Guess This is an "Opinion" Rather than an Article... Still...

[Kuna]

I guess we could interpret your experience to say that you and another guy were the only ones with a clue and decent intentions.  Considering 90% to 95% of guys interested in this venture never make it, as a whole, that amounts to little more than 1%.

So.. does this mean that the researchers that write reports about the MOB scene (that we object to), as a whole, are 99% correct in their assessments?

Just throwing the numbers out there but I think there are some thoughts in this direction to chew on..

BC,

I think it depends what outcome we're trying to get to from stats like that! 

I believe MOST men on this pursuit have honest intentions but I feel bad for the ones that haven't sought out some reality before traveling.  Some of the "unprepared guys" write their trips off as a holiday because it's more comforting to say that than "I stuffed up".

There's no doubt there's some scumbags on this journey.... Let's not even talk about them... we know who they are!

Some others just go there without the tools or knowledge to reach the success they hoped for.  Some might resort to a hooker for some fun.  I'm not opposed to prostitution if it's a fair transaction and both parties are willing... I'm most concerned for all of those people (male and female) that are exploited by agencies, scammers, guides and anyone else trying to take advantage of them.

So.. does this mean that the researchers that write reports about the MOB scene (that we object to), as a whole, are 99% correct in their assessments?

99% correct in what assessments?

It depends what the assessments are.

If someone is assertising that 1% of men who start this pursuit will be successful (i.e. a happy sustainable marriage) maybe that IS true.

Are 99% of men sextourists?  No that's wrong!

Are 99% losers?  No, I think that's wrong too.

[I/O]

The snippets from the article are not un typical of what one reads on a variety of subjects.  A cursory academic glance followed by a verbose article which touches here and there on reality and fills in the gaps with speculative opinion.  The author often leans heavily on his or her association with a renowned educational institution in order to try to establish some credibility for the article. Provety is often sadly missing.

Our lauded educational institutions are turning out educated idiots by the hundred every year.  Unfortunately those who are rounded and somewhat complete in their education.....and have a practical view of life are rare.

I've thought a fair amount about the feminist movement vs why some of us seek or marry women from other countries and although my conclusions are far from in depth, a couple of things are beginning to be more and more obvious over time.  Firstly I think it is fair to say one of the major attractions of some foreign women over locals is femininity.  NOT controllability.  I guess I admire many things about my fiance', but one of the stand outs is her powerfully strong personality mixed with the alluring femininity.  She is very far from a "Pushover" in almost every way one likes to imagine, however the thing which is glaringly missing is that ballsiness which pervades so many western women today.

IMO the extreme feminists (Whom I see) suffer from the "Tall Poppy Syndrone" which sadly is all too prevalent in my country and not only in this area.  Have we and in particular, these women become lazy through our easy lifestyle and as a result it is easer to "Cut down the tall poppy" (Those we are too lazy to compete with) rather than actually do something about ourselves? I think the answer is clearly yes. (In general)

The bitter end of the feminist movement is again IMO driven by the sting of rejection. Remember "Hell hath no fury as the woman scorned". As men, we don't handle rejection well.  However, women are just as bad and effectively by pursuing partners from other countries, we have told the locals plainly, "You are not good enough and I want something better".  Try telling that to a woman face to face and watch the reaction. (If you survive to see it) But in essence this is exactly what we are doing. 

I suggest the part of the feminist movement that attacks this pursuit so vigorously is driven at least in part, if not largely by the "Rejection factor".

Perhaps the attractiveness of some Russian women could be summed up in the words of one of my favourite writers.  (Although a religious man, religion is not my reason for deferring often to his writings, but simply his life wisdom) John Newton wrote this of his wife of many years.  (Quote) "A most excellent wife, a faithful friend and judicious counsellor, a woman who I am happy to sit beside whilst she drives the carriage BECAUSE she is wise enough to hand the reins to me when the road becomes difficult to navigate".  I see this trait in many Russian women and I see it missing in many of my country women.

