High End Match Making

[Simoni]

LOCAL CULTURE

Local culture?  Several posters here believe there is “a” local culture in a given country or city?  They are WRONG. 

There are many cultures.  And I believe you can and should experience them all.  But to think you can stay in a cheap flat and use only pubic transportation to “experience” local culture is wrong.  You can do that, sure. You’ll experience the bottom of the disadvantaged end of the cultural chain.  But to exclude the thousands of Russian people who live in expensive flats or homes is to miss part of the culture of the city.

Culture is like a salad, with many different parts and tastes.  To stay in a cheap flat thinking you are experiencing local culture is misguided.  I’m staying in a middle priced flat in Ukraine now, and I see hundreds of successful young Ukrainians, who have found a way to thrive in this new economy here. 

I’m glad I’m not missing that portion of the cultural chain.

[jb]

Funnily enough, the "fanciful" rich man's scam story told up thread by Kuna really did happen in the not too distant past.  It even had the very expensive engagement ring in it.  Anyone else remember Franklloyd? 

[Rvrwind]

I just checked out Richard's site last night. I am very impressed Richard!


Maxx

Thanks Maxx, its a work in progress, lots more to come over the next few weeks. How'd you like the new video? Pretty Kool I Think!!
Which reminds me Ken (Catz) did you get my last email?

This thread is almost turning into a slugfest, which I certainly hope we can avoid. I think both sides have some good points. I'll tell you how I am looking at this & some of the things I am plannng.

First lets deal with the Ladies.
To recruit beautiful, intelligent quality ladies that will attract this group of men is going to require some finesse. I must be able to market the men as they are Millionaires, however, at the same time I must protect them from the players. With that in mind I point to my now successful method of charging the ladies a fee to join.
Now keep in mind this is a very exclusive club. These ladies will only be with us, no other company or website will have access to them & they will only be meeting Millionaires.
The criteria for the ladies will be very strict:
Must be 25 - 35 years old.
Can never have been married.
Can not have children.
Must be university Educated.
Must have average English skills.
Must submit to a background check.
Must provide a police report.
Must pay 5000 rouble to be a member. This fee will be to pay for there enrollment & Photo session & to ensure that their motives are genuine. Plus they will go through an intensive interveiw process in Russian & English to be sure they are not faking. I'm considering a phsicological examination as well to be included in that. Their pics & profiles will not be available for veiwing by anyone who is not a paid member of the Club (Name to be thought up yet).

Now for the men.
The men will join the Club over the internet.
For a 10,000 rouble fee they will recieve access to these ladies pics & profiles & can choose to correspond with one or all, correspondence including translations will be included with the cost of membership for a one year term as well as any correspondence or advice sought from me or my staff. I say translations because being as Russian is their first language most prefer to still have the letters translated.
If a man decides to come to meet the ladies he will then pick the package he would prefer. I figure to have two - a 14 day & a 30 day as the basics, any others can be worked out individually.
With this package he gets the following:
Picked up & returned to the airport by limo or luxury sedan (depending on availability)
A luxury room at a 4 or  5 star hotel. (Yes we do have them in Tver, contrary to some opinions.)
A driver with Limo or luxury sedad 24/7.
An interpreter available 24/7.
Unlimited meetings with ladies.
Health Spa membership for the duration of his stay.(Come & go as he Pleases)
Theatre tickets for him, his date & 2 guests if required in Tver or Moscow, every weekend.
Nightclub tickets for him, his date & 2 guests if required in Tver or Moscow, once per week on the days he chooses.
Movie tickets to the English Movie Theatre in Moscow. Once during his trip for him, his date & two guests if required.
Dry cleaning & laundry service, including ironing.
A one day tour of Moscow with a visit to some of the sites but to include the Kemlin & Red Square & a Mueseum or two. (Details to be worked out)
A 2 day trip to SPB to the Peterhoff or if a winter trip to Peter & Pauls Palace. Includes hotel rooms for the driver & interpreter as well as him & his date should he have one.
A one day trip to a small village to spend the day with Babushka & Dadushka, experiencing village life, real Russian foods, Shashlik & Vodka, the staples. LOL.
A 4 - 6 hour cruise on the Volga River to the headwaters & back.
The rest of his time is his to choose what he wants to do.

