Kherson Girls

[Icarus]

I woke up this morning, checked my email, then logged onto RWD and what a sight to see and read so much interest in the Kherson Girls agency 

I have a few comments to make, which I will state from the outset are "off topic". Why is there such a pattern of verbally beating up on a newcomer?

I have seen it so many times. Not wishing to bag my fellow countryman, but I/O even started a thread called; "Newbies Dont Belong"

Is the hazing that I, and others have recieved an initiation, a passage of rites. Are you the old timers, experienced members here trying to defend something so holy, their egos perhaps. Remember, you were all newcomers yourself. Check out the members list some time, and see how many members there are, that dont contribute at all, and simply disappear after a short time.

I feel that people can be from 2 categories. Those that dont know that they know sh*t, those that know that they know sh*t. I am fully aware that I know absolute sh*t about this. And guess what, Im proud as hell about that 

I am hear to learn as much as I can, so whatever happens in my pursuit of this I can make a sound judgement, and be fully equipped with the right, and YES, the wrong info (so I know what to avoid, or what the consequences, risks etc are).

I will ask silly questions, and obviously, I will get silly answers (just read some of the posts in this thread). Perhaps if we were more willing to learn, and understand, and less eager to judge, there might not be so many that join this forum, get trounced on by a few twats here and there and then go off illequipped and end up giving international dating the stereotypical reputation that it has.

I like the idea of going over the first time for myself (no not as a sex tourist), the second time for her, and the third time for us (I picked this up from one of the members here).

I dont want the candyshop experience; arrive and be overwhelmed with everything, and become the OneTripWonder. I recall there was a member with that very name, and while I dont necessarily agree with what he did, he is happy, his wife is happy, and m happy for them. I would do something different, something that works for me.

My next point, I dont want to go over, with certain expectations, only to discover how wrong I was and return to Australia with resentment. I have read posts on this forum about a man going over to the FSU got married and had the most awful experience and totally sworn off FSUW, and whats worse, they are obviously not shy about sharing it with others; the negative cycle of MOB reputation continues.

The language issue that Richard mentioned; these women do not know where thier prospective mates might come from or what language is native to him so they hold out on taking all those English lessons. That was GREAT feedback, thats what I want to know. And with that in mind it will definitely help me in this process. But again, I will ask questions about anything I can think of, I would appreciate your thoughts, not your judgement...Bruno!!!

What makes a man ready for this? You could discuss this for years. Would you really start building a house not knowing before hand if you could afford it? Building just half a house doesnt mean you can live in it, it wont keep the rain, the wind, of the Aussie sun off your back. This is just to reinforce my point, Im here to learn, to make sure Im properly prepareed. Undoubtedly, what I learn will influence my actions, but only if I let them. Of course there things that any man should do, and have before he is to look for, or bring home a foreign bride, this to I believe is different for each man, and again, dependent on a number of scenarios. But if we really need to start comparing our life's resume, then we've missed the point.

Also, I am aware of the difficulties, and the challenges that these women will face; moving to another country, giving up jobs, leaving behind family and friends and much more. Ive done it myself. Im from Australia, and yes I speak Spanish and some French, but I still lived in Asia for over a year. I travelled alot, to countries where I did not know the language and knew no-one. True, I only had myself to rely on, but from my experience in this, I like to think I have the understanding and patience to support a partner that is going through the same thing.

Regarding emotion vs business. I dont want to make any decision using the wrong "head" I read Pike's TR to, Ill leave my comments on that for another day. But as was mentioned before, being ready, and being willing and prepared are different things.

So thats my two cents...wow, look at the time, time for some lunch.

My gratitude for the feedback regarding Kherson Girls. Its hard to find any good agency these days, but Im grateful for the direction that you offer; even if its the long way round.

Ick

[Jack]

Icar I agree with you 100%.  I think it is disgusting how some of our members belittle and criticize so many newby's.  Doing such to trolls, understandable, doing such to good and sincere guys I find very disturbing and wish it could be addressed and something done about it.

