American Food

[Elen]

beef and Ukraina? he-he-he  Salo !! That's a pride of hohols

jb, once i tried to show a ukrainian lady what a hamburger is. we bought some ground "beef" and the resulting crap once it was cooked had to be thrown away.[/size][/font]

May be it was a result of cooker's qualification but not a quality of beef:P

[anono]

only you would think such a thing elen. of course it was me, not the rotten quality of the beef here. anything that goes wrong in the FSU, well, just blame it on america or an american.

this is just more evidence about the feelings of inferiority that i posted in another thread. it can't be ukrainian beef, it has to be me!   lol

[jb]

not the rotten quality of the beef here.

OMG~!!  Don't get me started...

The temptation in any meat market is; "no waste". Adding suet and fat to the ground beef is undetectable to the eye in it's raw form, yet will yield a ground beef mixture that is uncookable under any conditions.  If you buy ground beef that has more that about 18-20% fat/suet content, your burger will not hang together, the fat content just melts away in cooking  and you will have little clumps of meat that won't lay on a bun properly and certainly won't taste like a hamburger.

My wife still has trouble with this one, she still adds the bread and milk mixture to make katlettas, it's ok, but it ain't a hamburger.  

[Bruno]

I agree again with JB ( i don't like it  )... i have eat the best steak and hamburger in US, Texas... Here in Belgium, we call Hamburger, a mix of pig and beef... the 100% of beef is called "American"... ( and French people forget to cook it !!! )...

If people from ex-USSR think that hamburger from Mac Donald are the mirror of real american hamburger, visit Texas for a big hamburger with a lot of taste...

[Elen]

If people from ex-USSR think that hamburger from Mac Donald are the mirror of real american hamburger, visit Texas for a big hamburger with a lot of taste...

Nope We just think our KOTLETY are better:P

[Bruno]

If people from ex-USSR think that hamburger from Mac Donald are the mirror of real american hamburger, visit Texas for a big hamburger with a lot of taste...

Nope We just think our KOTLETY are better:P
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Your "Kotlety" are good but we call them "meatbroad" in Belgium... Beef, milk, broad, one egg , little piece of paprika ( bulgare peper ) and onion, garlick, salt, peper, parsley...

Compare the same thing will be more easy...

[jb]

Nope We just think our KOTLETY are better

Elen,
Is there a single thing that might be better if it's from someplace other than Russia?  I swear 24kt gold from a mine in South Dakota would be thrown away simply because it was American, not from Russian.

You do no good for your country, Elen.  We view you as a devil in a house dress, and that's not a good thing.  All your photos in a bikini will earn you no admirers around here, we already know your true personality.

[Donna_Pedro]

the usa has the ability and means to import food from anywhere in the world, if we do not have it ourselves...

 Anono, I can not say about Ukrain and the whole russia, but as for Moscow - a big %% of  food  that is sold in stores and supermarkets is IMPORTED from Finland, Poland, Holland and Baltic states and others.  Here is the data  - "As of 2001, Russia imported 40% of its food requirements, a number which rises as high as 50% in urban centres.  Interesting fact - Despite the country's continued need for imports, food security remains as an important consideration. China has twice been blocked from exporting meat to Russia, and American poultry has also seen a ban."

 (c Agri-Food (Cabada)  Country Profile -  Russia - February 2005.)

This problem, as far as I remember was even discussed in mass media, that its so much cheaper to import food from europe then to develop our own food industry. USA certainly has the ability to import, but people in US are often  very narrow-minded, think that only US produces the best of the best and other countries can not possibly produce good food. In chain supernarkets there is typically one small department of international food (with the exclusion of mexican food) and if you want national food there are small stores, like the one I go to buy russian food.

[Turboguy]

I never really thought about it until a few minutes ago but as I do think about the agriculture in Russia it is sort of odd.   Russia has always imported a lot of it's food.  Even during the Cold war when we didn't like each other we sold a lot of grain to Russia. 