I may come up with more yet but this is a rough draft of what I am proposing.
All arrangements will be made by us, his artinary planned by us so that we can work it in & around   his dates. The price tag will be considerable to be able to pay all those involved as well as to cover the making of the arrangements & the time involved by me & my staff.

So thats the rough plan.
Does anybody feel that is way out there?
Does anybody feel these guys won'tbe getting there money's worth?
Does anybody think I'm out of my mind?
Does anybody have any ideas they'd like to throw at me?

[Rvrwind]

I did see this list of Kunas:
Ideas: 

- Personality profiling...  looking for synergistic personalities - not just hot bodies;Looking into that aspect of it but I assure you, I am a very good judge of character.
- Counselling and professional advice (on relationships and by professionals... not from someone telling you his opinion on a girl after a casual conversation... I see little value in those opinions)Looking into this as well
- Arranging a NICE long term apartment for a man wanting to stay 3 months or more;No proble, already capable of doing that
- Investment advice - A property agent that can be trusted;Leary on this as purchasing property here is very tricky & in my opinion so convoluted as to be near impossible or at least for the present, unwise for most foreigners
- Intensive language courses while in FSU (I believe that's the best place to learn Russian);Already have that available on our site
- Tutoring on Russian history and culture (something My Girl appreciated was the fact that I sought out information about her city, country, it's history and cultural highlights)... I believe many men going to FSU on this journey don't even consider it...  Possible, but I think most of this set would not consider it important to know

[Wayne B]

 

There are many cultures.  And I believe you can and should experience them all.  But to think you can stay in a cheap flat and use only pubic transportation to “experience” local culture is wrong.  You can do that, sure. You’ll experience the bottom of the disadvantaged end of the cultural chain.  But to exclude the thousands of Russian people who live in expensive flats or homes is to miss part of the culture of the city.

 

Simoni, let me see if I understand you.....because my wife used to live in a not so expensive flat and used public transportation.....she is at the bottom of the cultural chain

[jb]

Simoni,

I think I know what you meant to say, however you should stop and think a minute.  Some of the highest cultural positions often pay the poorest wages.  Some of my wife's University mates who stayed on in academia are among the best educated in Russia, yet they live in grinding poverty.  Others who are artists are virtually starving, and a concert violinist we know wears threadbare clothes and lives extremely modestly.  These are people who love their culture and art, it just doesn't pay very well.

[SANDRO43]

and use only pubic transportation  to “experience” local culture is wrong.

Aahh, the mystery of sex tourism finally explained (sorry Wayne, too good a Freudian slip to resist ).

[Mir]

Kuna

Different people think differently, and that goes for both men and women.

There will be women in FSU who are so fed up with their life there that they would like to leave and would not miss much of the culture and life they leave behind. You might say that such women make bad wives, but that is not true. There will be many women who would make great wives, just that their own and parents life experiences have made them decide that giving up on their home country/culture/even language to start a life in a new country is not such a bad idea. It is possible that when you have a relationship with such women there is no real need for learning Russian or understanding much of the Russian culture.

[Simoni]

No access to a computer- so I can't say much.

But the truth is that a chain has on bottom or top...no b eginning or end. All links are valued.  Hapiness is not dependent upon how much money you earn.

[BC]

RVR,

You still haven't 'got it' IMHO.

First you would ask the client what he desires.. then you would go look for possible candidates OUTSIDE of the agency circuit who meet the requirements.. women who have never even considered the venture, were never posted on an agency website.

In fact they wouldn't even know what you were after, at least at the early stages..

Can't you see it?  Mister Maximillons marries a girl Joe Blow and a host of others dated at her MOB agency.. National Enquirer time!~ and you are ruined.  Last thing in the world these guys are willing to pay for.

