Ukraine Wife Now

[300spartans]

Why did my post about Ukraine Wife Now and the American owner David Gaynor get deleted? It was all true, maybe it was a little strong.

Try and delete this one as well, there is nothing slanderous in this post.

If this post is deleted then proof is in that RWD is in cahoots with dishonest agencies.

I was gulled by Ukraine Wife Now to pay for a service in advance. Only 10% of the promised service was delivered. This is an agency preying on lonely Western men using largely fraudulent profiles. A lot of their profiles come from Anastasia (purchased?), many are copied from Elenas Models, many bought from street photographers for  a couple of bucks each, others are copied from modeling sites - I.e. not women looking for husbands.

Do not trust without strong proof any American that lives in Ukraine and runs a marriage agency or other business, and I have received this sound advice from another Western man in Ukraine also.

In general, remember that almost everybody in Ukraine has their own agenda and they are often lying to you - even other Western men. It is hard to make an honest dollar for anybody in Ukraine, but easy to take some money from your pocket with lies, promises and deception.

[Mir]

In general, remember that almost everybody in Ukraine has their own agenda and they are often lying to you - even other Western men. It is hard to make an honest dollar for anybody in Ukraine, but easy to take some money from your pocket with lies, promises and deception

Where commercial interests are involved everyone everywhere will have their own agenda.
Do they all use lies and deception? Well some in Ukraine would do it and some in USA/Europe will also do it. The bottom line is of you are not carefull they will try to take money from your pocket and it does not make a difference if they are Americans, Russians, British, Ukrainians or Martians.

[Jack]

Hello 300spartans,  I would be very interested in knowing more about this agency and your being scammed. I cannot imagine why your previous post would have been deleted from here, especially if your willing to tell your side of the story. Just doesn't sound right.  If by some chance your (and my) post get's deleted I would like to ask you to PM me or write me directly at nunya@ix.netcom.com   In my business I need to hear from people like you who have been scammed so I would appreciate as much information about your scam as possible.

Can you list here, or send me by PM, the url address of this site.  Can you tell me if you communicated with any one or two individuals and if so there names?  Can you go into details as to the scam.  If your earlier post got deleted this could be the reason, just needing a little more information as to the nature of the scam.

Thanks.

[Admin]

Why did my post about Ukraine Wife Now and the American owner David Gaynor get deleted? It was all true, maybe it was a little strong.

Here is my reply to your earlier TOPICS on July 5, 2007:

OK - here is the deal:

* You have 24 hours to provide a first-hand accounting of any mis-deeds on the part of this agency, and/or the agency owner.
* Your account MUST focus on objective and provable FACTS - innuendo and personal insults will NOT be allowed.
* Failure to provide the accounting within that 24-hour window will result in deletion of this topic.
* Failure to stick to provable FACTS will result in deletion of the topic.

The clock is ticking . . . . . .

- Dan

Note: I removed your other, almost identical, post on this same topic in another part of the board. It begins to look like you are intending to launch a character assassination campaign - and it will NOT happen here at RWD.

Since you never responded, the post was deleted.

Try and delete this one as well, there is nothing slanderous in this post.

If this post is deleted then proof is in that RWD is in cahoots with dishonest agencies.

No, not really. It may simply mean that you are again mounting an unsubstantiated character assassination campaign - which will, indeed, be removed.

I was gulled by Ukraine Wife Now to pay for a service in advance. Only 10% of the promised service was delivered. This is an agency preying on lonely Western men using largely fraudulent profiles. A lot of their profiles come from Anastasia (purchased?), many are copied from Elenas Models, many bought from street photographers for  a couple of bucks each, others are copied from modeling sites - I.e. not women looking for husbands.

How were you "gulled"? - Exactly ?

"largely Fraudulent profiles" - How do you know they are fraudulent?

"profiles come from Anastasia" - How do you know they come from Anastasia?