[KenC]

Ick,

Welcome!!!!!!!  You can get some great advice here and also be misled.  Make sure you qualify the person administering the advice before jumping on that particular bandwagon.  Until you sort out the "haves" fro the "have nots" read the faq's in the upper left hand corner of the sign in screen.  It does lay out the basics very well/
KenC

[Rvrwind]

I like the idea of going over the first time for myself (no not as a sex tourist), the second time for her, and the third time for us (I picked this up from one of the members here).

Actually this is  very solid plan Ick...The first trip is usually very emotional & can take your breathe away for the most part. Going in checking out the lay of the land is the best way to do it. And should you happen to connect with a lvely lady all the better,but not making it your priority is a very good decsion.
The other steps follow as well it should be un,not a chore. So with that in mind, HAVE FUN!!!

[Icarus]

Thanks for the tip KenC, I started reading and got a good impression of things.

And Richard...I knew you were a softie at heart. Thanks for your best wishes. Ive seen your website, and you probably hear from me in the future also.

Thanks everyone

Ick

[Bruno]

But again, I will ask questions about anything I can think of, I would appreciate your thoughts, not your judgement...Bruno!!!

I will try but i don't promise it... sometime, it is really difficult to separate emotion from content when i post...

About "newbies"... i traet everybody the same way... newbies, OMB, administration... always say what i think same if it don't please... sorry if i am not using the US PC ( political correct ) speaking... i like to say what i think... and your member status have nothing to make with it...

Are you the old timers, experienced members here trying to defend something so holy, their egos perhaps.

Old timers have nothing to defend... they are there for try help other... not very different that a friend who give advice to a other friend... sometime in the hard way but with the goal to help...

[I/O]

Not wishing to bag my fellow countryman, but I/O even started a thread called; "Newbies Dont Belong"

Icarus: Feel free to "Bag" away but let me give you a little hint, if you want to lay a glove on, ya gotta aim at the right target.  Your quote above is a flat out lie or at very best a distortion of the facts in an attempt to support your line of reasoning.

The thread was in fact entitled "First Timers Don't Belong" and had nothing whatsoever to do with freshmen to RWD. What in fact it was about was questioning whether or not this pursuit was suitable for guys looking for a first marriage. Thereby very much involving ALL members of RWD. Just FYI here is my opening post from that thread..........

Another poster mentioned some time ago that first time passport holders probably don't belong in the pursuit of travelling to Russia or the FSU to meet a partner.  It was implied they should get some travel experience under their belt first. In general terms I happen to agree FWIW.

I wonder if perhaps the same can be said for guys who have never been married before? Are they simply "Too wet behind the ears" to make a success of this pursuit?

I/O

As you will note, if you check many of the intro threads, I very often make an effort to welcome people here and encourage them to seek advice of those more experienced than me.  I find it rather feeble when people twist words, particularly to suit some whinging agenda.

Icarus, you appear to be one of the brighter guys from my country I have noticed come to these boards and as such I reckon you are worth the effort of trying to help a little.  I do have some serious concerns regarding the religious thing and whether or not you can find an FSU lady complicant with that, but that is up to you.

Back to your thread title.  All reports I have heard about Kherson Girls have been very positive. I think you could do much worse than go that road. BTW I don't think there is too many over inflated egos (Some but not many) around here. These guys will toughen you up a little and I can assure you, you will thank them for it later because I ain't even married yet and I can vouch for the fact that it is a very tough row to hoe.

I/O

[Icarus]

I/O

Thanks for the heads up. I cited your thread from memory so if I made a mistake it was not intentional; and definitely not to support a whinging argument. I actually remember more the reply by one of the members, probably the first reply to, which was quite vigorous.

I was not trying to single you out, Ive noticed others in the forum that like to lay into newcomers. I was simply using it as an example, not a generalization of RWD as a whole.

