See the scam unfold

[Kvinna]

If, and I think that there is a very, very tiny chance of this, she turns out to be genuine then you can easily ask Dan or the mods to remove the thread to prevent further exposure to these private letters.

So easy? and what will be after this? will he look for another prey for his hunting?
Don't you see he has no serious intention for serious relationship.
Also what will be with that girl if she is genuine? Don't you think it hurts?

[IAmZon]

The definition of a SCAM -

A women who TOTALLY falsifies romantic interest and manipulates a man's emotions for the SOLE reason of stealing the man's money or getting gifts and vacations via fraud, thievery, or feminine manipulation.

This woman is a small time con artist / prostitute in disguise.

How many women who are painted with the SCAM brush fit this specific definition?

[William3rd]

Rivardco- take out the word totally and sole from your definition and you are close enough. ANY act of chicanery is enough for the scammer brush to come out. The definition needs to be broader.

[Mir]

and what will be after this? will he look for another prey for his hunting?

Question is who is the hunter and who is the prey?

Kyoto in the snow
Heavens far away
Sending their love
Passion parade
Hunter and the hunted

(Simple Minds)

[catzenmouse]

So easy? and what will be after this? will he look for another prey for his hunting?
Don't you see he has no serious intention for serious relationship.
Also what will be with that girl if she is genuine? Don't you think it hurts?

Kvinna,

 Easy to remove the information here, yes.

 If I remember correctly when TC came here he stated he was only looking for a penpal. I do not know if this intention has changed or not. I do believe that he is rather mixed up in trying to figure out what he wants. This last post of his says to me that this is more than likely a way to forget about his personal issues/troubles rather than a sincere search for a friend or a partner.

 If she is real then yes, she would more than likely be hurt by this. I still believe that this is a very big "If". Perhaps she will find her way here and tell her side of the story. I'm sure that if someone wanted to search for her she could be found from the information posted here to get her side of the story. In the end, without meeting him or her we only have our impressions of the poster and the letters to go on. No real way to tell if either one of them is real.

Ken

[groovlstk]

I'm sorry but I don't see anything useful in this at all, especially the chat log stuff. What good does it do anyone? There have been guys posting full correspondence with scammers here in the past, and it was as useless a hog of bandwidth then as it is now.

Anyone who does even a tiny bit of research knows the triggers to watch for in a scammer's letters: he/she has a visa but is a few $$ short on the airline ticket, mom's in the hospital and there's no money for her treatment, she's in love with you after a few letters and needs $ for internet/travelling to meet you in another city, etc.

Everything in between is filler, why bother posting it?

[BC]

Everything in between is filler, why bother posting it?

My guess is a 'feel good' pill - but I ain't swallowing it.

[tim 360]

Indeed Groove, why bother? 

[SANDRO43]

Before I start posting my replies and her replies, is the general consensus of this board feel that it has value and interest?

I tried to be more diplomatic before, but apparenty you didn't get the hint and now you're also posting lengthy chats.

As you may now (hopefully) gather from other recent posts , the explicit answer is: NO.

[TC]

That chat post shouldn't have happened. It was a poor decision while under the influence. I'll apologize for it now and ask the mods to delete it.

It was shocking though that some gut on the west coast, obviously from this site, posed as a Russian woman and tried to work me for some reason. But that kind of rediculas shame is way off track on why I created this thread. Again, Im very sorry for that post. 

While I think this thread does have value to some degree, I will concede that what Groove said was very accurate. Upon reflecting on this, it will stop now.

TC



 

[Jack]

TC we have had a few threads in the past where guys have shown a scammers first through last e-mail (beginning to end) and busting them.  I have done a few of these post's myself.  But each time I was 100% sure the woman (igor) was a scammer.

I think you are still in the learning stage and until your able to ID a scammer for sure, which takes time, experience, then it's best you keep what you are learning to yourelf but read what others have posted before you in the scammers section. Can be quite entertaining and educational.

With regards to some man/woman from RWD messing with you on this other chat line, yea, I would say a real good chance that one of our Russian women members might have taken all of half a second to decide to screw with you.

