Police Certificate-Kharkov

[RK]

I know there are a few members here who married a lady from Kharkov. Can you please tell me how and where in Kharkov you went about getting the police certificate for the fiancee visa interview? Do you recall how long the certificate was valid for? Thanks so much in advance.

[GregfromGa]

I remember it was a pain in the ass trying to get this piece of paper.  Just like anything else over there you might be able to pay a small bribe and get it faster. Thats how we got the date and time we wanted for getting married anyway along with the international passport.  Thor has a guy over there that might be able to help you on this for a small fee. If you're rushed then pay the money and dont look back.

[Thor]

I know there are a few members here who married a lady from Kharkov. Can you please tell me how and where in Kharkov you went about getting the police certificate for the fiancee visa interview? Do you recall how long the certificate was valid for? Thanks so much in advance.

My dear friend

Who"s the man in Kharkov ?

[Wayne B]

Of course that would be me RK, Anna got her P/R through Belanoff agency in one week....for $30...

[RK]

My dear friend

Who"s the man in Kharkov ?

OK, Thor, I'll admit it...it is me! I am the man in Kharkov! I did not think you wanted me to make this public yet, but OK    

[RK]

Of course that would be me RK, Anna got her P/R through Belanoff agency in one week....for $30...

Wayne, did you meet Anna through Belanoff? Did you work with Natasha and Sergey over there? Nice people. I think Krystyna will go to the police station and get it. She's comfortable doing that, but I wanted to try and find out as much info beforehand so I could direct her in the right direction and make sure she gets what the US embassy needs for the interview. Did you see the form? Did it have a specific form number, name, or anything specific like that?

[Wayne B]

Wayne, did you meet Anna through Belanoff? Did you work with Natasha and Sergey over there? Nice people. I think Krystyna will go to the police station and get it. She's comfortable doing that, but I wanted to try and find out as much info beforehand so I could direct her in the right direction and make sure she gets what the US embassy needs for the interview. Did you see the form? Did it have a specific form number, name, or anything specific like that?

 RK, yes, I met Anna in person through Belanoff....through AOB....Now we..or should I say...I will get Flamed from Billy B and Thor ....Anna can only tell me, that the P/F had a heading of her name...address and she does not recall any specific #on the form...Anna did state....I am a Babushka...disguised as a Dervoshka......and I am sorry for any harm that may have come from my form ....and yes...Natasha and Sergey....stay in touch with us......Natasha, is a cunning woman to say the least....and may I add....a very attractive lady

[Thor]

OK, Thor, I'll admit it...it is me! I am the man in Kharkov! I did not think you wanted me to make this public yet, but OK    

WHO s the man in Kharkov .????

Outsite heavy rainstorm, but we had a nice day at the pool in Arcada/Arizona club today!!!!!! Do you envy me a littel bit RK???

[RK]

WHO s the man in Kharkov .????

OK, OK!!! I give in! I don't want to have any problems next month in Kharkov!
YOU are the man in Kharkov!!            

[ScottinCrimea]

My wife got the police certificate in Simferopol in less than a week without paying anyone extra.  Someone told her there that it was only good for a month, but what is important is what the US embassy says, which is that it is good for a year.  It should be no problem for your fiance to go to the police station and learn all about this without the help of anyone.  It's pretty common.

[Mir]

Maybe in Simferopol things are done in the right way and in Kharkov one needs to pay bribes?
Seriously I think in many instances people who pay bribes just have a preconception that it needs to be done while it might have been possible to get the job done without the bribe

[GregfromGa]

Maybe in Simferopol things are done in the right way and in Kharkov one needs to pay bribes?
Seriously I think in many instances people who pay bribes just have a preconception that it needs to be done while it might have been possible to get the job done without the bribe

  When you are 6000 miles from home and the month of Sept is completely booked at the Zags office all day for weddings and they are backed out the door then you pay the bribe. You never even consider not paying it unless you are an idiot. Time costs money. It's kinda like service,you get what you pay for.

[Thor]

  When you are 6000 miles from home and the month of Sept is completely booked at the Zags office all day for weddings and they are backed out the door then you pay the bribe. You never even consider not paying it unless you are an idiot. Time costs money. It's kinda like service,you get what you pay for.

Greg,

YOU are the man, because you seems to understand how this works here in Ukraine!!!! . Only naive peoples keep questining or believe that bribe is not common in Ukraine.

