NO WAY I'm GETTING SCAMMED ... but

[I/O]

Real RW just don't think and write like that.  Even if one did, would you want such a flake for a wife?

Exactly, on both counts...!!!

I/O

[Mir]

Words written in a different language do change their meaning in translation. Words of a single post cannot be taken as an absolute reason for deciding the intentions of a women you are corresponding.
I have this lady I am in contact with, defiantly she exists as she answers her phone whenever I ring. Her last email reads:

Hello Mir!How are you?If it is interesting to you, I shall write more about the family in which I live now! I live with the daddy and mum and my sister Irina. We love and understand each other . Father has for me the big authority, I would like to have such person near me  . Mother - very good and a little the severe woman, never  indulged me. We live very modestly, we have only 2 rooms in an apartment, but we do not complain on our life! Yes, certainly, my parents wish the best life for me but while nobody cries also everyone try to help each other! Now I work as the doctor of therapy, I receive only 100$ in a month and 6 days a week for 8 hours work! I get tired very much , not always it turns out to be engaged in favourite affairs, to prepare and meet friends. Therefore while work at all does not please me. I dream to leave in marriage for the person who can provide to me a life, in all its pleasures! I do not want to think what tomorrow to have a meal, or what to dress. I want to travel and enjoy a life. In exchange I shall be the most loving and passionate the wife in the world!The mum and the daddy love each other, but they always did not have money and consequently feelings have died away! I do not want it!

And what you about it think????! Natasha



Is she a desprate woman just looking to get out? Is this a huge red flag?

[I/O]

Mir:  Have you met this woman?  If not I'd be taking steps, big long ones.  Looks like the primer for the money bite to me.  I've never seen a genuine Russian woman who would even mention money, much less elude to a difficult life, much less speak about being a passionate wife etc.

Is it a red flag? What colour is fire? I see burnt fingers and empty pockets in my crystal ball.

I/O

[Mir]

I/O

I have not met her.

Yes I agree the caption should be:

Warning, proceed with extreme caution!

[batman]

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ  Letter # 6 she's a ringer!  Kuna - don't eat your hat.  Everyone else don't feed the bears.

I told her that I could care for your well being as a little little sister, and that I she enjoys my continued fondness

 ... AND then I asked her if she had a successful, little more mature, older friend:)

Sorry, I didn't get this. What's a ringer? And what's a little little sister? How does all this = a non scammer?

[tim 360]

Hey Mir, Yes, proceed with caution.  She sounds like she's looking for the ticket to ride and she is not too subtly feeling you up on $$$ at a very early stage.  Usually a nice FSU girl will NOT start talking overmuch about money at the beginning and this one is rather concerned about it.  Looks like she is baiting the hook, Cheers tim360

[IAmZon]

Mir, the text of that letter does not bother me very much.  It is not the first letter, and you have spoken by phone.

It seems an honest answer to the question:  "why do you search on the Internet for a foreign husband."

The honest answer is NOT just to "accidentally find the man of my dreams."  This woman is just appraising her environment and contrasting with others (very similar to what we all have honestly done here).

Regarding materialism, there are two general interests:  one is an affinity for luxury - the kind of person who can never buy enough to be happy; the other is security and a desire to avoid pain. This letter seems to be the later.

[IAmZon]

Obviously, I have been thinking about sincerity (SCAM), and how it is measured through the language barrier lately...

90% of these issues are painfully obvious.  A crazy sexy woman holding her breasts to the camera, her body already shinning from dim lights because of the thin layer of oil covering it.  And the overly inviting, immediate letter.

YOU are my savior... That's easy to see coming a mile away.

I have become aware of other signals that may, or may not be, a concern:
1, overly enthusiastic communication
2, very very vague references of travel and enjoyment (that implies financial means that the RW presumably does not have).

(Has anyone noticed that many - MANY - of the pics that are sent in emails show exotic destinations as backgrounds?)

I have been communicating to several ladies, and one thing that jumps out in my mind is that these BEAUTIFUL and INTELLIGENT ladies HAVE to HAVE CHOICES!?!?!?  I mean there MUST be many eligible RM ... certainly, they receive letters from 50 AM a day.  With these women (who presumably are not prostitutes, or otherwise working for a living), why would they HAVE to compromise one single inch?

My point is that women with choices would be less prone construct a scheme, or communicate artificial statements.

What ye old salts say about this?

[Wayne B]

riv, many of the women go to the Black Sea for their holidays....that would explain some of the exotic photos.....To go to other near by countries, they offten have to have a visa...

[Mir]

Well Riv

That just brings us back to that eternal question, why do these young a beautiful women marry middle age men who speak a different language?
Looks like most men who have managed to marry these women think that the opportunity for a better life does not play the major part in them winning over the women.
It is quite often quoted that people in FSU are now almost as well off as in the West so the economic inequality is not there anymore.
Personally I think that despite the superficial signs of prosperity most people who live in the FSU know that moving to West gives them a chance for a better life.

