Which Agencies can anyone recommend me to try

[dazzler]

Hi, I am a newbie to this site and to most things within the realms of RW.  However, I have wrote about 150 letters to Russian/Ukraine women through freepersonals.ru and well it's been ok, but  lot of effort and at times I feel like I am banging my head against a  However, I did meet the woman of my dreams from Dimitrovgrad near Samara and everything seemed amazing well for 6 months.  In that time I had spent 3 weeks with her in 2 seperate visits and we appeared to have become very close and then all of a sudden  ??? She avoided me and I will maybe explain the rest of the story some other time.  So that was 4 months ago and yes of course I am still incredibly hurt, but the fact that I dated a hot RW who also had the most wonderful personality and character shows what is and can be possible.  Bearing in mind that I am now 31 and I have never managed to find anything remotely similar here in the UK   So now I am determined to step up my efforts in my search to find this elusive thing we know as love.  But… I am bewildered and overloaded by the amount of agencies that are out there.  I am sure there are better options than freepersonals.ru, but which agencies can anyone recommend??  It seems that everytime I stumble across a so called legit and decent agency, a quick google search shows information to the contrary!  Everyone is slagging everyone else off and everyone has a bad story to tell and I am totally confused.  I mean I don't have a problem investing thousands of pounds to find love if I can at least find an agency who is honest and can help me with my desires!  that's fair enough!  So I am interested in receiving constructive advice as to what I should do. I would consider most places in the CIS, but I am especially interested in women from Ukraine and Russia (maybe not the big cities from my understanding/observations of when I have visited them before).  I do not want to hear negative stories because it seems it is possible to have a negative experience at most agencies.  Just evidence and real life examples of agencies that clearly work and are bona fide!  Also any e-books/recommended reading that anyone can suggest would be fully appreciated too

Ok, I am going to continue reading and learning on this wonderfully informative forum

Dazzler (real name Darren!)

P.S. if you want to PM me then I can be reached at dazzler111111@yahoo.co.uk

[SANDRO43]

Just evidence ... of agencies that clearly work and are bona fide!

Of course we have that, but it's highly-priviliged information made available only to 5+ year members who swear an oath of secrecy, and at a VERY high cost, much more than the "thousands of pounds" that you "don't have a problem investing" .

Welcome to RWD, Darren and, more seriously, you should probably concentrate on agencies where you can eventually get a FSUW's direct contact information, and thus leave them behind you once you find a promising candidate. Free agencies are ideal in this connection, but often fraught with too many scammers.

Among the large agencies, Elena's Models and Bride.Ru are often quoted approvingly here, though they may contain a higher percentage of scammers than the smaller local agencies (two owners thereof are members here), where candidates may be vetted personally.

[Turboguy]

I would like to say that when Sandro was talking about more scammers in Elena's and Bride RU than smaller agencies I think it would be fitting to add that there are also fewer scammers with those two he named than many options you might try.   The two small agencies he talked about are very honest and know thier women personally.

Some of the ones I would recommend are.

Elena's Models was the main one I used and probably has coupled more people here than any other 5 agencies put together.  Others I would call good are.

Cindy Agency,
Kiev Connections
Russian Pearls
Tver Angels
Kherson Girls
FirstDream
Bride.ru
Merry Dating
Club World Relations

[dazzler]

Thanks guys, that's just the kind of help I was seeking Just 1 thing I did miss though.  Did Sandro ever mention the 2 small agencies??  Or am I being stupid?  I am sure they were never mentioned ???  Anyway it seems I have a good list (most of which I have not heard of!) to check out so this is a good start   I notice Elenas Models get a lot of positive mentions so maybe they are a safe bet even if they are not the cheapest

Oh, and finally to clear up any confusion about the money issue, I do have a problem in the sense that I must work damn long hours to fund my expensive adventures into the world of RW, but I am happy to do this if it means finding the true love that I always dreamed of finding.  it just so happens I have had no luck whatsoever in finding the type of woman I would like to meet here in the UK and I am so captivated by FSUW  

