FSU dating sites VS. USA dating sites

[purpletib]

Where to begin....

 

It floors me how nicely all of the "mail order bride" sites (no real pun intended) are set up compared to local sites.  Most of the women range from girl next doorish to very beautiful.  Most of the photos are very well done, with most of them being professional.  Very nice, neat, concise. 

THEN you go to any of "our" dating sites, and it's a whole other ball game.  Page after page of FAT or UGLY girls looking for soul mates.  Then, the majority of them have VERY poor photos.  Blurry, dark, out of focus, or with groups of other people (OK, which one are you?)  That is if they even HAVE a photo.  Typically, about half of the profiles don't even have pics.  I'm sorry, but we are visual people.  Without seeing a face, we might as well be talking to a wall.  If you are so ugly that you are afraid to post a pic, DON'T BOTHER LOOKING.

Personally, I am very picky when it comes to what I find attractive.  My dream girl?  A curly redhead.  Of course, just curly or just red works, but if I could find both, I'd put her on a pedestal forever.  SO, I tend to look for those qualities.  There are even redhead dating sites.  Most of the profiles aren't even redheads.  Man is it frustrating when you are attracted to the least common hair color out there!  It sure would be nice if the search options also had a section for "curly hair."

Sorry, just had to rant.  I'm just sick of how crappy our dating sites are compared to the several Russian sites I've browsed.  It amazes me the difference in the quality of women.  I guess it really is true that we are the most obese country in the world, cuz our dating sites are flushed full of them.  To make matters worse, I live in the fattest state in the nation (Michigan) and the fattest county in the state.  So, therefore, I live amongst the fattest people in the world.  It's kind of crazy to think of it that way.

What are your thoughts on our dating sites compared to those abroad?

[USCFAN]

I was on Match.com for a little bit ... I always thought it was funny how so many of the women's profiles said something to the effect of "I don't need a man"


... okay, then why the hell are you on a dating site?  :selfharm:



And you are sooooo right about the 'group photo' thing. I mean, hello? I don't want to date ALL of you ... 

[Lily]

Agree with you guys, that's why I actually prefer having my profile on the international and non-Russian dating sites! 
 

Generally, it appears to be more advantageous for an AM to look at the Russian dating sites, and for a RW at the Western ones, provided her English is fluent.

[purpletib]

I don't see anything wrong with the russian sites, unless you are reffering to your "local" dating sites.

[Turboguy]

If the american sites had clear photos of the women perhaps they are afraid they would scare off all the men.   Sometimes things are best left to the imagination.   The truth can be rather bad.

[Blues Fairy]

I had a profile on Emode/Lovehappens for a while and the overwhelming majority of men who emailed me were from India, Pakistan, and Turkey.  Out of non-Asian guys, some contacted me from Europe and some from the States, but NOT ONE measured up to my standards.  I figured quickly that unless I do my own fishing I'll catch no decent fish.  So I guess it's a similar situation for both men and women - all the decent catches are lurking in deep waters and we have to look very hard to find one another. 

[I/O]

purpletib: I think Lily's point was that she has better opportunity if she avoids the competition on the Russian Women sites.  I dunno why she needs to avoid the competition but she seems to think so. Lily...

Ironically enough, my first online meeting with a Russian/FSU woman which ultimately became a live face to face meeting was on an American site. Udate IIRC it was called in those days.  Dunno if it even still exists.  In fact I met ladies from a few different countries on that site and other than one, they were all nice including a couple of American women. :hairraising: :hairraising:

I/O

[Lily]

purpletib: I think Lily's point was that she has better opportunity if she avoids the competition on the Russian Women sites.  I dunno why she needs to avoid the competition but she seems to think so. Lily...

 

My primary reason would be quantity, more available men to choose from. Reason # 2 would be the men's preferences in women. Reason # 3 would be eventual competition with what other RW have to offer.

Btw, great photo in your avatar I/O..are you pictured jumping on the horse,or? 

[I/O]

Reason # 3 would be eventual competition with what other RW have to offer.

Most Russian women on websites don't have your level of language to start with which IMO puts you way ahead of the pack.  I am not going to turn this into an ego stroking post, but seriously Lily, I have read a few of your posts along these lines and I think you are underestimating your own ability, attributes etc in this respect.

are you pictured jumping on the horse,or?