"many are copied from Elenas Models" - How do you know they are copied from Elenas Models?

Do not trust without strong proof any American that lives in Ukraine and runs a marriage agency or other business, and I have received this sound advice from another Western man in Ukraine also.

What "strong proof" do you mean?

In general, remember that almost everybody in Ukraine has their own agenda and they are often lying to you - even other Western men. It is hard to make an honest dollar for anybody in Ukraine, but easy to take some money from your pocket with lies, promises and deception.

Why is that so? Why do you think it is "easy to take some money from your pocket..."? It seems to me that you are crying VICTIM here - but have NOTHING in the way of evidence - everything you have presented is innuendo and accusation without a single shred of evidence.

As before - you need to provide some hard evidence of the alleged behavior - or your post may be deleted. Or it may be left alive to demonstrate the lack of evidence in your allegations.

- Dan

[Admin]

A few more questions for 300Spartans:

* Were you a customer of this agency?

* Your IP is coming from Cherkassy. Do you live in Ukraine?

* Are you married now?

* Are you a US Citizen - or ?

- Dan

[300spartans]

My post above makes it clear I was a customer. I am now in Ukraine. Why do you want to know my nationality and marital status - are you a personal friend of David Gaynor’s and trying to identify me? Why did you reveal to all board members the city where I made your post? Is this a warning to men in general not to dare to tell the truth about marriage agencies? David Gaynor told me himself he has no friends - after he got my money. He also has a hot temper common to western men who do business in Ukraine. Blame the customer, or blame the victim if you prefer this term.

I am only stating the truth about what happened to me and to help other men not be cheated by this new and dubious agency.

What’s this about strong proof you require? My proof is that this man knowingly and intentionally cheated me. Do you want documents? What documents? I paid cash for a service that was 90% not delivered. The 10% was delivered only after strong pressure. I was conned and cheated without any doubt.

You will know from my former posts that I am not a representative of another marriage agency or competitor.

This agency seems to never have a staff member who has worked there more than a day or two. Often their English skills are bad.

My information about the origin of the ladies photos comes from the owner most all. He told me he buys them from Anastasias, and street photographers. He is a former Platinum member of Elena’s Models - do your own math’s on what he may have done. Many profiles are identical to Elena’s Models women who may or may not know they are on  his site.

I was introduced to a model who claims to have never heard of Ukraine Wife Now and thought I was a modeling agent or company needing a model. How’s that for business ethics?

With her and the two other ladies I was actually offered to meet, I had to meet then somewhere other than the agency office. Most unusual business practice but no doubt he has his reasons. One is that some or many of his ladies do not know they are on his agency database. I gave him 100 names and ID’s and got only three meetings. One was a pro dater, the other lost interest in me 1 minute after we met, when I answered her question as to my age! What, the agency never told her? I had paid for 20 meetings in advance, at a “discount” price which was pretty trusting and dumb of me in hindsight. Don’t make the same mistake, Western men.

This is his modus operandi, not arranging meetings, but getting cash up front then not delivering the service but instead dishing up excuses such as “they are at the Black Sea”. What, all 97 of them? If you pay for matchmaking with him, another expensive option, you can kiss your money goodbye in advance.

This man David Gaynor does not have any character to assassinate by his own admission. He is a liar. He is the worst of a bad bunch. I say beware if you make the mistake I did - trusting him because he is an American.

95% of cheated customers don’t have the guts to tell any one what happened to them. They are wise also, as I get attacked by admin for posting what happened to me.

This section is called Scammers and Suspect Agencies. If cheated customers can’t post their experience here, what is the point of this section at all? Or is it only OK to post bad stories about competitors of your friends and advertisers?

I notice that your main competitor in the message board business has removed all forums. This interesting move should indicate to men that the Russian MOB business is all  about keeping folks spending money and remaining ill informed. That board also removed lots of good posts a long time ago. Elena’s Models is a good example of doubtful advice offered to Western men. It can all be found for free there.