Ok, I am off to read the 10 comandments and all that horrible red flag stuff   Funny enough that girl I dated from Samara aged 24 appeared to be no red flags at all although she never introduced me to her family or her close friends  (did meet her English course friends though if this counts?).  Anyway it seems after we became really close that she suddenly went cold on me and I never did find out why despite asking her repeatedly. All she ever says is "that is in the past now and I do not want to talk about it", but after investing a couple of thousand pounds to visit her 3 times and send her gifts and put so much effort into the relationship I feel really short changed.  And for her to become so close with me and then just dump me the way she did seems so cold, but I guess I have had that experience here in the UK too so I was probably just unlucky.  Must move on now

[jb]

Dazzler, Darren;

Don't be down hearted about this.  I think a problem a lot of guys run into when they pick out those "Smokin'hotkovas" is that they have a fair amount of competition for the fair maiden's hand.  It may be something as simple as she may have also been exchanging e-mails with another guy who lives in a more desirable climate.  The South of France, or Foggy Old London, sort of thing.  You lose, he wins.  She made a decision, get on with your life.

Pick up your chips and lay another bet.

[SANDRO43]

Thanks guys, that's just the kind of help I was seeking Just 1 thing I did miss though.  Did Sandro ever mention the 2 small agencies??  Or am I being stupid?  I am sure they were never mentioned ??? 

My unforgivable omission, I didn't realise you were in such a frightful hurry at 2:00 AM . They are cited in T/G's list, namely Tver Angels & Kherson Girls .

[SANDRO43]

Anyway it seems after we became really close that she suddenly went cold on me and I never did find out why despite asking her repeatedly. All she ever says is "that is in the past now and I do not want to talk about it"

I may have already related something that happened to me MANY years ago: I was courting a girl who was giving me the hot-and-cold treatment, after a while it hit me that if her "compass" was swinging so wildly, there must be another "magnet" attracting her "needle". I quit the fruitless quest and she eventually married the other "magnet". Some 20 years later I bumped into her by chance, learned that she was now divorced and saw her eyeing me invitingly. I ran in the opposite direction .

(did meet her English course friends though if this counts?)

Hard to say, she may just have wanted to show her newest prize-catch to her friends .

[dazzler]

Ah ha thanks Sandro  Well, this is practically 1 of the few times of the week I get to be free in any shape or form so hence the urgency!  When I have some money in a few weeks I shall invest in a few agencies and go for it so I have been using these last few weeks and the next few weeks to research.  I have found it a very bewildering and pretty daunting experience researching by myself so I am so grateful for this forum and advice from people like yourself and Turboguy.  I figure that the best place to get advice on FSUW is probably from guys like you and not from previous drunk and drug addicted housemates, but thats another story.

Thanks also to jb for your words of encouragement.  Just to let you know that what hurt me the most is the fact that she became so close with me and then when she had me at my most vulnerable i.e. the time when I was in love with her and sure that she would be faithful and loyal with me, its as if she had planned it all along.  Yes she had plenty of interest in her and admitted she'd received 300 letters!!!  But she always said it was just me and always appeared honest and sweet. Then after 6 months of constant contact, she changed just like that ???  Yes I am 100% sure it is because she met another guy, but maybe she could have talked with me a little before dating this other guy??  After all we were an item at that time and on my last visit to see her in April we had become very intimate.  Surely it was wrong of her just to avoid me and pretend nothing ever happened between us and then suddenly act cold towards me?  Anyway like you say jb lets pick up those chips and lay another bet Onwards and upwards to eternal happiness

[SANDRO43]

When I have some money in a few weeks I shall invest in a few agencies and go for it

Darren, NO need to invest IMMEDIATELY (you're starting to exhibit a worrying tendency to part with your money, I'll give you my PayPal account # if the urge becomes irresistible ).

Most if not all of those agencies accept non-paying members, some will also let you read the first letter from a FSUW for free. Join them and look around, familiarise yourself with their "catalogue" and options, THEN decide where to place your chips .

In other words, do some "window-shopping" first .

[dazzler]

Yes, good advise Sandro.  Top man thanks

I guess there are plenty of decent agencies out there after all and it's just a case of choosing which ones I feel I prefer. Then I guess I have to make contact with 5-10 women who seem promising and then whittle it down to 3-4 then go over and visit them!  Then as a backup if those women do not work out its a case of visiting an agency or 2 whilst in the area I guess? Have I pretty much nailed it Sandro?