Yeah....!!! Way back when in the glory days.

I/O

[Lily]

I/O, my reason # 1 outweights the two others. 

[SANDRO43]

all the decent catches are lurking in deep waters

Seems that getting an Advanced Open Water PADI certificate many years ago was a smart move in more ways than anticipated, then .

[Turboguy]

But Lily, isn't it obvious to you in looking around that the cream of the crop of American men are those wise enough to understand the wonder and virtues of RW and successful enough to afford the persuit.   

By using American dating sites you are left with the dummies too blind to realize that and the same guys all the overweight AW are complaining are loosers.   

[Blues Fairy]

Maybe she likes to be the pursuer. 

Elenasmodels and the like place women on the receiving end by definition.  Some of us just don't appreciate that. 

[SANDRO43]

There are many sites catering FSUW to specific nationalities, for instance this for Germans:  
http://www.interfriendship.de/

[Lily]

There are many sites catering FSUW to specific nationalities, for instance this for Germans:  
http://www.interfriendship.de/

I searched through this site, found a few men who catched my attention, made a profile, registered, made an extensive search again and sent about 8 expressions of interest. Soon I received notifications that all my interest expressions were rejected by the men. 
After some time I got one letter from a guy who was unfortunately far from being somewhat interesting to me.
Then I cancelled my membership.

[Phil dAmore]

My dream girl?  A curly redhead.  Of course, just curly or just red works, but if I could find both, I'd put her on a pedestal forever.

That's what I used to think also.  Then I got one.

Everything you have ever heard about redheads is correct.   

It's what you haven't heard about that causes the problems. :hairraising:

One word:  Volatile.  They seem to share a level of stability on a par with old, wet dynamite.

Be careful what you wish for....

[SANDRO43]

I searched through this site, found a few men who catched my attention, made a profile, registered, made an extensive search again and sent about 8 expressions of interest. Soon I received notifications that all my interest expressions were rejected by the men.  After some time I got one letter from a guy who was unfortunately far from being somewhat interesting to me. Then I cancelled my membership.

And you did ALL THAT within 1 hour of my post ???. Lily, your efficiency is amazing .
Or are you referring to a past experience ?

[AnastassiaAsh]

I searched through this site, found a few men who catched my attention, made a profile, registered, made an extensive search again and sent about 8 expressions of interest. Soon I received notifications that all my interest expressions were rejected by the men. 
After some time I got one letter from a guy who was unfortunately far from being somewhat interesting to me.
Then I cancelled my membership.

Lily, dear, 8 nos, well this is just a beginning, you have to sit there for a month or 3, send out 100-200 LETTERS, not even EOI, to get 3-5 very good men who you can narrow down later. Also, new people come almost every week, yes, it is a job, very time consuming! It requires lots of patience and a very strong faith in who you can attract! But the result justifies everything. 

[Turboguy]

Maybe she likes to be the pursuer. 

Elenasmodels and the like place women on the receiving end by definition.  Some of us just don't appreciate that. 

Yes, but from the reports I get from my fiancee it is about the best place for putting them on the receiving end of a marriage proposal. 

[Serebro]

It floors me how nicely all of the "mail order bride" sites (no real pun intended) are set up compared to local sites.  Most of the women range from girl next doorish to very beautiful.  Most of the photos are very well done, with most of them being professional.  Very nice, neat, concise. 

THEN you go to any of "our" dating sites, and it's a whole other ball game.  Page after page of FAT or UGLY girls looking for soul mates.  Then, the majority of them have VERY poor photos.  Blurry, dark, out of focus, or with groups of other people (OK, which one are you?)  That is if they even HAVE a photo. 

What are your thoughts on our dating sites compared to those abroad?

Sometimes we(Russians) have the same problem with the LOCAL websites, too.

[Lily]

Lily, dear, 8 nos, well this is just a beginning, you have to sit there for a month or 3, send out 100-200 LETTERS, not even EOI, to get 3-5 very good men who you can narrow down later. Also, new people come almost every week, yes, it is a job, very time consuming! It requires lots of patience and a very strong faith in who you can attract! But the result justifies everything. 