The part that strikes me as odd is that Russia has half the population of the USA roughly and I don't know how many times the area but a heck of a lot more geography and I have traveled from St Petersburg to Sochi, to Yetkatrinburg with other trips to Omsk, Krasnodar and Perm and a lot of other places and most of the land looks suitable for crops. 

Here, most of the stuff we import are things that we can't grow here like coffee beans and other tropical foods and stuff that is labor intensive or just cheaper to get out of the country.   We have to have programs to take land out of production or our surpluses are too big.   We can grow all we can use and enough to be a major export.   The biggest problem we have in agriculture is over producton.

What is the point of all I said.  I haven't figured that out yet.  Either there is a huge untapped resource in agriculture in Russia or it is just another instance of inefficiency.  

 

[Elen]

Elen, Is there a single thing that might be better if it's from someplace other than Russia?

Was it I who started the thread "a food in Russia is the best in the world?":D And what is wrong with that if I relly think home made kotlety are better than any Hamburger?

You do no good for your country, Elen. We view you as a devil in a house dress, and that's not a good thing. All your photos in a bikini will earn you no admirers around here, we already know your true personality.  

Relax, JB let drink something  from those supermarkets of yours and calm down your ill imagination:P I have no intention to earn anything from guys like you- neither your admiration, nor Hamburger, nor even a 24kt of gold (which you think is the best in the world just because it's from America) And I doubt you know anything about my personality.

Ps Bruno we add a pork to beef ( 50-50)  in kotlety as well It makes them more "soft"

lot of other places and most of the land looks suitable for crops. 

We have such  climate that makes 2/3 of Russia a risky zone for  agriculture. For example there are too little sun days for grow corn in Russia. But it was Russia which helped with crops to Ukraina a couple years ago ( who always thought they "feed" Russia) when they had a bad year and all European countries refused to give them a credit for  grain purchase

 

Meat markets in Russia sell beef by weight only. You want beef? "Gimme 500g please", and you get a chunk of meat,,, period. Probably cut from a 30 year old dariy cow who died of old age. Here you have the selection of what part of the cow you want, i.e., shoulder, brisket, rib, loin, rump, etc. 

JB I'd suggest you to return and edit your post because you sound SO STUPID or like a persone who NEVER have been at Russian meat market. Even in Soviet "starving" era they sold beef with proper dress meat. And in contrary to the USA's our beef is free from hormones I'll do you a favour and take a pic at our local meat market (In Monday)

 

[Bruno]

A little publicity over the Belgium beef, the very good know Belgium Blue Beef ( BBF )

Sir Lean - First Belgian Blue Beef bull exported to the USA



A winning Belgian Blue Beef Heifer in the USA



And this result, without hormones who are prohibith in Belgium... only by selection... without genetic manipulation...

Reference and photo from http://www.hbbbb.be/

[anono]

but people in US are often  very narrow-minded, think that only US produces the best of the best and other countries can not possibly produce good food.

donna, you are describing elen....:cool:

elen, you have not ever had a real american hamburger so, as usual, you do not know what you are talking about.

[Elen]

Why are YOU so sure you ate my kotlety? Like always Anono you forgot to look at a mirror

Once more it's you americans who try to prove here you have something "the best in the world" but not me. (exept my statement kotlety are better than hamburgers)

As for the best beef in the world then may be your beef looks such fresh at counters because of chemistry it's covered with (wich is forbiden in other countries)and  tastes for you so nice because of female's hormones your farmers feed your bulls in order to improve the natural taste of beef.Your laws do allow that (was not that the reasone Europe denied to import your fine beef:P)

[Donna_Pedro]

anono

elen, you have not ever had a real american hamburger so, as usual, you do not know what you are talking about.