Anything I missed?

[SANDRO43]

Then I guess I have to make contact with 5-10 women who seem promising and then whittle it down to 3-4 then go over and visit them!  Then as a backup if those women do not work out its a case of visiting an agency or 2 whilst in the area I guess? Have I pretty much nailed it Sandro? Anything I missed?

That is the ground plan generally agreed upon here, however many may chime in and advocate other alternatives (this is known as "The Great WOVO/WMVM Debate" here, see http://russianwomendiscussion.com/wiki/index.php?RWD%20Glossary for our oft-used acronyms) and, since I have NO direct FSU "field" experience, I beg to refrain from comment .

[BillyB]

Funny enough that girl I dated from Samara aged 24 appeared to be no red flags at all although she never introduced me to her family or her close friends  (did meet her English course friends though if this counts?). 

Sorry to burst your bubble dazzler but your lady was never in love with you in the way you thought. Sure you had intimacy but you were never important enough for her to introduce you to her parents. That is a Big red flag! Although she may not be a scammer but it's possible she tried to like you as a future mate but maybe you were not exactly what she was looking for and bad sex was the last straw. If you lit her fire, it's very possible you may not have been dumped.

Bride.ru is a dating site and not a marriage agency. They have no services and sell you strickly contact info. It worked for me.

Be honest with the ladies about your financial situation. If you oversell yourself now, you will be dumped later after you're found out.

Better luck on the next one.

[55North]

I've little to add to the sterling advice preceding, but would like to give Fiance.com an honourable mention.  This site produced a  couple of 'nearly visited' contacts, though it is Elena's Models that has produced THE ONE, for a second time.  Second time as in, sometimes, the lady does not, at the final moment, wish to leave friends, family and home, but this is probably more so for the maturer big city ladies with a secure job and property.  As in the UK market.  However, I doubt if this will apply at your age.
 
Good luck.  Whether you're ultimately successful or not, you're still going to have a hell of a time.

[carraig]

Hi Dazzler
Welcome!
I met my lady through loveme.com, however when I was in Kherson, I used the apartment of Kherson girls. I found Kevin the owner very helpful, and the girls in their office really helped me out a lot. I would happilly recomend Kherson girls to you based on my personal experience with their staff and facilities.

[Jazzyclassy]

Dear Dazzler

So cool to see Uk people are invading from time to time in here  

well I think you can use friends sites as well me and my wonderful amazing boyfriend met on WAYN, you can just start chatting with people do not expect that you will find her immediately cos it is really a lottery sometimes, and you should be careful with your heart, in order not to have heart breaks all the time, obviously we all make our own mistakes but it is so useful to follow the advice of somebody who already made those mistakes and are advising only  a good thing

I understand men are so easily falling for beauty and figure , though  it is so important what's inside of the person.
This site is rather nice and can give you loads of information you need, we have a lot of couples who are already married and who are in the process of getting married , engaged and so on , they all will tell you that it is not one minute journey and not an easy way to find love, but it happened that they found their happiness with russian women or women from former Soviet Union.
Never lose faith in meeting a girl in the Uk as well , cos you never know what can happen , maybe love will just strike you somewhere in Marks and Spenser Mall

We have a member here who was looking for russian women and a car accident allowed him to meet a local belgium nice great woman so  life is full of surprises really

Good luck to you and best wishes

[dazzler]

I just want to thank everyone who has given me advise on which agencies are good etc!  Very much appreciated   It's a great site this.  For sure