[Simoni]

This is his modus operandi, not arranging meetings, but getting cash up front then not delivering the service but instead dishing up excuses such as “they are at the Black Sea”. 

Maybe you don't understand summers in Ukraine.  I'm here this summer, and more than half of the people my wife wanted to meet are indeed at the Black Sea.  Even her mother is there!

Summers are not a good time to meet girls in Ukraine.  The national pasttime is to indeed go to the Black Sea.  After yesterdays near 100 F degree temperature, I wish I were there! 

[catzenmouse]

Spartans,

 Maybe "YOU" think it is clear what you are trying to say but reading your posts only tells me that you have a big hate going for this agency and the owner.

 Just because "YOU" say so then we should all bow down and believe you? I don't think so.

 Maybe you are telling the full and exact truth. Maybe you work for a competing agency who wants to take this one down. Maybe you got dumped by a girl from this agency so this is your way to exact revenge against her and them.

 What comes through in your posts is a lot of what could easily be taken as simple slander. Lots of big heavy statements but very, very little in the way of details about how and what actually happened. Unless you can back off from the "hate" tone and post rationally and with details I would not give anything you have to say any credence. And with 20+ posts you don't have enough history in my opinion to take a stand one way or the other regarding your being a shill or even a troll.

FWIW,
 Ken

[Mir]

Elena’s Models is a good example of doubtful advice offered to Western men. It can all be found for free there.

What can be found free? and where?

[Admin]

My post above makes it clear I was a customer. I am now in Ukraine. Why do you want to know my nationality and marital status - are you a personal friend of David Gaynor’s and trying to identify me? Why did you reveal to all board members the city where I made your post? Is this a warning to men in general not to dare to tell the truth about marriage agencies? David Gaynor told me himself he has no friends - after he got my money. He also has a hot temper common to western men who do business in Ukraine. Blame the customer, or blame the victim if you prefer this term.

I am only stating the truth about what happened to me and to help other men not be cheated by this new and dubious agency.

What’s this about strong proof you require? My proof is that this man knowingly and intentionally cheated me. Do you want documents? What documents? I paid cash for a service that was 90% not delivered. The 10% was delivered only after strong pressure. I was conned and cheated without any doubt.

You will know from my former posts that I am not a representative of another marriage agency or competitor.

This agency seems to never have a staff member who has worked there more than a day or two. Often their English skills are bad.

My information about the origin of the ladies photos comes from the owner most all. He told me he buys them from Anastasias, and street photographers. He is a former Platinum member of Elena’s Models - do your own math’s on what he may have done. Many profiles are identical to Elena’s Models women who may or may not know they are on  his site.

I was introduced to a model who claims to have never heard of Ukraine Wife Now and thought I was a modeling agent or company needing a model. How’s that for business ethics?

With her and the two other ladies I was actually offered to meet, I had to meet then somewhere other than the agency office. Most unusual business practice but no doubt he has his reasons. One is that some or many of his ladies do not know they are on his agency database. I gave him 100 names and ID’s and got only three meetings. One was a pro dater, the other lost interest in me 1 minute after we met, when I answered her question as to my age! What, the agency never told her? I had paid for 20 meetings in advance, at a “discount” price which was pretty trusting and dumb of me in hindsight. Don’t make the same mistake, Western men.

This is his modus operandi, not arranging meetings, but getting cash up front then not delivering the service but instead dishing up excuses such as “they are at the Black Sea”. What, all 97 of them? If you pay for matchmaking with him, another expensive option, you can kiss your money goodbye in advance.

This man David Gaynor does not have any character to assassinate by his own admission. He is a liar. He is the worst of a bad bunch. I say beware if you make the mistake I did - trusting him because he is an American.

95% of cheated customers don’t have the guts to tell any one what happened to them. They are wise also, as I get attacked by admin for posting what happened to me.

