High End Match Making

[BC]

There is not right or wrong with this issue.

Well surely 'recommend' or 'do not recommend' is much better than 'do whatever you want, it won't make a difference'..

[IAmZon]

I was introduced to a online single site last weekend (again business purposes), millionairematch.com

Evidentially, men must proved income over 150 K annually - which is NOT a millionaire   But whatever. 

Jimmy Buffet wrote a less popular song ... "another example of love in decline."

[TigerPaws]

rivardco,
 Like it or not money talks and if you do not believe it just try keeping a lady without it. 

TigerPaws

[IAmZon]

TP ...

It is not for me to like, or dislike.   accept. 

Therefore, for the foreseeable future I will be the fastest rat in the race:)

[TigerPaws]

rivardco,

Are you planning on heading over the pond to meet with a lady or two anytime soon?

TigerPaws

[IAmZon]

Again, I wish to stress!!!  This thread was started by me doing research for possible service development (again - not by me or any company I own, or in which I plan to have equity).  I would prefer to go as KUNA and DKMM and others before me.

Yes, TP ... I am planning a trip. 

It will be a year in October that I found RWD. In that time, I have dated several RW already in the US as students.  I have met friends from RWD, who have encouraged me to visit the Dniper area of Ukraine.  So, now I have begun developing prospects for that WMVM trip.  Depending on my current business projects, I will be able to go in September / October.  I have made arrangements to my working schedule (if the first trip goes well), to make frequent trips thereafter. 

While I have been writing, the geographic range of possibilities has opened to an unmanageable area for any one trip.  So my Dniper trip will be a primer ... who knows maybe I will get lucky

[Simoni]

Riv; Dnepr is a wise choice- a beautiful city with a Rio type atmosphere alone it's river- and filled with some of the most beautiful women in the world. I know- I'm here now :-)

[jb]

Best roll up your pant legs, the BS is getting too deep to save your shoes,

[Simoni]

Hey! What do you expect me to say? I'm happy, I'm drunk, I'm with beaituful women who are also drunk.  And it's only 10:30 p.m. here.  Only problem is I'm already getting a hangover! LOL

[Rvrwind]

Yep...!!  A few months ago it was all for getting out of Russia and doing something somewhere else.  Where would you operate this from?

Not to worry I/O, I'm still going back.This will take a bit of time to organize, if I go forward with it, & should it pan out I may not have to stay back as long as expected. At this point it is mere speculation & investigation.

Does anyone else here find it odd at all that this business plan is being developed on an open message board and not by PM?

Why Jet, bigger audience here providing feedback quicker & faster.

Think about having multiple redundant systems in place for everything because this type of customer is not going to entertain ANY excuses. Cars breaking down, bad weather, restaurant issues, ladies not showing up on time, and accommodations that aren't *exactly* what they expected are not their problem, they're YOUR problem, that's what you're getting paid for. It is much more demanding than dealing with "regular folk" and can stress you out to the extreme, quickly.

Yes, a deffinite fly in the ointment, thats why I have to carefully consider this before going forward. A lot of the services I will be offering will be handled by other party's & I have to be able to have some control over them if this is going to work.

First you would ask the client what he desires.. then you would go look for possible candidates OUTSIDE of the agency circuit who meet the requirements.. women who have never even considered the venture, were never posted on an agency website.

In fact they wouldn't even know what you were after, at least at the early stages..

Impossible.... Unless the woman has considered this route at one time or another & been involved in it, at one time or another she won't be inclined to join. Its bloody tough trying to recruit women for a regular agency, for this it will be tougher still.

I am going to agree with Jet, from what I have seen so far your baseline prices are to cheap, raise them at least by a factor of 3 in order to better cover yourself. If I am paying for first class I expect first class without excuses.

Thats why I put it out there for your critique & for the most part at this point those were mere off the top of my head guesses. Until I get quotes back from those I will be contracting the services from I can make no definitive price quotes. I will keep in mind what I learn here from you guys.

I know you like to stay with the internal currency but put your rates in either USD or Euros not Rubles.