Regarding the religious concern, I am address that at present having written to the main congregation (for lack of a better word) in Lviv. They should be able to inform me of any local groups where I could meet FSUW that share similar views. But that in mind, Im not limiting my search to that. I am being up front about it with the women I have and am in contact with. Some find it unusual, some dislike and soon after the dialogues ceases, some do not care.

Im glad to see they are not holding back. Like you said, tougening up never hurt anyone.

Cheers Mate

Ick

[I/O]

I am address that at present having written to the main congregation (for lack of a better word) in Lviv. They should be able to inform me of any local groups where I could meet FSUW that share similar views. But that in mind, Im not limiting my search to that. I am being up front about it with the women I have and am in contact with.

That is probably about the best you can do under the circumstances.

I/O

[neo]

Icarus,

i've been on and off the boards 10 years and you only have to look at the hauling i got off 2 or 3 individuals to know its not just newbies, even us old hacks take a flame when we appear. But i persist and give them it back because i've seen it done a 1000 times before, generally the guys that know the least flame the most, a little knowledge being a dangerous thing and all that.

But guys like KenC, Bruce, RvrWind, JB, Gator and the other good ol' boys make it worthwile. You need to listen to these guys because i remember being around when a lot of them where going through what you were going through and look at them now, great wives long marriages, they've been there done that and boy did they buy the t shirt. These guys know their arses from their elbow.

Theres a lot of jostling of the good ol boys from the new bucks because of the alpha male thing, they like to try and find holes in what they have done so they can make their own position more tenable, but TBH i've learnt not to know anyones experience unless tehy clearly have none. Everyone of these guys has something to teach because the sum of ALL experience is the value and not just part.

I think they are funny guys, without the half baked newbies with their inspirational theory after getting their first sniff of Olga's email there wouldnt be half the funny debates that go on, just as the raging age war wouldn't be the same without some of our more "controversal theorists but the thing i learnt is if you are a clever guy and develop a flameproof suit (i think Jack keeps a good stock for himself) then you will take on all comers, learn a lot, dismiss the crap and come away better informed.

Ive had an absoloute hoot from my time in the FSU due to all i learnt about getting round from all these old farts who sit about dishing it up

I;ve used agencies, gone solo and all sorts adn truth be told you'll find your own pace and way of doing things. as long as you stay out of the moneygrabbers clutches you'll do fine.

but i wouldn't worry too much about the flaming, just lose your rag blow off some steam and give it all back.

i think its mostly sexual frustration making these guys angry

explains why KenC is so calm eh. nudge nudge wink wink.

[Kevin]

Icarus
 Sorry I didn't respond quicker. I didn't notice the threat until tonight. You can always call or email me directly if you have any questions.

About the spelling. I am the first to admit I need to rewrite the site and have it spelled check. Most of the time I'm up at 3 in the morning making changes to the site without much sleep.   If you see a page that has many mistakes please email me a link and I'll correct it. Many pages haven't been updated in years.

For my pricing I try to keep it below market. My site has both Kherson ladies and ladies from other agencies listed on it. So the pricing is based on the agency decision for their ladies. For Kherson my rates as of today for letters is $8.50 for a single letter delivered. If you are interested in sending multiple letters the membership rates start at $5 per letter and go as low as 1.78each.  The monthly membership for letters I believe is the cheapest in the industry. Also you have to consider some of the free services that are included to any clients that I must factor into the paid services. All translations, letters from ladies and daily group chats are free. So in fact when you use many agency they charge you to send a letter, translate it, translate the responce and finally charge you again to read the responce from the lady.  I feel my pricing is fair on the letters.

As far as other services it is my goal to keep them competitive and still have the funding to maintain a full time staff and office. For those who know me are aware I'm not paid by the agency for any of my work or time.

If you have some direct questions I will be glad to answer them.