Natashaclub.com, russian-brides-club.com and fiance.com

[orlando]

Hi,

I read on this site that all russian women sites have scammers one more other less.

I ask because i see cloned profiles with diferent ID numbers (amm, when i post my profile normally "copy & paste" my description  ) but i can see profiles that does not appear in other sites and this site publish her full names (Fiance.com).

My questions is simple, anyone have experiences with one of these sites?

natashaclub.com, russian-brides-club.com and fiance.com?

thank's

[Kuna]

fiance.com is a scam.

No doubt... no hesitation... no damn excuses!

After My Girl and I met I saw her profile on this site (listed in the "new listings" section).  I didn't say anything but I thought "What the hell?"

I joined the site with a fake profile and fake photo, and sent an email.  The very next day I got a lovely response... but it wasn't her writing.  I know she was on a train on the way to Moscow at the time...  the standard of English was vastly different from hers... and the "facts" about her life were different from reality.

I emailed the site admin (IMPORTANT LEGAL MATTER in the subject line) with proof of their scam and got a written apology and a refund of my money.  Her profile was removed within a day.  From memory the emails I received were coming out of the USA...  So don't trust an agency JUST because they claim to have foreign owners...

They used the excuse that they couldn't control all of the agencies that are affiliates but they would talk to the local agency in Dnepr.

BS...  they know very well that they are putting fake profiles on their site and the infamous "Agency Email" (instead of private email) just means the agency staff are answering emails NOT the women listed.

The women are real but unfortunately (at least some) don't even know they are listed and certainly aren't responding to the message. 

When choosing a website why waste time?

EM's (but be careful of the scammers)
freepersonal.ru (but be careful of the scammers)
bride.ru (but be careful of the scammers)

There might be other sites some men would recommend but based on my experience I would not touch fiance.com!

Kuna

[jb]

I don''t know any thing about those sites but that's a really cute avatar.

[orlando]

Well, you say that "one" girl try to scam you? I found good comments here about Fiance.com but always with careful.
I think that all agencies have scammers and EM isn't an exception

freepersonal.ru  i think no, its like datemefree.org and in Bride.ru 4 of 5 that i contacted was scammers.

You think that all names published on Fiance aren't real?

...

More comments about these websites?

[catzenmouse]

fiance.com is a warehouse type of site. Many of the profiles are pushed out there from small agencies that find it easier to use this service than to run their own site.

My wife had a profile there that her local agency put there. I never contacted her through there but instead met her the first time in person while I was in Omsk.

I tried fiance.com a couple of times and had one that I was pretty sure was a scammer. The other couple that I wrote to there sent me thank you notes for taking the time to tell them I would not be continuing our correspondence after I met Elena.

If I was looking now I would use Bill & Helen at Lviv Brides if I was going to Ukraine or Richard at Tver Angels if I was going to Russia. I would not even bother with fiance.com or Elenas Models or any other warehouse type of site.

FWIW,
 Ken

[orlando]

fiance.com is a warehouse type of site. Many of the profiles are pushed out there from small agencies that find it easier to use this service than to run their own site.

My wife had a profile there that her local agency put there. I never contacted her through there but instead met her the first time in person while I was in Omsk.

I tried fiance.com a couple of times and had one that I was pretty sure was a scammer. The other couple that I wrote to there sent me thank you notes for taking the time to tell them I would not be continuing our correspondence after I met Elena.

If I was looking now I would use Bill & Helen at Lviv Brides if I was going to Ukraine or Richard at Tver Angels if I was going to Russia. I would not even bother with fiance.com or Elenas Models or any other warehouse type of site.

FWIW,
 Ken

Ok, this mean that all girls aren't scammer right? and ...

what about natashaclub.com and russian-brides-club.com?

I don't know how it works. The site says that i need to buy credits to read letters but i can send and read for free maybe is a "bug", i'm confused. I see on this site some profiles that appear in EM and in AFA(loveme.com), this girls are real? and this site are a wherehouse too?