Interesting to read Jazzyclassy comments in particular!  Believe you me I have not given up on finding a woman here in the UK, but you must understand that I found a very special woman within just a few months of trying out the whole RW adventure!  When you consider that I had spent too many weekends out and about town both small and larger cities(through the years), Match.com, 7 or 8 SpeedDating Events, heavens above, I even tried the lonely hearts column! Not to mention numerous other dating sites here in the UK and I have gotten nowhere.  All this in the last 13 years:wallbash: It is true I have always been somewhat shy and reserved and yes I have old fashioned and traditional ways, but still NO success at all in the UK   Not even close.  Yet just a few months of hard work yielded Liuba who despite ending rather bad, I still managed to have much more of a 'dating/relationship experience' than I have ever come close to here in the UK!  Now, I know you talk a lot about beauty and figure not being everything for which I agree.  But, it is unfortunately 1 of my criteria (yes just 1 and personality and inside qualities are equally important before people misinterpret me .  Quite simply, I am seeking to find an attractive woman who is attractive on the inside too.  Nothing wrong with this is there?  For example I saw a few posts earlier of young Rusian ladies with their asses hanging out their skirt!  That is not what I seek and I wouldn't go near those profiles with a barge pole!  But by the same token I do not want to settle for someone I do  not find physically attractive if you get me!  Now it is true Liuba was incredibly attractive, but she also appeared to have a heart of gold too.  Ok it ended badly, but at least I actually had a chance with her where the same opportunity is virtually impossible here in my own country:-(  A girl like Liuba doesn't even look at me here   Just thought I'd explain this point of view as a lot of us single guys get much unfair criticism for seeking particular type of women.  As a famous quote in a book I once read explains, "Do not apologise for who you fancy".  But yes I understand the other side of the coin where us men do get taken in too easy by beauty/looks etc.  I think it is not easy for us men as we have long been programmed to appreciate beauty/looks where women are more programmed to find other traits in men such as strength and whether they can take care of them etc.

By the way, what is WAYN?

[Jazzyclassy]

well I understand, what you mean , it is a sad situation in the UK and other countries that women are not paying attention to lovely nice shy modest smart guys, they are mostly attracted to some playboys with tons of money , but well that is only just a period of time like this, this period of time will pass and things will change, do not worry

WAYN it is a friends site, called Where Are You Now , many people from all over the world are traveling and posting their guide to this or that city and there is a map there and a person is marking the place where is he now, I deleted my profile there since  we are in relationship , so I can not tell what this site looks like now, but I still hope it has not been  corrupted like others friendster and hi5 and so on

I think you need to work on your self esteem  a bit( what do you mean such ladies like Luba are not looking at me?? who are such women like Luba =Monika Beluchi or who?) and be self confident in your appearance and personality , from the pic you look like a lovely nice guy with a happy smile , so be it and  charm all the ladies around you
Of course you do not want a lady who is not attracted to you physically , none wants such match , but what am saying maybe you could try and start creating friendship first and then if you see that she is ready for something else you can work on it, I think this desire to at once find a partner for life  who would suit all your items in your long long list, is a little bit wrong, cos  we are not Gods how can we wish something and it will at once be true and real , it is impossible especially in love affairs

I think the right way is always to know what you want from the relationship and what kind of person you would like to be with and you will surely find the one who will have the same wishes and  be on the same wave with you and after you are matching as soulmates believe me all those top model standards will be left behind

and do not worry none is criticising anyone, as we are all people with our needs and we all want love and affection and to be successful in here ,we are all sort of strange and odd here in some way of course:))), that we took this step for putting the efforts in international dating, but for so many people it works very good and they are saved from being miserable and lonely.

Never lose faith in the UK and keep finding new friends and then love will just come along am sure

[pk-uk]

My search was some time ago, Darren, but  when I visited Ukraine I enlisted the help of a couple of Agencies.  One now gone, the other still aorund though - IDI-Bridge in Kharkov.

I found the agency owner, Sergey, extremely helpful and liked the way they seemed to get to know the girls on their books and would give advice on them.

I am - or was - definitely in the WMVM camp.  My modus-operandii would be to decide where I would like to go visit, leave enough time for around 3 rounds of e-mail/letter exchange, write to many saying I'm coming over, would you like to meet and whittle it down to a manageble number.

As it turns out, none of the girls from IDI-Bridge - or indeed, Kharkov - made it to the final list, but I did use Sergey's agency for letter/e-mail translation and Sergey himself helped with some of the co-ordination aspects of my tour by liasing with the girls I was going to meet; crucial for me as my Russian is around nil and the girl's English from around nil upwards.

I did get to Kharkov.  Sergey met me off the train, took me to my hotel, shared beers etc.  I also spent some time in his office the next day.  One of the interesting aspects of the agency was that they charged the woman for the first letter.  Might have changed now but it was an interesting policy applied to weed out the less sincere.

