Is a bikini / provacative pose a Red Flag???

[Lily]

KenC, it worked out for you because you are the man who sees through the shell and right at the essence. You noticed a real beauty in less than advantageous clothes, behind a nonsensual shot, and you made it.

[Rvrwind]

You know, I think these girls are damned if they do or damned of they don't.  Truth of the matter is that sexy photos attract attention from men!  Period!  Non sexy photos are usually ignored.  Period.

Spot on Ken!!!
And therein' lays the problem for us as an agency. If we use a professional photographer we are told all are pictures are to slick & unreal if we don't we are told they are amateurish & not worth looking at.
The bottom line is men are pigs!!! Period. They want to see flesh. The more flesh the more they are attracted like moths to a flame.
Most men will lie to your face & say no not me, well I say your full of s**t!!
The sexier & racier the photos & the more hype surrounding them aka Elena's Models (most of them never have been & never will be models, although they'd have you believe they are or were), the more men are chasing them. Honesty & all else goes right out the window. 90% of the guys who get scammed bloody well got exactly what they deserved & I have no pity for them... .

[BillyB]

First is it something that should raise a red flag? how big of a red flag? As I said earlier
that I have never met or written to a woman in a bikini photo. I don't think I made a conscious decision
about it, but obviously I did not write them back or visit these women for a reason.

Write to a bunch of women you're attracted to fully clothe or not. Then let them win you over with their heart, brain and soul. Many women who wear bikinis may on average be dimwits but maybe not.

 Therefore, having photos in swimmsuits are essentially aimed to show the prospects 'you see what you get'.

I like to see what I get before commiting to any visit to an FSU woman. I feel sorry for the stict follower of Islam who finally get to see his wife on his wedding night. After pulling off her veil, she might have a mustache and after pulling off the rest of the clothes, she might be packing an extra 50 pounds on her thighs.

My fiancee only had a head shot in her profile and of course I asked for more pics. She sent them but I only got a bikini pic from her after my first visit. To tell the truth, I'm happy she doesn't give that pic to just any guy but I won't hold it against her if she did because she's an outstanding person in many ways.

The most polite woman I wrote to, through coresspondence does model clothes and lingere in Europe. She did have seductive photos in her profile but she never sent any to me after that. FSU women do dress more sexy/feminine than their American counterparts.

Some people have mentioned the abundance of bikini photos in agencies. But go to dating sites where the women themselves control what pics they post. There is an abundance of those pics there too.

Although lust may get the better of us men in searching for a woman, we do need to be physically attracted to the woman we are to marry otherwise your love life will suffer and if you perform bad, her love life will suffer too. Not a good senario.

Here's a question. Is it a red flag if a woman says she's a virgin in her profile? I've seen 3 or 4 profiles like that. My feelings are if a woman says she's a virgin, she wants the attention from one man or many men. Certainly a profile that says that will attract many men.

[Lily]

Here's a question. Is it a red flag if a woman says she's a virgin in her profile? I've seen 3 or 4 profiles like that. My feelings are if a woman says she's a virgin, she wants the attention from one man or many men. Certainly a profile that says that will attract many men.

With saying this, she probably wants to tell 'I am new at this, please be extra careful with me'.

However, the man may eventually be embarrassed if he..well how do I say that  does not notice that it is her very first time?  Female bodies may be built in slightly different ways, you know 

[Jazzyclassy]

Bill , did not read what the other posted

telling my opinion about that, I think it is a red flag as if the woman is so nice and smart and kind why would she post her pic in a bikini???
if she posts the pic in the bikini that means there is nothing else she can attract a guy with

Do not look at my avatar ahahah it is very little plus am not in the bikini in general am in shorts and I was  in the park where almost everybody was dressed like that  and even worse and am not looking for a man

well if it is the pic of like so many people somewhere in the beach and the girl is like in a normal pose ,  not like some bending or puting her leg somewhere , it all depends on how she poses as well

but in general it is not a good impression really , it is like she wants the guys to be attracted to her meat first of all and maybe then to her silly head or she has a complex of being ugly and by posting her nice pic in the bikini she is trying to prove that she is something ok  and can afford to post such pic over the net as she has not a bad figure in comparison with other girls for example or she  simply likes such kinda half naked pic . I do not know really it could be anything to it, but as I already said it is a red flag .

[acrzybear]

The bottom line is men are pigs!!! Period. They want to see flesh. The more flesh the more they are attracted like moths to a flame.
Most men will lie to your face & say no not me, well I say your full of s**t!!
The sexier & racier the photos & the more hype surrounding them aka Elena's Models (most of them never have been & never will be models, although they'd have you believe they are or were), the more men are chasing them.

Now I enjoy looking at a beautiful lady as well as the next guy, but as far as looking for that ever elusive life partner I prefer the more natural look.  What I am looking for is natural beauty, some modesty and a sense of style. I am not interested in having seductive photos of my wife all over the net for every Tom Dick and Harry to see (what can I say I'm greedy that way) and get his jollies off of.

  But I tend to be more private and keep to myself, hell it took me over 2 years to post a photo of myself here. 

[HiTech]

I would say the following are not provocative but simply beauty shots.

[Lily]

Agree. Those three are made not in the natural environment, they are all studio made but are really tasteful and beautiful, in my opinion.

[Kuna]

I would say the following are not provocative but simply beauty shots.

... and???  Based on the photos do you think she would be a good girl to write to?

There is no correct answer to that but I think too many men are impressed by photos like this then they complain when they don't "click" with women when they meet. 

A picture might tell a thousand words but I just want a few honest comments thanks... 

[Shadow]

... and???  Based on the photos do you think she would be a good girl to write to?

A picture might tell a thousand words but I just want a few honest comments thanks... 