[catzenmouse]

I don't know anything about those other sites. Yes, AFA and Elena's are warehouse types of sites. Yes, there are honest girls and scammers at just about every site out there.

The best way to avoid the greatest majority of them is to deal directly with a local agency that is trustworthy. The two I listed are the only two that I would deal with if I was at the looking stage.

Ken

[BillyB]

what about natashaclub.com and russian-brides-club.com?

I don't know how it works. The site says that i need to buy credits to read letters but i can send and read for free maybe is a "bug", i'm confused. I see on this site some profiles that appear in EM and in AFA(loveme.com), this girls are real? and this site are a wherehouse too?

Natashaclub and Russian-brides-club are 1st international affiliates. I bought three addresses from women there and none responded. Also one gal I wrote to from another site was removed for possible scamming reasons and I talked to the owner, an FSU man living in Florida, and he said a European man turned her in. Now it seems one can't buy addresses anymore at those sites and it's possibly a membership/credit/token system in which I don't prefer. Other than that, I say they're a decent agency out of Florida.

http://www.1st-international.com/

Orlando, if you have 4 scammers out of 5 women responding to you, then you're focusing on the wrong women. Keep in mind, most sincere women won't be interested in you but scammers always will be.

[USCFAN]

Fiance.com almost single handedly turned me away from pursuing any kind of a relationship with a FSUW.

At one time I was writing upwards of 14 ladies through the site. Mostly just general, getting to know you kind of stuff. Anyway, I was clued in by someone that Fiance.com was related to Anastasia.com ... which really put up a red flag. So I asked every lady for their address or phone number ... and every one, even those I had written to for a couple of months refused, had some excuse saying the agency wouldn't let them (even though in the rules of the site it's okay) saying they had no phone, that they needed to write through the site for translations, on and on and on ... it was capped off by absolutely beautiful (at least the pictures were nice) 26 year old from Zap in the Ukraine. Within a few letters she was pouring it on, but she sent me her phone number so I thought she might be legit ... until 2 weeks later when I got the "Mom has cancer" letter, needed money, and so on and so on.

I totally stopped any kind of looking for a while. Then I found this board, met some really nice people in Denver (AM-RW) couples, made a few friends here, made a great friend in Denver who has been over to Ukraine several times, and my 'fire' got lit again. I'm heading to Kiev in less than 2 weeks.

Long story, but if you had a bad experience with Fiance.com, you are not alone. That's why I thought I'd share. What I learned is not to give up. That this journey is worth it, as many of the happy couples here will attest too. Best of luck in your continued search ...

Steve

[Makkin]

USC,

  Glad to hear your headed to Ukraine and hope you have a great time with everything.

  So far I'm planning on Czech Republic visit as well as Russia in one trip but my dates are not set due to certain things that are keeping me put.

  I will probably try Richards service there in Russia if he has time for me in his schedule? Maybe I should contact him on a business note.

  Have fun USC and I apologize for being off topic here.

Makkin

[Kuna]

Well, you say that "one" girl try to scam you? I found good comments here about Fiance.com but always with careful.
I think that all agencies have scammers and EM isn't an exception

freepersonal.ru  i think no, its like datemefree.org and in Bride.ru 4 of 5 that i contacted was scammers.

You think that all names published on Fiance aren't real?

...

More comments about these websites?

Orlando...

Did you READ my post???  Perhaps it's a comprehension problem? 

No girl tried to scam me... I am marrying the girl.  After we met and hit it off fiance.com added her profile through the affiliate site (months after she listed herself as usual through the affiliate) and when I tested the listing (by sending an email) they responded and pretended to be her.

I contacted site admin and proved they were scammers and they apologised for the "misunderstanding", removed her profile from that site and four others... and refunded my money (joining fee for the test email I sent).

She wasn't listed with them but they were sending out messages pretending to be her...  Get it?  The site was the scammer - not the girl!! 