You would probably be surprised with your must be 25 to 35, never married, no kids etc criteria.. people have diverse ideas of a mate..  remember arm candy is available anywhere, any time.  Something more is being sought.

Rubles?.. take your amounts and try USD, or even EUR.. as a starter.. maybe even as retainer.. -after all you will invest countless hours.. even months finding that needle in the haystack just for him.

KenC,

You are spot on with your last posts..

[Simoni]

JB- yes, you understood what I meant to say. And your post is exactly correct-artists and academics don't make much money but are among the highest contributors to culture.

My point is that one needs to meet different cultural groups to even begin to understand culture.

[TigerPaws]

Thanks Maxx, its a work in progress, lots more to come over the next few weeks. How'd you like the new video? Pretty Kool I Think!!
Which reminds me Ken (Catz) did you get my last email?

This thread is almost turning into a slugfest, which I certainly hope we can avoid. I think both sides have some good points. I'll tell you how I am looking at this & some of the things I am plannng.

First lets deal with the Ladies.
To recruit beautiful, intelligent quality ladies that will attract this group of men is going to require some finesse. I must be able to market the men as they are Millionaires, however, at the same time I must protect them from the players. With that in mind I point to my now successful method of charging the ladies a fee to join.
Now keep in mind this is a very exclusive club. These ladies will only be with us, no other company or website will have access to them & they will only be meeting Millionaires.
The criteria for the ladies will be very strict:
Must be 25 - 35 years old.  Excellent
Can never have been married. I would suggest that you add married and divorced to your pool of available ladies
Can not have children. Good and I would add that the gentleman should seriously consider the very real possibility that the vast majority of ladies would be interested in having a child at some point in the future. Just as clarification.
Must be university Educated. Excellent
Must have average English skills. Ok this makes things easier
Must submit to a background check. Absolutely
Must provide a police report. Absolutely
Must pay 5000 rouble to be a member. This fee will be to pay for there enrollment & Photo session & to ensure that their motives are genuine. Plus they will go through an intensive interveiw process in Russian & English to be sure they are not faking. I'm considering a phsicological examination as well to be included in that. Their pics & profiles will not be available for veiwing by anyone who is not a paid member of the Club (Name to be thought up yet).  Good

Now for the men.
The men will join the Club over the internet.
For a 10,000 ruble fee At the current exchange rate this is $388.91 USD I would suggest you raise rate to at least $750.00 USD and $950.00 USD would be better. I know you like to stay with the internal currency but put your rates in either USD or Euros not Rubles. they will recieve access to these ladies pics & profiles & can choose to correspond with one or all, correspondence including translations will be included with the cost of membership for a one year term as well as any correspondence or advice sought from me or my staff. I say translations because being as Russian is their first language most prefer to still have the letters translated.
If a man decides to come to meet the ladies he will then pick the package he would prefer. I figure to have two - a 14 day & a 30 day as the basics, any others can be worked out individually.
With this package he gets the following:
Picked up & returned to the airport by limo or luxury sedan (depending on availability)
A luxury room at a 4 or  5 star hotel. (Yes we do have them in Tver, contrary to some opinions.)
A driver with Limo or luxury sedad 24/7.
An interpreter available 24/7.
Unlimited meetings with ladies.
Health Spa membership for the duration of his stay.(Come & go as he Pleases)
Theatre tickets for him, his date & 2 guests if required in Tver or Moscow, every weekend.
Nightclub tickets for him, his date & 2 guests if required in Tver or Moscow, once per week on the days he chooses.
Movie tickets to the English Movie Theatre in Moscow. Once during his trip for him, his date & two guests if required.
Dry cleaning & laundry service, including ironing.
A one day tour of Moscow with a visit to some of the sites but to include the Kemlin & Red Square & a Mueseum or two. (Details to be worked out)
A 2 day trip to SPB to the Peterhoff or if a winter trip to Peter & Pauls Palace. Includes hotel rooms for the driver & interpreter as well as him & his date should he have one.
A one day trip to a small village to spend the day with Babushka & Dadushka, experiencing village life, real Russian foods, Shashlik & Vodka, the staples. LOL.
A 4 - 6 hour cruise on the Volga River to the headwaters & back.
The rest of his time is his to choose what he wants to do.