Whilst in his office a really sweet young thing in her early twenties was discussing the issue with one of the other staff.  Realising I was a punter, she called over and asked my opinion of the policy.  I gave it and went back to talking with Sergey.  Neverthless when the office closed she was still there and as I had three hours to kill asked her if she'd like dinner.

She was wonderful company and we got on really well but I ventured only as far as sending her an e-mail to say I had got home ok, as she asked.  Had she not been half my age I guess I'd have been VERY interested.

I know the ten comandment say ease out the agency as soon as possible.  However, in my case I used them to provide what services I needed and I found that by striking up personal relationships by meeting them I got good service at a good price - by that I mean more like a 'local' price than a 'tourist' price.

Good Luck,

Paul

[dazzler]

Thanks for the continued great advice and encouragement from pk and jazzyclassy!  It's very welcome to receive good honest and non-biased advise!  It is so good to ready your experiences pk.  So how did it all work out in the end?  Any luck?  I shall check that agency out too as I am currently window shopping

Yes, you are right Jazzyclassy, my self-esteem is at times very low especially within the realms of the opposite sex/getting to know women etc, but I think you can begin to understand why given all the different avenues I have tried.  You reminded me actually that I have also tried a couple of so called friends sites which well to put it bluntly or should i say directly I found to be a load of c**p, excuse my French  

But seriously, when I say girls like Liuba let me clarify this point. I am definitley not after someone with model looks (although Liuba did have these), rather I am seeking and have always seeked someone who is attractive on both the inside and outside too!  That's all!  I guess the best example I can give you is my own Mother who when I see her photos from when she was 27 and just getting to know my father she looks so pretty but in a femine way.  Interestingly, I found women in the CIS to remind me very much of how she looks back in the 1960's/70's!!!  So, I guess when I say girls like Liuba I mean girls who are both attractive on the outside but also with beaty in their soul too   This, I have found to be a rare breed in the UK nowadays   For example, In my 13 years of being an adult, I have found that I have seen many and I mean many attractive women all over UK who I would have liked to have had a simple chat with.  You know the sort of thing I mean.  For exmple "hi, you seem like a lovely person, I'd like to get to know you better".  Nothing major, just small chit chat that I might have with my male friends.  Well in my experience I have found that any woman that I have remotely found attractive (covering a lot of women here (maybe 1000's!!) are just so shielded and therefore I have found it extremely difficult just to talk with them so hence I can never know if they are my type or not   Now Liuba was a 24 year old very attractive (more attractive than is necessary, I mean she belonged on a Red Carpet   - Really she did) and yet I got to know her, albeit for just 6 months but still!!  It was a complete revelation to me and what it proved to me was that when these lovely ladies actually do get to know me then there is at least some joy   Now, don't get me wrong it all ended very abruptly and in pretty bad way and yes I got incredibly hurt of course (not scammed though, don't worry!).  Yes I still feel the pain now, though it is subsiding, but my point is at least I proved that a woman who in my own country would be totally unaproachable is at least aproachable in the CIS   Maybe it has something to do with the whole perceived higher value that social psycholoists always talk about.  For example that study from USA that was posted earlier about men prefer the attractive women and women prefer men with money!  Are we really that shallow I think the whole Hollywood and media industries have got so much to answer for

[Simoni]

My search was some time ago, Darren, but  when I visited Ukraine I enlisted the help of a couple of Agencies.  One now gone, the other still aorund though - IDI-Bridge in Kharkov.

I found the agency owner, Sergey, extremely helpful and liked the way they seemed to get to know the girls on their books and would give advice on them.

Yes, Sergey is great.  He is the ONLY agency owner that I totally trusted, and he proved himself to me time after time in Kharkov.

But Sergey has sold IDI-Bridge and moved on to real estate.   I don't know the new owners, so I can't give them a recommendation.  However, I assume Sergey would have passed his " baby" on to like minded people, given his belief that honesty in a marriage agency is of utmost importance.