Now... as for freepersonals.ru there's no doubt you'll find scammers there...  but only the fools will be trapped by those scammers. The good thing is you don't have to pay anything to schmucks like fiance.com.  ... and if you don't use Western Union you won't be scammed.

I agree with what someone else said earlier... If 4 out of 5 women you wrote to were scammers you must have a "kick me" sign taped to your back... Either that or you don't know what a scammer is!

How old are you and what age women are you contacting?

Is it possible you are predominately contacting women displaying sexy pics and lots of cleavage?

Are the women you're contacting all saying they are looking for someone aged 30 - 80?


I joined Elena's models but found My Girl on Freepersonals.  She was listed at other pay sites (I assume affiliate schemes) but I figured if I could get her contact info for free through freepersonals.ru or join another pay site I would contact her the free way.

Finally...  if you're looking for a method with a no scammer guarantee I suggest you contact Thor.  If you read his old posts you'll see his spiel says you won't meet a scammer through him and his "associates".  He also says they get something like a 50% success rate so if I were you I would take him up on his offer and ask for a guarantee on that 50% success rate.  I assume that means "take two trips and they'll get ya married"... if not maybe he'll reimburse you for airfares and accommodation as well.

Of course I'm being frivolous but you won't find any easy way to do this.  My advice is to either use a reputable agency (like Richards) or join sites that only charge for a time period (not per letter) and stick by the 10 Commandments you'll find in the main menu of RWD.

If you've got your head screwed on right (i.e. you're looking for age appropriate women and you're not thinking with the "little fella") you should be able to write to 50 women and get at least 5 you want to keep corresponding with.  I think BillyB wrote to 500 women initially so if you have enough time you might want to do that too (he used bride.ru I think). If you're looking for an easier path pm Rvrwnd... he'll take a lot of the BS out of the search for you.

It's not easy though... it's hard work.  You need to be half smart and damn determined!  If not, you're wasting your time.

There's no one way to find success on this journey but there are a million ways to stuff it up!

Best of luck,

Kuna

[BillyB]

Orlando,

After looking through 1st international a little more closely, I take back what I said about them. They are under new ownership and things could be completely different as far as running a clean operation. Also they now charge more credits to open letters from some women than others. Of course the more popular women are going to be more expensive to communicate with.

[orlando]

Orlando...

Did you READ my post???  Perhaps it's a comprehension problem? 

No girl tried to scam me... I am marrying the girl.  After we met and hit it off fiance.com added her profile through the affiliate site (months after she listed herself as usual through the affiliate) and when I tested the listing (by sending an email) they responded and pretended to be her.

I contacted site admin and proved they were scammers and they apologised for the "misunderstanding", removed her profile from that site and four others... and refunded my money (joining fee for the test email I sent).

She wasn't listed with them but they were sending out messages pretending to be her...  Get it?  The site was the scammer - not the girl!! 

Now... as for freepersonals.ru there's no doubt you'll find scammers there...  but only the fools will be trapped by those scammers. The good thing is you don't have to pay anything to schmucks like fiance.com.  ... and if you don't use Western Union you won't be scammed.

I agree with what someone else said earlier... If 4 out of 5 women you wrote to were scammers you must have a "kick me" sign taped to your back... Either that or you don't know what a scammer is!

How old are you and what age women are you contacting?

Is it possible you are predominately contacting women displaying sexy pics and lots of cleavage?

Are the women you're contacting all saying they are looking for someone aged 30 - 80?


I joined Elena's models but found My Girl on Freepersonals.  She was listed at other pay sites (I assume affiliate schemes) but I figured if I could get her contact info for free through freepersonals.ru or join another pay site I would contact her the free way.

Finally...  if you're looking for a method with a no scammer guarantee I suggest you contact Thor.  If you read his old posts you'll see his spiel says you won't meet a scammer through him and his "associates".  He also says they get something like a 50% success rate so if I were you I would take him up on his offer and ask for a guarantee on that 50% success rate.  I assume that means "take two trips and they'll get ya married"... if not maybe he'll reimburse you for airfares and accommodation as well.