Its not that I like to stay with the local currency its that as of late if I have my prices in US $'s & don't change them on my website weekly at a minimum, I lose money. Even in roubles I lose when a guy pays through our PayPal account. Why? Because the rate quoted by the currency converter is what he gets in the US, in Tver we get usually 30 - 50 kopecks per $ less. On large sums, it adds up. Not too mention the extra bank fees we are charged for transferring the funds.
Many guys don't realize the hidden costs that they don't see & never will & I still make every effort to keep my prices reasonable & they still nickel & dime me to death. There is no winning for me.
The thing about this venture is there will be very few prices to change as they are all inclusive packages, so changing them when necessary won't be a big hassle & I can therefore put them in US funds for the Currency Converter Challenged, LOL.

As I said, at this point its more to feel out the prospects & later I'll get to the nitty gritty. I am doubtful I will be able to implement it before I leave for Canada, too much work involved. A lot of it I can get rolling while I am in Canada & perhaps I can boot it backover to tie some of the loose ends up. Until I get enough eligible ladies & men who are willing to join, my role will be minimal. After however I think it will be crucial for me to be on the ground in Tver to manage these clients personally. Lets face it, for the money they are going to pay, I'm sure I can hop a plane & pop over to make sure all goes well & return when their trip is done if necessary.

[MaxxumUSA]

Again, I wish to stress!!!  This thread was started by me doing research for possible service development (again - not by me or any company I own, or in which I plan to have equity).  I would prefer to go as KUNA and DKMM and others before me.

Yes, TP ... I am planning a trip. 

It will be a year in October that I found RWD. In that time, I have dated several RW already in the US as students.  I have met friends from RWD, who have encouraged me to visit the Dniper area of Ukraine.  So, now I have begun developing prospects for that WMVM trip.  Depending on my current business projects, I will be able to go in September / October.  I have made arrangements to my working schedule (if the first trip goes well), to make frequent trips thereafter. 

While I have been writing, the geographic range of possibilities has opened to an unmanageable area for any one trip.  So my Dniper trip will be a primer ... who knows maybe I will get lucky

Riv,

I have been reading your posts and replies and blah and blah.  I don't mean this in a bad way.  What I am trying to say is that it seems that you are doing plenty of research.

Please take my advice here - and it is simple.  Just start talking to some real women.  Narrow those women down to a few you are interested in meeting in person.  Be  honest with the women - send and receive plenty of photos and get real contact information.  THEN go visit.  Very simple.  No need to talk on Internet for 6 months - just get there in a few weeks.

I think you are making this out to be too much of a big deal.  It is not.  It's just a plane ride to meet a woman.  If you hit it off and you both have the same intentions in life - THEN it might be a big deal.

Don't do a WMVM IMO.  If anything do a WMVfew.  And IMO you should not limit yourself to one city or town.  You should limit yourself to finding the woman that might be your other half.  Wherever she is - and I can almost promise you she is out there - wherever she is - she is waiting for you.  Find her.  Visit her.  Sweep her off her feet.  Then... if all continues well...  marry her.

Good luck...  I hope you consider my post.

- David

[DKMM]

One woman per town.  That's my advice.

[Sort]

I will go to Odessa on July 23'rd.
I have set a meeting with "one" woman that i have corresponded with for a few months.
I have deleted my profile on the dating sites and have talked to her true her agency.
I will meet her the first time at the agency but if she wants more meeting it is not gonna be at the agency or using the agency's interpreter.
I have a friend in Odessa and his wife is happy to be our own interpreter.
And she will make sure that i am not meeting a money milker again as i did the first time.

I have high hopes on this woman and i will let ya know how it went.
So please have ya fingers crossed and hope for a "crazy Swede" to meet his future wife in a few weeks.

[DKMM]

Sounds like a much better plan than a high end matchmaking service Sort.  Make sure you keep an eye on your wallet!

[Simoni]

I will go to Odessa on July 23'rd.
I have set a meeting with "one" woman that i have corresponded with for a few months.
I have deleted my profile on the dating sites and have talked to her true her agency.
I will meet her the first time at the agency but if she wants more meeting it is not gonna be at the agency or using the agency's interpreter.
I have a friend in Odessa and his wife is happy to be our own interpreter.
And she will make sure that i am not meeting a money milker again as i did the first time.