Anastasia, by my best efforts, at that site I could not even find 40 men who would appeal me more or less after having read their profiles and seeing their pictures...I was on the site about a few weeks before I switched to a non-FSU specific site. I hope you don't mean that I contact all available men irrespective of my interest to them. Btw, only EOI were allowed to send.

But see, at the friendfinder my general statistics is that I usually get an interested reply. Mostly I do write letters, sometimes wink.Exceptions happen but they are not the rule. Even winks work. This tendency has not changed since my almost 2 years membership and remains about the same. The majority of men react positively, and it is to a large extent up to me whether this contact will be developed further.

That made me believe that men who target the FSU women have a considerably higher requirements to their prospective mate. If same men would look at home, perhaps they would not be aiming that high.

[I/O]

That made me believe that men who target the FSU women have a considerably higher requirements to their prospective mate.

Lily: I think you are right on the money and to an extent right off the money.  To explain. All guys who target FSU women raise their expectations imediately they stumble over a suitable website and go cross eyed at all the pretty pictures.  Some men actually do something constructive about finding an FSU / Russian partner. Then some of those some men actually maintain high expectations and then some of those some of those some actually achieve what they set out to.  From what I have observed, that final number is miniscule.

I suspect many guys would be intimidated by your level of education, linguistic skills and ability to articulate your thoughts, at least in written form.  That is not an ego stroke, but rather a frank observation.  The reality is that the vast majority of guys on websites are looking for a "Turkey Shoot".  In other words an easy road.  Some eventually wake up that either that wont cut it, or they are playing on the wrong field.  The top end of the remainder is where you should IMO be aiming.

You've mentioned newspaper advertising and I note you shyed away from the idea.  I am far from convinced you should not go that way, but what about something completely outside the square? What about choosing an industry of interest, perhaps in your case law, and marketing yourself in a given country's "Industry Publication"? For example, my country's "Law Society" has regular publications and I am sure various other country's would have at least the equal of this if not better. 

Frankly I think you are calling the wrong tune by playing the "Quantity" (Numbers) game, I think you should play the "Quality" game and aim for the very top.

I/O

[Lit_1nce]

Lily,

Your standards also appear high, but they should be !

All of these dating type sites require effort (time), and of course you don't want to waste effort.

I am sure you have run into some who talk a good game, but when it comes to meeting fizzel out. If the idea is to have a "penpal" well that's fine, but not very satisfying.

Now from the reverse side, those that would seriously expend the effort and expense of going to the FSU are also going to try and find someone they consider worth the risk. What they consider "worthy" probably will be greater than what they would normally expect at home,..  because of the extra effort they want a better payout. (this payout can be different things for different people, from looks to youth, to different values.. etc)

I don't blame you for looking in Europe, although Americans and Aussies can't be all bad, Europe is a little closer to your home and increases the chance of actually meeting. Also I can't speak for the Australians, but there is a sad little secret about Americans.. MOST don't even have a passport. I am sure that most here on this board do, and I would hope that Americans attempting to write FSU women would at "least" get a passport... but the majority of the general public here in the US do not have one. (not that it's a big deal to get one, they just haven't).

I hope you do not totally give up on Americans though... there are many good ones here on this board !

Keep searching, and keep your standards high. Your a good person, and you deserve a good person.

[I/O]

Aussies can't be all bad

Yeah, they are, stay away from 'em, if you don't believe me, ask my fiance'.

I/O

[Serebro]

Anastasia, by my best efforts, at that site I could not even find 40 men who would appeal me more or less after having read their profiles and seeing their pictures...I was on the site about a few weeks before I switched to a non-FSU specific site. I hope you don't mean that I contact all available men irrespective of my interest to them. Btw, only EOI were allowed to send.
That made me believe that men who target the FSU women have a considerably higher requirements to their prospective mate. If same men would look at home, perhaps they would not be aiming that high.

A agree with Lily.
That was the reason why I stopped active search (according to Anastasia's model)a few weeks ago. I still go thee from time to time but now I am completely dissapointed in all those agencies and the way they work and the way men react...I am tired of all those things that could be really dirty.
But the best thing is that I have found so many interesting forums and met so many nice people.
Maybe one day I will write a book.