Of course I'm being frivolous but you won't find any easy way to do this.  My advice is to either use a reputable agency (like Richards) or join sites that only charge for a time period (not per letter) and stick by the 10 Commandments you'll find in the main menu of RWD.

If you've got your head screwed on right (i.e. you're looking for age appropriate women and you're not thinking with the "little fella") you should be able to write to 50 women and get at least 5 you want to keep corresponding with.  I think BillyB wrote to 500 women initially so if you have enough time you might want to do that too (he used bride.ru I think). If you're looking for an easier path pm Rvrwnd... he'll take a lot of the BS out of the search for you.

It's not easy though... it's hard work.  You need to be half smart and damn determined!  If not, you're wasting your time.

There's no one way to find success on this journey but there are a million ways to stuff it up!

Best of luck,

Kuna

Thanks for your response, now I understood well. I do not look girls with hot photos , i know that normally they are scammers. I'm 26 years old and my range of search is 21 to 27 y/o, and normally I contact the girls who touch instrument as piano or violin, this way to have something in common.

I'm one year old looking and have contacted many misses. For ignorance I began in places like CupidBay, DatemeFree and FriendFinder, but I was never be scammed since in every email I check the IP, origins, I compare photos, I look for parts of letters in Google and his emails addresses to find signs of scam. (Thank's for the scam card posted here)

Only defrauds a little that scammers use photos and descriptions of real and honest girls to extract some money.

Now i use with careful some sites recommended here, thank's

[orlando]

Natashaclub and Russian-brides-club are 1st international affiliates. I bought three addresses from women there and none responded. Also one gal I wrote to from another site was removed for possible scamming reasons and I talked to the owner, an FSU man living in Florida, and he said a European man turned her in. Now it seems one can't buy addresses anymore at those sites and it's possibly a membership/credit/token system in which I don't prefer. Other than that, I say they're a decent agency out of Florida.

http://www.1st-international.com/

Orlando, if you have 4 scammers out of 5 women responding to you, then you're focusing on the wrong women. Keep in mind, most sincere women won't be interested in you but scammers always will be.

Hi, i see a girl that live in Kherson in one of these sites but she appear Angelika.net too with photo and video.
I can read some post here about angelika network with good comments as a reputable agency, its a good sign?
I mean Angalika network does not have a system to know if she are interested, but some sites yes, if a girl appear in angelika is a good signal or maybe are a copy of her profiles?

It's possible to know the origin agency of a girl without contact her? and to do direct contact with the agency?

[Bruno]

It's possible to know the origin agency of a girl without contact her? and to do direct contact with the agency?

I was two time owner of agency and i can assure you that the "black sheep" is not always where people think... Sometime, it is the original agency who sell profiles to other agency... When i have start my first site, i have buy around 50 profiles with photo at other agency... and you will not be surprised to find different package on the market... sexy or half naked profile are more expensive... some agency give a free bonus of 10 ladies if you buy a package of 50... of course, the 10 free are old or ugly or with 3 childs or more...

When i was starting my second site, i have buy a e-mail package... mean only e-mail of FSU ladies... 1000 for something like 50$... around 25% was dead e-mail...

My point is that big agency rip you when they ask 10$ for contact information... they have certainly buy it at local agency at very low price... in some case ( i know one ), agency pay ladies 20$ for the making of profile and photo... and in FSU, 20$ is 20$... specialy if you don't need to pay the professional photo and you receive a copy for yourself...

Some here have speak about the Richard case... yep, he is good... and he interview personaly each lady about her motivation... result is a little site with only a few ladies... do you think that big agency with 10000 profiles can make the same work... specialy when the staff is located at the other side of the world !!!

When i was with my second site... i was working 60 hours week on it... almost all the time was used for check IP, for check in scam database, for check hidden tag in picture send, etc... and same so, i have find a few scammers and one false passport between my 500 girls... but for information, i was making the same check for men... you will be surprised that more men was not saying the thrue that ladies... by example : men saying tghat they was from UK or US but with a IP located in Turkey or Brazil...