Not for me. Not only you might not want to see her without the make-up and retouching, but her exprassion is not exactly that of a friendly woman. 

[William3rd]

Bear- do you have a bikini shot for us? Or are you just too shy?

[Gator]

I think Hitech's woman makes a wonderful statement in her first photo.  One can get a good idea of her figure without the latter two.  Nevertheless, I would much prefer natural photos such as these examples of a fine specimen. 

Come on Bear and William III.

[William3rd]

Wow- and I thought Marlon Brando was dead. . . . .

Is he going to make a new movie or are these just some papparrazi shots?

[HiTech]

Kuna: I am writing to her, and was pleasantly surprised by the correspondence so far.

I also know the gut feeling you are talking about with very provocative/slutty swim suit photos. It can be "Nah, not worth writing".

Dale

[KenC]

Agree. Those three are made not in the natural environment, they are all studio made but are really tasteful and beautiful, in my opinion.

Completely agree, Lily.
KenC

[Jazzyclassy]

I hate to tell my opinion here , but she really looks bitchy and evil like Shadow pointed no way near of friendly look, she is just all  for the money probably
though I can not but agree  the photos are of a very good quality

[KenC]

I hate to tell my opinion here , but she really looks bitchy and evil like Shadow pointed no way near of friendly look, she is just all  for the money probably
though I can not but agree  the photos are of a very good quality

Jazzy,
And just how can you make such a conclusion based on the photos?
KenC

[Serebro]

Bear- do you have a bikini shot for us? Or are you just too shy?

Give him another couple of years, William

[Rvrwind]

Give him another couple of years, William

Lets not go there OKAY....

[Jazzyclassy]

Jazzy,
And just how can you make such a conclusion based on the photos?
KenC

I can not explain I feel so , she has a negative aura and bad dark energy , it is all about my personal feelings when I look at her photo  nothing personal just my first impression about the pictures why not , I might be mistaken , but I do not think I am

it especially makes me laugh ahahha  this kinda sentence on her photos

Loveme.com ahahhaha really cheap tricks

[Todd]

I know that Elena's models have guidelines for women posting photos.  My wife showed it to me last year.  However, it was all in Russian, and I couldn't find the link going through the English site.  However, one thing that impressed me about the instructions was how cut and dried they were.  However, the posting of photos for men are rather cut and dried nowadays as well.  If one of the Russian speaking people can find this link, it might be illuminating for this discussion.

As for myself personally, I was most interested in the profile of the person.  For example, the thing that intrigued me most about my wife's profile was the age range that she listed, 35-40.  I was very curious about why she would pick such a narrow range.  (I was 36 at the time as well.)

Todd

[HiTech]

Jazzy: Loveme.com is A foreign affairs web sight address, they put that water mark on all there pictures.

And I know what you see about the cold look of the photos. That look is why I was very surprised with the style of her letters.

I also just tried a little test. If I cover all of her pictures from the bottom of the nose down, It looks like a very sad look to me.

And the expression you see in the Portrait is not at all in the snap shots she sent me via email. And no they were not Bikini shots.

[Misha]

I know that Elena's models have guidelines for women posting photos.  My wife showed it to me last year.  However, it was all in Russian, and I couldn't find the link going through the English site.  However, one thing that impressed me about the instructions was how cut and dried they were.  However, the posting of photos for men are rather cut and dried nowadays as well.  If one of the Russian speaking people can find this link, it might be illuminating for this discussion.


Todd

Elena's models has a site in Russian at this address: http://www.zamuzh.com/.
They have what they call 101 Tips on How to Marry a Foreigner (http://www.zamuzh.com/book/index.htm) and among the tips they provide advice on clothes and how to take the best photo (http://www.zamuzh.com/book/photos/next6.htm).

Their advice (my translation):

"The absolute leader [referring to clothes] in the fight for male attention: the bathing suit. Such photos will be seen as both sexual and at the same time quite decent. If your figure allows it, absolutely take a photo in a bathing suit!"

[KenC]

Jazzy: Loveme.com is A foreign affairs web sight address, they put that water mark on all there pictures.

And I know what you see about the cold look of the photos. That look is why I was very surprised with the style of her letters.

I also just tried a little test. If I cover all of her pictures from the bottom of the nose down, It looks like a very sad look to me.

And the expression you see in the Portrait is not at all in the snap shots she sent me via email. And no they were not Bikini shots.

HiTech,
What can you conclude from the photos?  That this girl is beautiful in these photos and has tastefully selected these photos.  These may be the three best photos she ever took in her life.  They could be old photos and she could have added 300 lbs since they were taken.  The photos may have been retouched and eliminated some serious skin disease.  Do I really think this is the case? No,  She is a beautiful woman with excellent taste in swimware and photos.  (You gotta start somewhere and it might as well be with "beautiful.")

Even though the only criteria we men have to begin with is the profile and photos, one shouldn't put too much into them.  The girls may have been coached through both.  Only one on one contact (first through correspondence and later face to face) will truly expose the woman for who she really is (good or bad).  But like I said, if it is just a starting point, you might as well start with beautiful.
KenC

[I/O]

Nevertheless, I would much prefer natural photos such as these examples of a fine specimen. Come on Bear and William III.

So, which is the more natural?

KenC: Although I understand the point you are making, you and I sit on different sides on this one.  Having been married to a PT model, I guess I have some idea of critical appraisal of photos (We went over and over hundreds of them) and after a while one DOES read a lot more from photos than I suspect some guys do. Nevertheless, no matter how spectacularly stunning a photo is, if I cant get a good read on the eyes, the lady (When I was searching) never got a second glance from me.

For me, photos are a lot more than just a start so to say.

I/O