[rose]

I have a question.
I'm not an experienced in writing to foreign men, I got married a guy I met in real life. So, the question is: do you often receive such letters? Each sentence at the separate line. Written as if person who writes is retarded. Or maybe it's just seems to me, and in reality it's just a lack of English that makes her letters so crippled?
Another question: assuming that the style of the letters was because of the lack of English, don't you see, she doesn't reply your questions. There is an abstract letter to abstract person, nothing personal toward you, just your name in the beginning. Again, assuming that this is a normal real person, how are you going to communicate in real life if she doesn't answer your questions?  And one more: why do you want to waste your time on something what you in advance decided is a scam?
I even don't discuss moral issues, they were discussed already.

[Jeff Mowatt]

Rose, I had to laugh when I read that. My girlfriend of a couple of years ago was answering letters for her sister. To them it was all the same, whether she wrote or translated it. She showed me a few, which of course I could understand as a native English speaker used to our slang expressions.

Lots of these guys were writing in the same way and she'd be asking "Is this really an English person or maybe he's from India?"
 
I said, "why not introduce me and I'll explain that you're serious, as the sister of my girlfriend" which was met with.

"Are you crazy, we just don't do these things"

Jeff

[purpletib]

Wow, there is a lot of hostility here about the posting of the letters in question.  I had a very similar situation about a year ago.  I never posted any of the letters on a forum, but I was actually relatively convinced it seemed SOMEWHAT legit.  The letters posted here have a LOT of similarities.  She had mentioned a couple of bands that she liked to listen to.  Me, being very involved in all types of music, decided to research them.  Boy was I surprised to not find any info on these groups, but rather cookie cutter letters posted on a scam site!  She/he never got to the point of asking for money, but I was so ticked I sent a nasty reply back confronting them.  Never heard a peep again.  At least I got some great pics of a beautiful girl, and some knowledge if nothing else.     It still shocks me the length people will go to steal money.  Playing on the heartstrings of people in other countries seems like one of the worst!

[Jeff Mowatt]

I'm surprised there's not more hostility now I read back on this thread.

A man decides to give a blow-by-blow account of meeting a "scammer" and publishes each of their letters on a website. Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me. Why bother if you suspect a scam from the beginning? Unless this is just a hobby, what's the point?

It doesn't come with a guarantee. I lost out in the end, as do many but over a period of about 10 years, I'd written, sometimes getting something back which in retrospect I should have been wary but often as not a plausible response from half-a-dozen girls in that decade. Each time I'd focussed on one only and followed it through, making a point of getting there to find out rather that conducting an eternal mail exchange.

Nobody tried to "clean me out" at $3 a shot for email.In fact from the beginning I'd always made a point of paying for her mail costs, which many find reasonable. A letter about a dying mother needing treatment probably isn't but those who really wanted to prove this had a way to find out. A man called Howard Ketley in St Petersburg, as a "radio ham" and Russian speaker kept in touch with doctors in hospitals all over Russia and would as a favour check out the stories for those who weren't sure.

Later we began to see a plague of these "anti-scam" sites. They carry a label, so you won't come to harm. Right?

Then there were the blacklists. Easy enough to do when you have the bandwidth and they can't easily answer back. "Identity witheld" writes from Iowa with a picture that probably came from a magazine and letters that were probably written by another man. "In Russia there are criminals" he protests and I'm embarrassed to say that I did it myself once.       





 

[TC]

Jeff

Im actually a little surprised as well there wasn't more hostility. On the other hand, maybe on some level, the ones that deeply oppose the tactic, understand the reason behind it taking the edge off the rebuttal. I don't, I cant speak for the opposition.

She wrote me again today. And it was text book cookie cutter reply. I took my name out of the intro and it was a very basic benign letter that could have been written to anyone. Someone a few posts ago, (don't recall who and doesn't matter really) said I came to the wrong site. I think I came to exactly the right site for what I was looking for. I wasn't looking for a Russian Woman. I thought I had one. I was looking to be educated about her. And I have been. So I am much better off with what I have learned.

I have a great deal of appreciation for those that have assisted in this. Thank you.

I may not be on here much at all over the next month. Im flying into LA and making a few stops in Seattle, Dallas, Phoenix and Pittsburgh. (Im from Pittsburgh PA originally). Its a business trip that Im dreading because of the long 9 hour flight into and back out of LA. The little hops aren't so bad.

Thanks
TC