If you are not afraid of the naked truth... ask Richard what he think of some Western man seeking a RW... Here, on these forum, we have men who are almost normal... but once you are in the business, you see everything... keyboard romeo, liar, sex maniac, men seeking a domestic slave, etc...

Now, if you don't believe me about price being to much high in the business... allow me to show you a example... if a site pay me 60% of any referal send to them, it mean that with the 40% remaining, they have some benefice... it mean that price are in reality 60% to much high...

You wish good agency... by example, i know one in Biskek... e-mail to the lady is free... the only thing is that they charge a lot of $$$ in case of success... yes, in case of K1 or marriage, they charge ( i am not sure ) 600$... but your pay only in case of success... ask Turbo how much $$$ he have spend in the 10 year that he was seeking...

Orlando, good agency can be count on the finger of one hand... yes, they are more... for the French speaking people, i know a very good one... almost free... but like Richard make with the ladies, these agency accept customer only after a personal interview with the man... around 200 marriage last year... with almost 15 babies these year  ...

Now, about your 4 on 5 scam problem... i will not worry too much... you are very young, so you target very young too... it is normal... unfortunaly, the majority of scammer show themself like young ladies ( it attract the old rich western man )... in your case, i think that the best is to take some tourist holliday in FSU... go like tourist... you will maybe make some encounter, maybe find someone valuable... but the more important, you will learn a lot... and if you become friend with some Russian man ( difficult task )... once the friendship exist, he will seek for you the perfect bride...

Kuma have speak about our nordic friend... but if he have knw success, it is because he was with a very good friend in FSU who have help him !!!

The best thing to make now is simply read these forum... same the old post... in each post, take what YOU feel to be a good advice... and build YOUR own method...

[Rvrwind]

Orlando I can give you this info about my ladies:
They are 100% real
They are 100% serious.
They 100% write their own letters.
Your chances of finding a scammer are 0.1%!!!
Like Bruno said, I interveiw every lady or my partner does. I know 75% to 85% of them personally. I live in the same town & see them on the streets, shopping, at he heatre & resturants. The wharehouse sites will neer give you that or the background info I can give.
Where's DKMM when I need him, LOL.
Read the homepage on my site & you will understand why I can make such claims.
Just click on the ad in my signature line!

[orlando]

Now, about your 4 on 5 scam problem... i will not worry too much... you are very young, so you target very young too... it is normal... unfortunaly, the majority of scammer show themself like young ladies ( it attract the old rich western man )... in your case, i think that the best is to take some tourist holliday in FSU... go like tourist... you will maybe make some encounter, maybe find someone valuable... but the more important, you will learn a lot... and if you become friend with some Russian man ( difficult task )... once the friendship exist, he will seek for you the perfect bride...

Kuma have speak about our nordic friend... but if he have knw success, it is because he was with a very good friend in FSU who have help him !!!

The best thing to make now is simply read these forum... same the old post... in each post, take what YOU feel to be a good advice... and build YOUR own method...

Very helpful comments my good friend, i will hear your wise words , thank's.

My personal experience about the 4 of 5 scammer are in Bride.ru that i see recommended here many times, but she made the first contact in all cases.

[orlando]

Orlando I can give you this info about my ladies:
They are 100% real
They are 100% serious.
They 100% write their own letters.
Your chances of finding a scammer are 0.1%!!!
Like Bruno said, I interveiw every lady or my partner does. I know 75% to 85% of them personally. I live in the same town & see them on the streets, shopping, at he heatre & resturants. The wharehouse sites will neer give you that or the background info I can give.
Where's DKMM when I need him, LOL.
Read the homepage on my site & you will understand why I can make such claims.
Just click on the ad in my signature line!