[catzenmouse]

That just brings us back to that eternal question, why do these young a beautiful women marry middle age men who speak a different language?

Why? Because we're so darn good looking and manly! Silly question Mir! 

Looks like most men who have managed to marry these women think that the opportunity for a better life does not play the major part in them winning over the women.
It is quite often quoted that people in FSU are now almost as well off as in the West so the economic inequality is not there anymore.
Personally I think that despite the superficial signs of prosperity most people who live in the FSU know that moving to West gives them a chance for a better life.

I'd say there are as many reasons are there are women. Some have not found a man they want to be with at home, some want a better future, some want security, some want all of these things and more. Probably be a good question for the ladies here to answer.

Ken

[I/O]

Anyone who thinks the possablity of a lady gaining a more secure lifestyle, greater opportunity for her and her children and so forth is not a factor is deluding themselves. There is a million factors involved but the opportunity enhancement is certainly one of them in many if not all cases. 

Better? Define better.  In my particular example, my fiance' will certainly have some lifestyle improvement by living here, but she and her family are not exactly doing it tough right now.  She had choices at home and she had choices abroad. She was pursued fairly seriously over a period of time by two different, fairly well to do European guys and ultimately turned them down for whatever reason. 

A couple of comments she has made to me which effected her thinking in this respect regarding Australia and me. Multi racial society. Politically stable and secure. Extremely high health status. Climate. Education systems. No border conflicts.  Largely non reliant on other countries for essential supplies. My employment stability and so forth.  All that adds up to stability and security.  Any woman would want that.  I see nothing wrong with that provided it is the precipitant benifit and not the only motivater for an international marriage.

I/O

[DKMM]

This subject applies to women from anywhere.

[IAmZon]

The instance that CAUSED me to start this forum has ended - apparently

You know what gives palm readers and psychics "credibility" to some ... it is the one who perceives the generalities ... the one who fills in the blanks ... the customer!

I see now that I was doing the same thing to everyone of the APPARENTLY tailored and custom letters:)  How hard is it to write my name here or there, to add a sentence.

As soon as I got a little touch - she went away.  And now I see better what KUNA and others say ... you can tell a SCAMMER (insincere) letter a mile away.

Just a follow-up ... BTW none of this correspondence was paid for.

[ScottinCrimea]

You bring up an excellent point.  How many of the men out there who are writing to many are drafting completely different letters for each one.  I'm sure there is a lot of cutting and pasting going on.  I'm not saying that is wrong, to a point, but maybe evidence of this from the RW isn't necessarily a sure sign of a scam.  Are you a scammer if you do the same?

[Kuna]

You bring up an excellent point.  How many of the men out there who are writing to many are drafting completely different letters for each one.  I'm sure there is a lot of cutting and pasting going on.  I'm not saying that is wrong, to a point, but maybe evidence of this from the RW isn't necessarily a sure sign of a scam.  Are you a scammer if you do the same?

Scott,

I wrote individualised letter to all of the girls I was writing to before my first trip (except the first letter... but they were all customised too)... 

It's not easy in the beginning... AND it is time consuming...  but something My Girl said to me was that the reason she responded initially was my name AND the fact that I'd obviously read her profile...

The reason why she kept responding was because the emails were interesting and I asked interresting questions abut her life, values and goals.

Anyone cutting and pasting isn't serious enough - whether they're male or female.

[TigerPaws]

Anyone cutting and pasting isn't serious enough - whether they're male or female.

Kuna,

I very much disagree, during my letter/e-mail writing days (some 8 plus yars ago) I developed a large data base of letters and the cut and paste worked very well for me and saved a great deal of time. Occasionally I would screw the pooch and make a mistake but I was writing dozens of ladies at the same time and would get in a hurry.

I challenge your statement that I was not serious enough sense I traveled to the FSU many times before meeting my lady and still used the cut and paste for a time. Being efficient has nothing to do with being serious.

TigerPaws   

[Kuna]

Kuna,
I very much disagree, during my letter/e-mail writing days (some 8 plus yars ago) I developed a large data base of letters and the cut and paste worked very well for me and saved a great deal of time. Occasionally I would screw the pooch and make a mistake but I was writing dozens of ladies at the same time and would get in a hurry.
TigerPaws   

TigerPaws,

If you're offended at my use of the word "serious" I'm sorry...

May I put it this way?  I feel a man will be more successful if he doesn't take the "cut and paste route" because the women know who is putting some thought and effort into the process, and who's just banging through the maximum number of emails in the hope of hitting the bullseye...

Our different ideas might be the result of the 8 year gap in our searches. Maybe there's different expectations now???

My girl has told me she would get hundreds of emails from "cutters and pasters" and she never responded because she didn't feel like they were serious (Her words... not mine.. tell her she's wrong).

I guess it's the difference between mass marketing and being a little more selective...???

Kuna,
I challenge your statement that I was not serious enough sense I traveled to the FSU many times before meeting my lady and still used the cut and paste for a time. Being efficient has nothing to do with being serious.
TigerPaws   

You can challenge my comments because I'm sure you thought you were serious at the time.