[dazzler]

Ok nice 1.  IDI-Bridge is definitely worth checking out then

Well, unfortunately I have to go to work now   I wish I could stay and look some more at those wonderful photos what Thor posted from Ukraine, but it'll have to wait

Hopefully, when I get back this thread will be the biggest thread in the history of the super highway. What do you reckon?  Come on guys and gals make this the biggest thread

[Jazzyclassy]

well it is really so hard to advise any site  cos  you can not do it by a special plan as I already said, though of course I do understand such guys like you who are 30 , they want family and to settle , I feel for you , but sometimes when things are not going well with women or with work or with anything, one should try and look into himself maybe there is something he/she needs to improve in his/her personality or something, maybe the time is just not right , many things can be found here

I think you have a lot of chances to find somebody nice in the FSU , the main thing remember women like actions, deeds, they of course love sweet words but they  are aware that it all only might be words and nothing more , so if you decided to search a lady in the FSU do not be afraid to come to places and make the communication real  take the challenge and try not to repeat the mistakes you had with your previous partner from the FSU

[dazzler]

Thanks JC for your lovley words of encouagement.  Yes you are right of course I want to meet someone special and start a family because I am one of those men who believes family is 1 of the most important things 1 can build in his life.  And I do feel very empty at times being all alone and especially since I live by myself.  Unortunately I didn't have a fantastic upbringing myself and so I guess that has impacted negatively on me, but I am determined to fight on and achieve my greatest ambition of all which is to find my other half and build our own strong, happy and healthy family  

Yeah, I still think about Liuba everyday and of couse this is only natural because my feelings for her were completely true and pure.  I must of e-mailed 120-150 different ladies from freepersonals.ru over the past year and a half and although a good majority of them were attractive, well educated, smart and interesting prospects I knew there was something different about Liuba from the 1st e-mails I received from her.  Well ok, it was probably the 3rd e-mail, but I knew.  I'd seen her photos and although she wasn't my usual type necessarilly, I could see she was very attractive and interesting. 

Within a minute of seeing and speaking to her for the 1st time (at Christmas 2006)after I got of the 15 hour train from Moscow to Ulyanovsk, I knew she was the 1.  Don't ask me how, but I knew.  And what's more I already knew her because of the previous 3 months correspondence and phone calls. 

So later I would come back to see her for 2 weeks at Easter and we actually lived together in the same apartment.  Now, this was weird for me because I have never lived with another woman for more than 2 days and ultimately this lack of experiecne is what I believed killed our relationship.  Not a day goes by when I don't beat myself up about this fact or what I should have done differently or if only I could repeat it over again etc  It's painful and it hurts so much   I mean when I get involved with a girl, it is only if I am absolutley certain she is the 1 for me. So I immediately committed to Liuba the moment I stepped of the train and looked into her eyes.  From that moment I was never going to cheat or stray.  My heart was hers . 

So at Easter on the 2nd week when we became very intimate of course I took this as the signal that we were progressing our relationship and becoming more serious.  Even Liuba told me that we would have more opportunities like this in the future so naturally I felt like things were strong.  Then I headed back to UK and for 2 weeks things were normal and then something very strange happened.  I phoned Liuba on Sunday Evening like I always did and she didn’t answer?  This in itself was incredibly strange, but still maybe she was out or at her parents.  She always told me how her parents would not approve of her having a foreign boyfriend so she was cagey at times when her family were about.  Anyway she never texted me and this was the 1st day in 6 months where I was unable to contact her or hear back from her.  Well I thought little of it and tried the next day, but still no joy and then by the day after I was really starting to worry over her safety.  I even felt something bad in my stomach and heart which I now know was probably her meeting another man.  But at that time I was worried that something bad had happened to her.  This was around the same time that poor old Madeleine McCann went missing so all sorts were going through my head.  Remember in 6 months she had never played these sort of games at all!  In fact she always would go to great lengths to make sure she stayed in touch etc. 

Ok well by the 5th day I was so worried that I contacted someone at the embassy I think it was and wouldn’t you know it he managed to actually contact her and speak with her.  Oh the relief for me was finally lifted after 4-5 days of sheer hell.  She said to the other man that she would contact me.  Anyway I sent her 1 or 2 texts and still she never answered me.  So I thought nothing of it and assumed she was having massive pressures from her parents.  In fact the last thing I imagined was that she would cheat on me.  Well Tuesday of the following week came and I suddenly had this awful thought.  It suddenly occurred to me that I had not actually spoken to Liuba myself and therefore how did I really know it was her that the man from the Embassy had spoken to?  So I went through the whole pain again for 3 more days agonizing over her safety etc.  It all came to a head when I called her bluff and sent a text saying I would have to call the Russian police to report you missing and she sent me a text saying something like “What are you stupid my dear Darren, I think not!”  Well boy was I so relieved and this time I definitely knew she was safe. 