I will check your site with more detail, but in a quick view only i can say WOW about your miss Tver 2007

thank's

[Rvrwind]

I will check your site with more detail, but in a quick view only i can say WOW about your miss Tver 2007

thank's

Very nice lady...very down to earth & soft spoken & a very sexy voice. Actually she lives only a half a block from me & we have ridden the bus together on several occaisions & I see her at the local market quite often. Nice lady who deserves a very good man. We have talked many times. Not too mention she is hot as h*ll & guys on the street do take notice!!
and Your Welcome

[Todd]

Orlando,

In your post, you mention that you are 26.  Before starting this process in earnest, make sure that you have the financial wherewithal to see this through to completion.  When all was said and done, I think the overall process cost me about $30,000, which is quite a bit when you consider that all my flights and most of the hotels were free due to my use of points and miles. 

Also, I would only give my age as late twenties rather than 26.  It might be women are looking at your age and deciding you just fell off the turnip truck.  Also, I would say that most Russian women prefer men that are ideally 2-4 years older or more; thus, you might want to target the under 25 group. 

Todd

[acrzybear]

The wharehouse sites will neer give you that or the background info I can give.
Where's DKMM when I need him, LOL.
Read the homepage on my site & you will understand why I can make such claims.
Just click on the ad in my signature line!

 I will vouch for Richard in that he does know his ladies, recently I asked Richard to suggest some flowers and appropriate gifts for a birthday.  He inquired what my price range was and then made the appropriate recommendations, I told him what I wanted and he put everything together.  The lady I am writing to has a young son and I've always tried to include him (with letters directly to him and such), well I forgot to tell Richard to get a gift for the little guy (so he wouldn't feel left out when mom got all of the goodies). Richard got a gift for him without me even mentioning it, needless to say this went over very well with mom and son.

 During my communications with Richard he has gotten a feel for the type of guy I am, what I want and what I am looking for, Richard is the sole reason why I am writing to this one lady in particular and has been very helpful in answering questions and tailoring his services to my needs.   

 You can not and will not get this type of service with any of the larger agencies.

 

[ScottinCrimea]

Orlando,

In your post, you mention that you are 26.  Before starting this process in earnest, make sure that you have the financial wherewithal to see this through to completion.  When all was said and done, I think the overall process cost me about $30,000, which is quite a bit when you consider that all my flights and most of the hotels were free due to my use of points and miles. 

Also, I would only give my age as late twenties rather than 26.  It might be women are looking at your age and deciding you just fell off the turnip truck.  Also, I would say that most Russian women prefer men that are ideally 2-4 years older or more; thus, you might want to target the under 25 group. 

Todd

Good advice.  RW will often not realize that there is a difference between RM and AM as far as the age that they have financial stability.  They may show interest because they think you have money through your family or they may disregard you as not being of an age where you have the financial means to complete the process.

As a general rule, RM who have money through family connections are quite frivolous with their cash and the insincere RW might hope that they can take advantage of this foolishness to score a few bucks.

[orlando]

hehe, i know. Well, i have my own company, i'm my own boss and i'm financial secure, (well more than financial secure ) but always i maintain in secret, i want a woman that fall in love by my values and not my money, when she come with my will be a nice surprise for her.

About the age as you says i need you look under 25, but i don't know if a girl between 18-20 really want to marry because i see in many cases that some scam agencies pays to her to send letter to guys like us.

[orlando]

Good advice.  RW will often not realize that there is a difference between RM and AM as far as the age that they have financial stability.  They may show interest because they think you have money through your family or they may disregard you as not being of an age where you have the financial means to complete the process.

As a general rule, RM who have money through family connections are quite frivolous with their cash and the insincere RW might hope that they can take advantage of this foolishness to score a few bucks.

I agree

[jb]

orlando,

If you are a successful businessman in Santiago, you are indeed a lucky man.  The last time I was in Santiago I saw lots of stunning young women there, I can't imagine why you are shopping in the FSU.   

One difference you will note between SA women and FSU women is body shapes,,, SA women tend to be bigger busted, and FSU women have longer legs, (I swear, they go all the way up to the neck).  It's whatever turns you on, my friend.

Happy hunting.