I have a very good ex sample:

We went to nightclub and my friend got very drunken and we had problems to get him in the taxi. He was loud and suddenly the police where there. They asked us for our passports, but they where left home. I called my wife and she spoke with this police officer. He told us that we had to bribe him with 200 grynas, if not we would be taken to a special police station. Of course we payed and then everybody was happy.

Of course they bribe in Simferopol too, but maybe Scott never leaves his house or are just blind .

[Thor]

Seriously I think in many instances people who pay bribes just have a preconception that it needs to be done while it might have been possible to get the job done without the bribe

In what kind of instances Mir?????????

[Mir]

but maybe Scott never leaves his house or are just blind

That is much more appropriate about you.

No one says there are no bribes payed in Ukraine.
What was said is that everything does not need a bribe and that a bribe is not always needed.
I have been to Ukraine as well and have seen perhaps more of it then you have (except I accept the discos).
If you had not done anything wrong you should have gone to the station with the officer. The fact you paid a bribe proves your guilt and in your own country you might have spent the night in the lockup for drunk and disorderly behaviour (or your friend would have).
This example cannot be compared with getting something done which is legitimate.
Now you will tell me that you know a lot more then me, how?
Yes, yes you have married a girl there but so what?. Even John Anthony managed to marry a girl from Ukraine and I have seen photos of her. She was not any less beautiful then your wife(and of course your wife is beautiful).

[ScottinCrimea]

Of course they bribe in Simferopol too, but maybe Scott never leaves his house or are just blind .

Thor, where was your head when you wrote this? Maybe the only time you leave your house is to get blind drunk at a nightclub. Did you somehow forget the thread where I got criticized for trying to explain the FSU thought process behind bribes?  I could have sworn you posted on that thread as well.  But then they say that memory is the second thing that goes as we get older.

My post was meant to inform of the timeframe for the police certificate even without a bribe. 

[Thor]

That is much more appropriate about you.

No one says there are no bribes payed in Ukraine.
What was said is that everything does not need a bribe and that a bribe is not always needed.
I have been to Ukraine as well and have seen perhaps more of it then you have (except I accept the discos).
If you had not done anything wrong you should have gone to the station with the officer. The fact you paid a bribe proves your guilt and in your own country you might have spent the night in the lockup for drunk and disorderly behaviour (or your friend would have).
This example cannot be compared with getting something done which is legitimate.
Now you will tell me that you know a lot more then me, how?
Yes, yes you have married a girl there but so what?. Even John Anthony managed to marry a girl from Ukraine and I have seen photos of her. She was not any less beautiful then your wife(and of course your wife is beautiful).

Yes you have been to Ukraine Mir. But I doubt that you have seen any more of this country than me.

When you post that I should have gone to the police station with the officer you show me that you don't know anything about Ukraine. I have read a lot of your posts here and you know a lot of the histori of the FSU, that is th rue. But you have no or very less knowledge about the proses how to find and meet girls here in Ukraine and about how this society works. OK, so go to the Ukrainian police station or jail if you like . I guess that this would be the first and last time you spend there . This is not like back home at all, in fact the police officer told my wife that we would be taken to a VERY special place if we did not pay the bribe .

Oh yes oh yes, I have been to more nigthclubs than you . But I guess that for a man in my age it is not unnatural to go to nightclubs either . It is funny and we are all different, some want to sit at home and read books  , and some need to have some fun sometimes.

It seems to me that some members at this board use that I go to nightclub to show the :rest: of the members that I am stupid or so, but most guys goes to nightclubs now and then .

I don't know how many times you have been in Ukraine Mir, but I know that I have been there 13 times now and I have stayed mostly for several weeks everytime and I have not sit at home all the time . I have seen this country, been to different public offices in Ukraine, meet autotrites, spoken with a LOT of peoples, from the rich ones to the poorest ones. Know peoples who used to have a high rank in former KGB (now a high rank officer in the police), and so on. That has given me a view how this society are build and operate Mir. So when you post a stemendt like I should gone to the policestation with the officers when I did anything wrong, it is a dangerous advise for a newbie going to FSU!!!!!!!! Please don't post comments like that, please don't compere police in FSU to back home, please if you have no knowledge then don't post comments like that!!!!