I have high hopes on this woman and i will let ya know how it went.
So please have ya fingers crossed and hope for a "crazy Swede" to meet his future wife in a few weeks.

Sort, I hate to rain on your parade, but I would be remiss NOT to encourage you to have backup.

You see, before I met my wife Marina, I did four trips like you describe.  In every case, the girl was not like the girl I had written. Or, our chemistry was not right together.

Think of it this way.  Walk out on the street.  Tap a girl on the shoulder.  Marry her.

Sure, you have a little better chance than that.  But to believe that one girl you have written is your dream girl is well....dreaming.

Every newbie thinks to himself, others messed up but i am different, I am special, I'll do it myself.  Then a year later they appear on RWD, encouraging men to have back up plans.

But I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

Good luck!

[Jet]

Sort, I hate to rain on your parade, but I would be remiss NOT to encourage you to have backup.

Perhaps you could lighten up, just a touch, Simoni 

1) He's meeting her the first time at the agency (that means if it falls through, he can go back to that agency)

2) He's from Sweden, not San Fransisco, it's close enough that he could make "weekend trips" for a while if need be, without breaking the bank either.

[Simoni]

I agree, Jet.  I was simply suggesting he did indeed need backup.

Failure can come if the girl does not like the man. Or if the man does not like the girl.

Language and cultural barriers also come into play. So when Sort wrote he had pulled his profile from the agency, I took it to mean he would have no backup.

We have seen one trip wonders here, but they are rare.

[MaxxumUSA]

I "hid" my profile after talking with my Elena only about 10 days.  For me I wanted to give her my complete attention without distraction.  She did the same after finding out that my profile was hidden.  IIRC I asked that she hide hers also so we could focus on each other.  She told me she was happy to do so as she was not writing or responding to anyone but me anyway.

For the record we went from using the website email to direct contact in two or three emails.

BTW - we are engaged and very happy now.

FWIW - on my last visit she revealed that I would have had little chance with her if I was meeting other women on that first visit.  I told her right then and there - I did not come to meet russian women.  I came to meet MY woman only - her - and it just so happens that she is russian.

[Sort]

Take it easy now guys.
I have not set this trip only to meet this woman.
I do have a backup plan.
If things doesn't work between us i will enjoy my stay in Odessa anyway.

I will meet her at the agency the first time but it will be only that time.
If she thinks i am a match for her she will agree to meet me with my friend the next day, if not.....bye-bye

Yes i am from Sweden.
I work in Oslo in Norway and have a few weeks ago moved out from the apartment i had in Sweden.
I was never home and it was a waist of money paying the rent.
I can now very easy get on a plane and be in Ukraine several times a year.
I can plan my work so i work for 3-4 weeks and then be off for 1-2 weeks.
Thats my life now and i have no rush with this woman.
I am very interested in her and want her to feel the same for me.
But time will tell and i will get back to this subject when i get back to Oslo.
I will be in Odessa from 23'rd of July to 2'nd of August.

[Simoni]

Take it easy now guys.
I have not set this trip only to meet this woman.
I do have a backup plan.

Glad to hear this, Start. Good luck with the girl!

~Si

[Kuna]

rivardco,
 Like it or not money talks and if you do not believe it just try keeping a lady without it. 

TigerPaws

Correction:

rivardco,

Like it or not money talks IF YOU'RE SEEKING A LADY THAT ONLY SPEAKS THAT LANGUAGE!



Dude... please remember the "man" that says money talks also said suggested understanding a RW's culture or language has little value in this process. 

By the way... I can write in a large blue font too!   

Of course a stable income is important for security in any relationship but don't let anyone try to convince you that a GOOD GIRL in FSU seeking marriage these days looks at money first.

I only met two women who I'd written to prior to my trip (call me a novice... I don't care) but let me assure you that the type of women I was seeking weren't interested primarily in money - but they ABSOLUTELY were interested in meeting a man who had at least tried to understand her culture and language...