Richard all of the above sounds excellent and looks to be a great start.

I may come up with more yet but this is a rough draft of what I am proposing.
All arrangements will be made by us, his artinary planned by us so that we can work it in & around   his dates. The price tag will be considerable to be able to pay all those involved as well as to cover the making of the arrangements & the time involved by me & my staff.

So thats the rough plan.
Does anybody feel that is way out there?
Does anybody feel these guys won'tbe getting there money's worth?
Does anybody think I'm out of my mind? That is a subjective question but in this instance it is a good business move.
Does anybody have any ideas they'd like to throw at me?

[I/O]

Does anybody have any ideas they'd like to throw at me?

Yep...!!  A few months ago it was all for getting out of Russia and doing something somewhere else.  Where would you operate this from?

I/O

[Turboguy]

JB- yes, you understood what I meant to say. And your post is exactly correct-artists and academics don't make much money but are among the highest contributors to culture.

Well, often the artistic people make tons of money, just after they are dead.  Look at Van Gogh.  He lined up all his paintings of which he had only sold one in his life and he and his brother discussed if he had talent or not.   The next day he killed himself.  Now just one of his paintings would put someone in the class for TP's service he is talking about.  Look at Elvis.  He did quite well while he was alive but much better after he was dead.

Richard,  The secret is for your services to cost far more than those of the competion and for it to be worth every penny for those who choose to use it.

[Mir]

TB

Not all artists make more money after death.
It might be true of many painters but not of singers.
Elvis certainly had anything he desired when he was alive and IMO is not a good example of dead artists doing better the live ones.

[Turboguy]

I think the world is changing for the better that way.   Some of the artists are able to franchise their abilities to make a fortune while they are alive.   Look at Thomas Kincaide.  He has been able to get rich and franchise his art so that anyone who wants can have an Original (print  :usdeyes:  ) hanging in their home.   

I agree, singers who are not rich and famous while they are alive rarely become so after they die with perhaps a few exceptions.

[Jet]

Does anyone else here find it odd at all that this business plan is being developed on an open message board and not by PM?

Richard,  The secret is for your services to cost far more than those of the competion and for it to be worth every penny for those who choose to use it.

Richard, before you start seeing rublee falling from the sky, understand that you will bust your @ss to cultivate and keep this clientel, in ways you've yet to imagine. I'm not trying to dissuade you from heading in this direction, but I've worked on homes and yachts for these type of client, many times over the years, and if you thought RW were demanding, fickle, and unforgiving - you ain't seen nothing yet  . Charge whatever you need to charge, but it better go off PERFECT the first time, as there won't be a second time otherwise. Think about having multiple redundant systems in place for everything because this type of customer is not going to entertain ANY excuses. Cars breaking down, bad weather, restaurant issues, ladies not showing up on time, and accommodations that aren't *exactly* what they expected are not their problem, they're YOUR problem, that's what you're getting paid for. It is much more demanding than dealing with "regular folk" and can stress you out to the extreme, quickly.

[BC]

Does anyone else here find it odd at all that this business plan is being developed on an open message board and not by PM?

Why do you think we're trying to bump his prices?... gotta figure in our cut.. we need witnesses..

 

[TigerPaws]

Rvrwind,

I am going to agree with Jet, from what I have seen so far your baseline prices are to cheap, raise them at least by a factor of 3 in order to better cover yourself. If I am paying for first class I expect first class without excuses.

We stopped at Parrot Cay in the Turks & Caicos for several days a couple of months ago, this a very luxurious Caribbean resort and spa, everything is totally first class and they charge accordingly. We had a great time with no complaints or issues and we will go back, their staff to guest ratio is better than 3 to 1 and they boast that no request to big or to small.