I have. Of course it can not be compared to McDonalds, but to my taste kotleti is still better,,, i guess because thats a familar taste. I would not start comparing whose cousine is tastier, its stupid, you guys, got used to yours and you think that its the best, and we - to ours. We are talking about the quality and selection of food products. Anono, I wonder havent you noticed the difference in taste between american supermarket veggies and Ukranian, fresh from the farm market?  I remember from chilhood, that when we travelled to Ukrain or South Russia for vocations at the Sea, mom and dad would always buy fresh peaches, apples and particulaly those blueish-red huge ukranian tomatoes, called "bull's heart", because of their  taste and smell. Veggies from the farm markets actually SMELL and they have a definate taste, here - they all are tasteless and watery. I tried to buy them at the farm markets here - the same.  

[wxman]

Supermarket veggies and fruit taste bland everywhere because it takes days to truck in refridgerated trucks. The refridgeration keeps them from spoiling, but it also removes some of the taste. Farmers markets here in my city are really good. We also have farms where you can buy a share, and then during growing season you go to the farm and pick up whatever is being harvested that day. Every week it is something different depending what is ripe at that time. No chemicals whatsoever.  

[Turboguy]

Here in this land where everything is better (just kidding) we have about every variety of food and restaurants that can make something that is tasty and particularly if it is a bit unique. 

There are probably about 250,000 restaurants serving some variety of Italian food.

There are probably about 100,000 restaurants serving some variety of chinese food.

There are probably about 100,000 restaurants serving some variety of Mexican food.

There are probably about 40,000 restaurants serving some variety of Japaneese food.

There are probably about 10,000 restaurants serving some variety of Indian food.

I could go on through a lot of other nationalities.

And Russian food.  Humm, I saw a Russian restaurant when I was in San Francisco.  I know of one in Texas.  I am sure there are a few in Brigton Beach.   It is sort of like yesterdays post about agriculture.   Either there is a huge untapped market or something is amiss possibly something such as the quality and taste of the food.

[anono]

as i have posted before, i get my sweetcorn from the side of the field it was grown in, the same with whatever other fruits and vegetables i can find in season. i think that is even more close to the source than a market in russia or ukraine.

for someone (not you donna) to not think this out shows the lack of thinking ability. let's think for a minute now. say russia had a international "food" industry such as mcdonald's. do you think you would get home made borsch? or home made kotlety? think you would hold out that mass produced food as an example of the kotlety your mom makes?

but since it serves some posters purpose here, they will not think before posting. for someone to say mcdonalds is an example of a home made american hamburger is complete ignorance.

ban me dan, i am getting tired of this place anyway. 1000+ posts and has that poster had any contribution to this site other than to make it inhospitable?

in fact, cancel my membership... this is worse than RWG was

[Elen]

Ban him Dan if he so insists

( but until you are still here anono let post MY words but not your re-telling. Hint for you - quote button is that one )

[anono]

i am not going to take your orders elen, go read your own posts where you say i USED to post nonsense. all you ever post is nonsense. you are a total waste of bandwidth.

i am resigning dan, no need to ban me. this place sucks and it's because of posters like elen.

[Elen]

Do you really off? You don't lie to a poor girl do you?

Ах какая смешная потеря

В жизни много смешных потерь (ps not me it's Esenin)

You see Americans what unpredictable effect your Hamburgers could have.:X

[Photo Guy]

i am not going to take your orders elen, go read your own posts where you say i USED to post nonsense. all you ever post is nonsense. you are a total waste of bandwidth.

i am resigning dan, no need to ban me. this place sucks and it's because of posters like elen.

Before you go, please finish your 'j' story.  

[Elen]

naw, PhotoGuy , no chance   I'm still here

though cheers guys from this Friday I'm off at summer vacation so you will have a whole month without me

[Photo Guy]

Elen,
I was talking to Anono, who said he was leaving- 'resigning'.

Have a great vacation Elen!  

[Turboguy]

Yes, Photoguy.  It is sorta like going to the movies and when you get to the ending, the projector breaks.

[Elen]

I know Phot Guy. I meant Anono said he will not post here till I'm still at this board. I really didn't want to deprive you from the end of the story so I even said impossible for me words "I think hamburgers are better" in hope he would return for just to post the end. Sorry it 's all what I could do