So after 2 weeks of pure agony and uncertainity/confusion I at least knew she was alive and well.  But She was not forthcoming with any news.  I chased and chased and chased for the truth but got absolutely nowhere.  In the end I managed to get her to e-mail me some kind of wishy washy typical breakup e-mail, but I could tell that what she had written in the e-mail was more to satisfy me than give me the complete truth.  I just don’t know what to think because in all my life I have never met such a lovely, innocent, honest lady with whom I have been so close with and for her to suddenly act out of character after 6 months messed my mind up so much.  I think its safe to assume that in those 2 weeks where she went ‘missing’ she obviously had met another man, but what she put me through I am sure she will never know.  Is this normal behaviour for FSU women?  Bear in mind she had no money from me or did not appear to want to come to UK although she did always go on about Spain (did she meet another foreigner who had more money than me I wonder and is taking her to Spain?).  Oh I don’t know, but I find the whole thing incredibly deceitful and very similar to what that 19 year old Maria did to poor John.  So cold it’s untrue.  And I can assure you that during the 3 weeks we spent together she was the warmest individual I have ever known!  in the UK I am such a good judge of character so I can't beleive I got her so wrong unless FSU women are much more diffilcut to read?   I guess you don't become a nation of chess champions for nothing

Oh well, its been 5 months since 29th April when liuba went missing and I am determined to move on.  I know I can find someone eqully or even more special than Liuba and that will be the ultimate revenge.  Any thoughts JC or anyone else??  Input welcome!  Obviously there is much more to the story and I have since deleted all texts, e-mails etc  So I cannot show you these unfortunately, but to this day I still don’t really have any closure/real answers other than the strong suspision she met another man and didn’t have the heart to tell me.  For me this is horrible, I’d rather have closure.the truth.  Not just that she met another man, but the reasons why she obviously felt I was not good enough would have at least offered me some constructive help for the future.   Actually, I forgot to mention that I even flew out to Samara about 5-6 weeks ago in a desperate bid to salvage something or find out the truth and this time I stayed on my own in a sepaerte place.  This I expected as Liuba probably now shares her flat with the 'new man'   and she didn't want me to know about this. But when we met up everytime I would ask her for the truth or go back to the past she would say things like "Darren, that is in the past I live in the future" and if I got a little frustrated and angry at her not being truthful she would always say things like "Darren, my heart is hurting, stop it, you making me nervous".  Sound familiar John!  I am sure I read that Maria used similar tactics to make you feel guilty except for in her case she was threatening to kill herself.  Do FSU women really resort to these kind of guilt tactics to punish their men?

Ok, so now you are wondering why I still want to meet my future partner from the FSU and this is the real shocker.  Because quite simply, for all the hurt and bad experience of being with Liuba I have still gained more experience and got closer to what I have always been after with Liuba in those 6 months than I have ever managed in the previous 12-13 years here in the UK   So that goes to show how bad things have been at home.  And of course I am sensible and mature enough to know that not all women in the FSU can possibly be that bad and certainly no worse than what we would find in our home nations.  Well, at least I hope not anyway   But I figure I should give the FSU women the chance they deserve so I will, but at the same time keeping my options open at home.  Marks and Spencers here I come :crackthewhip:

P.S. I have tried to attach some photos of me and Liuba for all you eye analyst experts so maybe you can give me the real truth

[dazzler]

Sorry guys, I don't know how to insert images so maybe someone an let me know and I'll post a few jpegs photos of me and Liuba.

[Vaughn]

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I doubt that a sudden disappearance is attributable to FSU women only -
I've seen this same scenario throughout my life, and everywhere.
Some people tend to avoid face to face closure - for some, no doubt,
it's uncomfortable. Kind of like how some people you thought you knew
very well suddenly act strangely or out of character at a time of someone's
death....