I/O   

[jen]

IMO the extreme feminists (Whom I see) suffer from the "Tall Poppy Syndrone" which sadly is all too prevalent in my country and not only in this area.  Have we and in particular, these women become lazy through our easy lifestyle and as a result it is easer to "Cut down the tall poppy" (Those we are too lazy to compete with) rather than actually do something about ourselves? I think the answer is clearly yes. (In general)

Hi I/O,

I follow you in general but I don't quite follow the metaphor above, which I don't think I've heard before. Who are the poppies? Who is doing the cutting? Just curious. 

[TigerPaws]

The snippets from the article are not un typical of what one reads on a variety of subjects.  A cursory academic glance followed by a verbose article which touches here and there on reality and fills in the gaps with speculative opinion.  The author often leans heavily on his or her association with a renowned educational institution in order to try to establish some credibility for the article. Provety is often sadly missing.

Our lauded educational institutions are turning out educated idiots by the hundred every year.  Unfortunately those who are rounded and somewhat complete in their education.....and have a practical view of life are rare.

I've thought a fair amount about the feminist movement vs why some of us seek or marry women from other countries and although my conclusions are far from in depth, a couple of things are beginning to be more and more obvious over time.  Firstly I think it is fair to say one of the major attractions of some foreign women over locals is femininity.  NOT controllability.  I guess I admire many things about my fiance', but one of the stand outs is her powerfully strong personality mixed with the alluring femininity.  She is very far from a "Pushover" in almost every way one likes to imagine, however the thing which is glaringly missing is that ballsiness which pervades so many western women today.

IMO the extreme feminists (Whom I see) suffer from the "Tall Poppy Syndrone" which sadly is all too prevalent in my country and not only in this area.  Have we and in particular, these women become lazy through our easy lifestyle and as a result it is easer to "Cut down the tall poppy" (Those we are too lazy to compete with) rather than actually do something about ourselves? I think the answer is clearly yes. (In general)

The bitter end of the feminist movement is again IMO driven by the sting of rejection. Remember "Hell hath no fury as the woman scorned". As men, we don't handle rejection well.  However, women are just as bad and effectively by pursuing partners from other countries, we have told the locals plainly, "You are not good enough and I want something better".  Try telling that to a woman face to face and watch the reaction. (If you survive to see it) But in essence this is exactly what we are doing. 

I suggest the part of the feminist movement that attacks this pursuit so vigorously is driven at least in part, if not largely by the "Rejection factor".

Perhaps the attractiveness of some Russian women could be summed up in the words of one of my favourite writers.  (Although a religious man, religion is not my reason for deferring often to his writings, but simply his life wisdom) John Newton wrote this of his wife of many years.  (Quote) "A most excellent wife, a faithful friend and judicious counsellor, a woman who I am happy to sit beside whilst she drives the carriage BECAUSE she is wise enough to hand the reins to me when the road becomes difficult to navigate".  I see this trait in many Russian women and I see it missing in many of my country women.

I/O

While we disagree on many things I/O I do think you have hit the nail on the head (or the head of the feminists) about the feminists.

Well written.

TigerPaws


jen. I think the reference to "Tall Poppy Syndrome" is a local expression I think I understand it but maybe I/O could explain.   

[I/O]

Hi I/O,

I follow you in general but I don't quite follow the metaphor above, which I don't think I've heard before. Who are the poppies? Who is doing the cutting? Just curious. 

Tall Poppy........Someone who stands out/above the crowd and others try to cut them down rather than learn from them.  It's a horrible habit, born in jealousy, which unfortunately is very Australian in some respects.  It's OK for someone to do well, so long as they don't do too well.  Makes some feel uncomfortable with themselves when they see their peers rising above the pack so it is easier to cut them down with slander etc rather than lift their own game.

I/O

[Mir]

Anybody can sympathise with the sufferings of a friend, but it requires a very fine nature to sympathise with a friend's success.
Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism (1881)

[jen]

Got it, I/O, thanks for the explanation!