This section is called Scammers and Suspect Agencies. If cheated customers can’t post their experience here, what is the point of this section at all? Or is it only OK to post bad stories about competitors of your friends and advertisers?

I notice that your main competitor in the message board business has removed all forums. This interesting move should indicate to men that the Russian MOB business is all  about keeping folks spending money and remaining ill informed. That board also removed lots of good posts a long time ago. Elena’s Models is a good example of doubtful advice offered to Western men. It can all be found for free there.

>>Why do you want to know my nationality and marital status - are you a personal friend of David Gaynor’s and trying to identify me?<<

Simple. Your post is filled with hate and innuendo. It is, therefore, not credible. No, I am not a personal friend of David Gaynor.

>>Why did you reveal to all board members the city where I made your post? Is this a warning to men in general not to dare to tell the truth about marriage agencies?<<

No, actually quite the opposite. We welcome the TRUTH about marriage agencies. At the same time, unsubstantiated accounts which are more filled with accusations of "viagra" (as in your previous post), serve no useful purpose and indicate a poster of ill-character.

>>95% of cheated customers don’t have the guts to tell any one what happened to them. They are wise also, as I get attacked by admin for posting what happened to me.<<

Nope. You did not get "attacked" in the least. Your previous post was totally off-the-wall - and even at that, I gave you time to respond and clarify. You did not - so it was deleted. No attack - just keeping the board clean.

>>This section is called Scammers and Suspect Agencies. If cheated customers can’t post their experience here, what is the point of this section at all? Or is it only OK to post bad stories about competitors of your friends and advertisers?<<

We have lots of advertisers - some are not very well-respected, and some of those have some blistering comments posted here at RWD. There is NO PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT given any advertiser. Never has been - never will be.

BTW - did you bother to read the Sticky at the top of the Scammers Forum? Here, I'll help you -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=52.0

>>I notice that your main competitor in the message board business has removed all forums. This interesting move should indicate to men that the Russian MOB business is all  about keeping folks spending money and remaining ill informed. That board also removed lots of good posts a long time ago.<<

You my be correct about what has transpired elsewhere. I can only address what occurs here - and here at RWD, we welcome honest, truthful, supported accounts of positive or negative behavior.

Your account continues to lack specificity to make your post credible. Documents? No. But I do expect you, and anyone else who comes here to claim a scam, be prepared to offer enough specificity of the details of the transaction to demonstrate credibility.

- Dan

[Jack]

Dan, catzenmouse, this poster's native language I think is not English.  As such some of what he writes may not make perfect English sense. However just my gut feeling, but I'm thinking this poster did pay for some services and I think he is probably making some valid claims.

Is it possiable Dan that someone can send an e-mail to the owner of this agency and allow him to post his reply to spartan?

[Admin]

Dan, catzenmouse, this poster's native language I think is not English.  As such some of what he writes may not make perfect English sense. However just my gut feeling, but I'm thinking this poster did pay for some services and I think he is probably making some valid claims.

Is it possiable Dan that someone can send an e-mail to the owner of this agency and allow him to post his reply to spartan?

You could be correct about the native language. That was one of the reasons I asked about citizenship.

As for inviting the owner of the agency to address the claims - anyone can make that invitation - and he would be welcome to offer his responses here so long as they are professional and civil.

- Dan

[groovlstk]

One was a pro dater, the other lost interest in me 1 minute after we met, when I answered her question as to my age! What, the agency never told her?

In an earlier thread you tell how your much-younger ex-Ukrainian wife took you to the cleaners and used you as a mule, and you give advice to other men:

Finally, if you marry a Ukrainian woman younger than you, accept that she will have sex with other men at any suitable opportunity, especially if they have money. Then you may have a happy marriage. Under no circumstances do any snooping because if you do you will be horrified by what you find. Especially if you find out what she really thinks of you, Mr. Mule.

Unless there's something in this timeline I don't understand, aren't you engaging in the same hijinks that got you in trouble previously?