Like you, I'm lucky... I make an OK income...  some seem to think success is tied to income.  It's just not the case anymore FOR GOOD GIRLS!

Relying on money or citizenship in the current environment will only attract a certain type of girl in my opinion.  Being ignorant to culture and language would also be a BIG disadvantage for a man seeking a serious relationship in this day and age... It might have been different 7 years ago but I know from experience that MANY women are very discerning now days!

I guess it depends on what type of man you are, and what type of women you are trying to meet - and most importantly... what type of relationship you hope to have after marriage!

[Sort]

So Kuna.
You mean that i shall tell the women that i am trying to learn and want to learn to speak Russian and learn about there culture.
But leave out that i make 4000$/month after tax?


I know and really hope that i will meet a good girl this trip to Odessa.
I got a friend and his wife in Odessa and they will help me find a good one.
If i meet someone i let them talk to her and they will see in minutes if she is a MM"money-milker" or for real.

Btw.
about my salary......it's true

[KenC]

Correction:

rivardco,

Like it or not money talks IF YOU'RE SEEKING A LADY THAT ONLY SPEAKS THAT LANGUAGE!



Dude... please remember the "man" that says money talks also said suggested understanding a RW's culture or language has little value in this process. 

By the way... I can write in a large blue font too!   

Of course a stable income is important for security in any relationship but don't let anyone try to convince you that a GOOD GIRL in FSU seeking marriage these days looks at money first.

I only met two women who I'd written to prior to my trip (call me a novice... I don't care) but let me assure you that the type of women I was seeking weren't interested primarily in money - but they ABSOLUTELY were interested in meeting a man who had at least tried to understand her culture and language...

Like you, I'm lucky... I make an OK income...  some seem to think success is tied to income.  It's just not the case anymore FOR GOOD GIRLS!

Relying on money or citizenship in the current environment will only attract a certain type of girl in my opinion.  Being ignorant to culture and language would also be a BIG disadvantage for a man seeking a serious relationship in this day and age... It might have been different 7 years ago but I know from experience that MANY women are very discerning now days!

I guess it depends on what type of man you are, and what type of women you are trying to meet - and most importantly... what type of relationship you hope to have after marriage!

You know Kuna,
Even if you type in blue, your thinking is always black and white.  You think it is important to learn Russian and all about your girl's culture which is also important to her.  Great!  You two found each other.  But just because others think differently, does not make them wrong or make their women bad.  Your's is not the only way to do this.

You ask us to "please remember the man", maybe you should remember that he has already experienced 7 years of marriage and you have yet to experience it at all.

You say "it is not the case for good girls" when referring to success/high income.  Does that make Mrs. Tigerpaws a "bad girl"?  Who are you to judge how high of an income is too high and will attract "bad girls"?  You say you make an "OK" income.  Did you ever think that to a Ukrainian girl you too are a rich man?

You say "relying on money and citizenship" will only attract the wrong kind of woman.  How can you be so absolutely sure?  How can you be absolutely sure that your income and citizenship didn't make the "Kuna package" more desirable?  The answer is: You don't know how much your income and citizenship really influenced your girl.  None of us do.

You have yet to enter matrimony with your UW and yet you seem to think that it is only you that has all the answers and men like Tigerpaws that have been successfully married for 7 years (and fathered children) with his RW don't have a clue.  It ain't all black and white, Kuna and you need to start thinking about all the grey areas too.
KenC

[Wayne B]

Damit ya'll are hard on my friend Kuna......I see it like this, if you are a nice looking man...you don't need money to attract a nice looking wife....If you are a not to good looking man....then you will need a lot of money.....to secure your nice looking wife.....fact is fact...truth is truth....

[KenC]

Damit ya'll are hard on my friend Kuna......I see it like this, if you are a nice looking man...you don't need money to attract a nice looking wife....If you are a not to good looking man....then you will need a lot of money.....to secure your nice looking wife.....fact is fact...truth is truth....

Not hard on "Kuna" at all, just questioning his ideas.  And it isn't as simple as you make it sound either.
KenC