No offence Mir, but that was a dangerous advise for a newbie or a for all other travelers in FSU!! Police in FSU is not NICE AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GregfromGa]

Thor you are absolutely correct. I had a friend that was pissing behind an old building at the bus station in Kharkov so he was arrested. It was getting so close to our bus leaving and it was an all night trip back to Kiev and catch a plane. My friend spoke Estonian and my wife swears that Joeseps Russian is pretty weak so my sister-in-law done all the translation. Anyways we paid the bribe. It costs us $20..Little did they know was they couldve got $200...The lesson to be learned here is dont piss in public and if you get caught pay the $20 and be happy.

[Mir]

Ok Thor

I accept your superior knowledge of Ukraine and concede that you are an authority about how to have fun and find girls in Ukraine.
I mean I have to accept that since the 30 or so days I have spent in Ukraine all I did was stay in my room and read books 
Yes I never had problems with police in Ukraine and I guess that is a sure proof that I never tried to have fun
Tell you one thing, few years back I spent 3 months working at a refugee camp near the Afghan border. If you could have seen the nasties one can encounter in that part of the world (no one knows if the Police is worse then the bandits then Ukrainian police would look like Mother Tressa and friends
My only advise is that bribe is not always necessary and will not allways get you out of bad situations, but then I don't know how it works so you don't have to follow my advise.

[acrzybear]

HHHHmmmmmm  Here's a thought-don't urinate in public, Obey the law-quite a simple concept actually.  Nothing irritates me  more then when I catch someone breaking the law and they have every excuse in the world for their actions . Makes me want to 

 When I am in a foreign country I try to blend in (not always easy at 6'5"), not draw attention to myself by breaking the law.  I have been to 7 foreign countries as a civilian and I have not once been stopped or questioned by the local authorities.

 No matter where you go you run into idiots :selfharm:
 

[Randy]

HHHHmmmmmm  Here's a thought-don't urinate in public, Obey the law-quite a simple concept actually.  Nothing irritates me  more then when I catch someone breaking the law and they have every excuse in the world for their actions . Makes me want to 

 When I am in a foreign country I try to blend in (not always easy at 6'5"), not draw attention to myself by breaking the law.  I have been to 7 foreign countries as a civilian and I have not once been stopped or questioned by the local authorities.

 No matter where you go you run into idiots :selfharm:
 

The only run in I had with a cop in Kiev was when he wrote the taxi driver a ticket for speeding. 

[Mir]

Yes Acrzybear

And getting drunk in the nightclub, trying to flirt with girls on dates with other men and talking nonsense in a loud voice is a sure way for drawing attention from police in a foreign (or your own) country.
It may be a bad advise to go to the police station in Ukraine but the above type of fun is even worse advise for a newbie going there

[acrzybear]

Yes Acrzybear

And getting drunk in the nightclub, trying to flirt with girls on dates with other men and talking nonsense in a loud voice is a sure way for drawing attention from police in a foreign (or your own) country.
It may be a bad advise to go to the police station in Ukraine but the above type of fun is even worse advise for a newbie going there

Getting drunk and flirting with another mans lady is a sure fire way to get your a$$ kicked nomatter where you are.

 I was a newbie (still am in alot of ways) but I didn't have a problem going to the police station in Odessa on my first trip there, of course it helped that I bought some items from my agency to exchange. .

Now going to a police station in Iraq-THAT'S a different story

[Serebro]

My wife got the police certificate in Simferopol in less than a week without paying anyone extra.  Someone told her there that it was only good for a month, but what is important is what the US embassy says, which is that it is good for a year.  It should be no problem for your fiance to go to the police station and learn all about this without the help of anyone.  It's pretty common.

I don't know about Ukraine but in Kazan, Russia it was as follows when I went to the USA in as a student-I went to the MVD(МВД) head office, went to the lady who was supposed to give that kind of papers with my passport. She told me that it  was free and that it would be ready in about 3 weeks' time but if I wanted to have it sooner(in 3 days'time) it would cost something(about 300-500 roubles, I don't remember exactly).

The only run in I had with a cop in Kiev was when he wrote the taxi driver a ticket for speeding

you didn't tell the taxi driver that you were a cop, too, did you?!

[Serebro]

It may be a bad advise to go to the police station in Ukraine but the above type of fun is even worse advise for a newbie going there

Not all policemen in the Ukraine and Russia are bad. The most terrible type are people who patrol streets on foot.I had been "stopped" by one of such patrols last spring for drinking cola sitting in a park on a bench... I will not tell the whole story though...