I wonder if we're talking about different things though???

In hindsight, do you think you were serious about fulfilling your desires or serious about your letter writing?

I think you'll find in this day and age women won't think that a man cutting and pasting letters was serious about HER no matter how serious he is about fulfilling his desires...

(Oh, sorry for changing your font...  the old one is annoying - but you know that!)

Kuna

[Mir]

'If though cuts and pasts, do it in a way that the girl does not know it is cut and paste'

[IAmZon]

All ways work.  The lesson is that
A) It is a lot of work.
B) It is a lot of work.
C) It is a lot of work
B) One must be sober.  Do not read VERY much into the letters.

(Did you guys get the response I received from my "Internet Email Dream Girl" last week on a different thread?!?  Nothing that could provide the confidence needed to do a WOVO came from it.  Even when it is good, it is bad.)

BUT .... it is just as bad as dealing with the single scene in the USA - without the hangovers.

I am continuing to respond to letters, and initiate them, but I think it is a low grade activity ... might get lucky like my friend Kuna, might not. 

I got other things going too.

[Kuna]

might get lucky like my friend Kuna, might not. 

Luck???

 

It was damn hard work!

Come on Rivardco... it isn't THAT hard...  put together your key selection criteria then QUALIFY QUALIFY QUALIFY!

[MaxxumUSA]

... might get lucky like my friend Kuna, might not. 

I am the lucky one, Riv.

Without ever being on a forum, I started writing women on Elenas Models.  Within ten days I started skype conversations with my fiancee.  Within a week after that I had plane tickets and visa to visit her for the first time.

Everything went smoothly - even though I traveled deep into russia to meet a stranger without knowing a single word of russian.  Her family and friends enjoy me and I enjoy them all very much.

She's beautiful, friendly, and we're best of friends and lovers.  We never fight  and very rarely argue.  A few minor tiffs but work them out quickly.

Been there three times total so far this year - going back to pick her up and bring her back to the USA on our K-1 end of august.

My Elena was the first russian woman I ever talked to on skype and telephone.  And...  I found her only a few days after starting my search.

After being involved in forums I learned just how lucky I am.

- David

[IAmZon]

Kuna - you are right!  I used the wrong word. Not "hard"; rather "time consuming"

David - you are the lucky one.

Best to both of you.  I hope not to get so lucky for a little while longer:)

[TigerPaws]

TigerPaws,

If you're offended at my use of the word "serious" I'm sorry... No offense taken, just apoint of contention.

May I put it this way?  I feel a man will be more successful if he doesn't take the "cut and paste route" because the women know who is putting some thought and effort into the process, and who's just banging through the maximum number of emails in the hope of hitting the bullseye...

Our different ideas might be the result of the 8 year gap in our searches. Maybe there's different expectations now??? As much as we would like to believe things have changed in the past few years they are still pretty much the same, so no I do not think much has changed.

My girl has told me she would get hundreds of emails from "cutters and pasters" and she never responded because she didn't feel like they were serious (Her words... not mine.. tell her she's wrong). Yes my lady also received hundreds of letters but only a few were translated into Russian and most of the letters looked and read like they were written by a 5th grader. 

I guess it's the difference between mass marketing and being a little more selective...??? Oh! I was selective, very selective it was just than many ladies met my selection criteria.


You can challenge my comments because I'm sure you thought you were serious at the time. No as I said I was very serious it is just that I had a different approach.

I wonder if we're talking about different things though???

In hindsight, do you think you were serious about fulfilling your desires or serious about your letter writing? Yes I was very serious, but I was into the mass marketing for the first few letters at least then the letters had to be more lady specific.

I think you'll find in this day and age women won't think that a man cutting and pasting letters was serious about HER no matter how serious he is about fulfilling his desires... Yes I believe a similar approach would work today, it all depends on how well the man writes and how good his translator is.

(Oh, sorry for changing your font...  the old one is annoying - but you know that!) Please keep it up it add charector to the discussion
Kuna

TigerPaws

[Kuna]

TigerPaws said:

Please keep it up it add charector to the discussion

 

Written like a 5th grader!

 

Seriously though...  I know that YOU know everything but I can assure you things are changing... 

How do I know???  You wear your start 8 years ago like a badge... My best friend here in Oz married a UW 12 years ago and he is the one telling me it's VERY different to "the old days".

The economic climate has improved dramatically for one thing...  The women have been shafted by thousands of Western Men and there is much more caution now as a result of that... 

The type of man now travelling and seeking marriage is also often different these days...

Everything else you said in your response was true... There's many different ways to reach your goals... Mass Marketing just isn't the most efficient - but it'll work for some...

Other variables???  WOVO/WMVM/Agency Powerdating/etc

Guide or no guide...

Age ranges...

We could go on forever but I think we should be able to debate what's effective, efficient, low risk and sensible...  Many things come down to personal choice but some things are just common sense!



I have a question for you... is the big blue text a penis thing?