted and I missed it.

Thank you for being very pilot about your remarks. I understand what you are saying. But I think I mentioned in one of my first posts that I was surfing around and just checked out the Russian dating site out of curiosity. Making contact with anyone in Russia was good enough for a try. I never expected it to move forward nor was I looking for that. As hard as that may be to believe. It wasnt a pay site so no harm no foul. Just a contact.

Im not at all offended by your comments. Your not wrong in many respects. But if you read my reply to jb, perhaps you will see that I came to the right place for info. I am not here "exactly" for the same reason most people are here but the information I needed was here. And I found what I was looking for.

Ill say it again, thank you for your help. I mean that to everyone. And good luck in your en devours.

I have been thinking about posting a new topic but I may just lurk around for awhile.

PS: I was not kidding about this island I live on over flowing with cute young brown skinned beauties eager to please and marry foreign men. Especially from the states.
I kind of got the impression that jb thought my comment about that was highly exaggerated or was about me calling myself a super handsome prize of some sort. To the contrary. Im average at best as state side standards are concerned. But its very common for women 18 to 25 marrying 40-60 year old men. Its a security thing. So when I say Im not lonely, you can bet on it. What I said on this site was true and honest. It is the only way to get the right information isnt it?

TC

[SANDRO43]

I want my money back, with interest accrued since 1958 ! They conned me about the South Pacific, sounds much more like South Afghanistan .

[jb]

TC,

I never doubted there were beautiful girls in the South Pacific, I spent some time in Tahiti.  There is just something about the combination of a French and Polynesian mix that produces some stunning results.  American Samoa is another story.  You didn't say where you live, but I'll bet it's a paradise.

[SANDRO43]

I spent some time in Tahiti.  There is just something about the combination of a French and Polynesian mix that produces some stunning results.

Agreed, I visited Moorea, next island to Tahiti: I think that a more European- and less Filipino-looking face is more appealing to our eyes (among other things ).

[TC]

There are plenty of great looking women here on my rock surrounded by the Pacific Ocean. Funny thing is most of them are transplants from a nearby island. The true indigenous females here for some reason blow up like pop corn in a mircowave as soon as they reach 21. The Island 80 miles away is littered with awesome female specimens which fortunately for me visit here often and stay for prolonged periods of time. If your middle aged and white, a case of beer, McDonalds Big Mac Meal and a Pack of cigarettes constitutes serious relationship and all the loving you can handle. If your a retired Senior , you trump all younger men and dont need to buy the McDonalds. Just a Pack of cigs and wave your bottle of Viagra and the women will run past anyone else to get to you. LOL

I have been on this rock for 10 years. I am moving to the Nearby Island in 10 weeks full time. Mainly for business reasons.
TC