TigerPaws

[Wayne B]

Just some thoughts from an average 'Joe'  Some think that aquired wealth makes them....well smarter than the A/J. Al Gore comes to my mind with aquired wealth       I thought that RWD was about trying to learn more or as much as one can about FSU Women?  Is their 'culture' not important in trying to learn how they think?    If one is not interested in learning about their culture, and thinks it not important....then, how can someone say they know more about their wife/gf and what they are going through?  why not stay and look in your own country for a 'like I' person?   For the future about some men only having 2 weeks vacation....I am a shift worker and the 2 weeks can become 4 weeks....3 1/2 days on 3 1/2 days off....  The 'culture' thing is important to me and my wife, and we have discussed many times that if we are fortunate enough to have children...that we want them to be fluent in both cultures      

[Turboguy]

Personally I don't see much tie in between learning culture and a high end match making service.   Yes most of us want to  be immersed in the culture of our ladies country and want to understand the world she came from and how she thinks and to accept her life as part of her and part of our marriage.

The cold hard reality of it is that not everyone is so oriented.   Some just want to pay a premium price to find the highest quality woman "their money can buy".  (Maybe not enviable but true to an extent).

The other cold hard reality is there are some very beautiful and desireable women who dream of a life of luxury and elegance and to obtain that life they will work hard, make sacrifices and at times will look harder at the life they will have than who they will share it with.   Actually most highly successful people do possess a lot of other desirable qualities.

When they had the short lived TV series of very dubious distinction "Who wants to marry a millionare" or what ever it was called they did not seem to lack for beautiful applicants.   Look at the high end American matchmaking services.  They do well because the women paying high fees to join know they will be matched with men who are cream of the crop and well above yahoo and match.com quality guys.

The world is not perfect.  Fortunes are often made catering to those imperfections.

[TigerPaws]

Al Gore is an idiot, ok so what I agree.

Wayne B we have met a number of Russian/American couples over the years and some are not interested in teaching their children anything about their mothers Russian language or culture and while I do not agree with that it is not mine or anyone elses to question their decision.

Nothing anywhere says an American man must learn anything about the culture and language of a lady from the FSU, now I agree he would benefit from learning some and it will most likely help in a sucessful relationship but it is not mandatory as we have some who have not.

There is not right or wrong with this issue.

TigerPaws

[TigerPaws]

Personally I don't see much tie in between learning culture and a high end match making service.   Yes most of us want to  be immersed in the culture of our ladies country and want to understand the world she came from and how she thinks and to accept her life as part of her and part of our marriage.

The cold hard reality of it is that not everyone is so oriented.   Some just want to pay a premium price to find the highest quality woman "their money can buy".  (Maybe not enviable but true to an extent).

The other cold hard reality is there are some very beautiful and desireable women who dream of a life of luxury and elegance and to obtain that life they will work hard, make sacrifices and at times will look harder at the life they will have than who they will share it with.   Actually most highly successful people do possess a lot of other desirable qualities.

When they had the short lived TV series of very dubious distinction "Who wants to marry a millionare" or what ever it was called they did not seem to lack for beautiful applicants.   Look at the high end American matchmaking services.  They do well because the women paying high fees to join know they will be matched with men who are cream of the crop and well above yahoo and match.com quality guys.

The world is not perfect.  Fortunes are often made catering to those imperfections.

 

[Makkin]

Tigerpaws,

  Thanks for the great posts and experienced opinions that you make here.
   
   I agree with you on many issues and am glad to hear that you have a great result of seven years with a woman from fsu. You are a good model here and I'm hoping you continue to post and help others such as myself with your realistic and easy to understand experiences.

Makkin

[Simoni]

Kuna- in response to your suiggestion--yes, I know Pastoral well.  In fact, it was my first date with my wife 2 years ago :-). We plan to recreate that date during our vacation in Dnepr this summer-from the place we met on European. Square to the table where we shared our first meal at Pastoral to our walk on the Dnepr river bridge :-)