Hi I'm new here and any information or help is welcome!

[Turboguy]

Lily is every man's dream. So you are right Jazzy- Lily is much more beautiful. But- to use Lily's picture with Mr. Sluggo would be insulting.

I will take your words as those of an expert.  The longer you post the more expert you become on insulting.  Chris does not deserve than handle and you show far less class in hanging it on him than he does in his photo.   You can dress someone up but what is inside is what is really important.  What is inside you William?

Clothes do make a big difference.  a few decades ago there was a popular book called dress for success.  They experimented with attire and peoples reaction.   One of their experiments was that if a man would wear a light colored raincoat people would open doors for you.  If you wore a black colored raincoat people would expect you to open doors for them and they would slam the doors in your face.  Take the gal in the photo, put her in a sweatsuit with no make up.  Take Chris and put him in a Italian designer suit and we would think that Chris "could do better" 

Frankly I think we are making a mountain out of a mole hill.  Chris is a good guy.  He does not deserve the abuse he is getting particularly as a newbie.   Yes, when he does photos for a profile he should lose the hat.  He looks just like millions of other AM his age.   

[William3rd]

I bow to YOUR expertise, turbopath. As well as to the sheer volume of your postings. . . . Kaopectate might help with that.

It wasn't intended as a major insult but if you choose to make a mountain out of a molehill, then go ahead. Good therapy for you. Keeps you from creating nonexistent people and prevaricating to people who trust in your posts.


Damn, I cant find the right smiley to give you. . . .

[viking]

Old proverb

A man is judged by his clothes when he enters a room, and by his words when he leaves.

[Kuna]

I bow to YOUR expertise, turbopath. As well as to the sheer volume of your postings. . . . Kaopectate might help with that.

It wasn't intended as a major insult but if you choose to make a mountain out of a molehill, then go ahead. Good therapy for you. Keeps you from creating nonexistent people and prevaricating to people who trust in your posts.


Damn, I cant find the right smiley to give you. . . .

 



Chris,

Based on Turbo's experience, advice and ultimate success I'd say "to hell with how you dress". Turbo knows you're a nice guy because he KNOWS many things.  Often though he might know something and not accept it or understand it... but that's not the point.

Turbo spent 10 years and many many trips before "he found what he was looking for", so he is vastly more experienced than any of us. He is "the man" when it comes to success in this field.

If you want to listen to Turbo or others of his ilk you are more than welcome.  You too can search for a decade and participate in deception and lies...  You too can meet a woman for a few days at the end of one of your "adventures" and then work desperately not to return to her hometown. (Why someone who loves FSU so much that he traveled there regularly for a decade wouldn't want to spend time at home with his fiance is beyond me).

You can be almost anything you want to be but one assumes you're not aiming to follow such a depressing path.  ???

You may not like some of the advice you get here but trust me (and I am saying this from experience)... if you can decipher the value in the "difficult" posts (those that make you feel uncomfortable) you can be successful.  If you like everything sugar coated you'll have to accept the dumb decisions you'll make and you'll find this journey infinitely more difficult than you could have ever imagined.

Turbo could write a great book one day... 

"How I Searched for 10 Years and Succeeded, and Failed, and Searched and Succeeded, and..."

Oops...  looks like there might be a sequel!

Kuna

[Turboguy]

Chris,  Good news.  Kuna says it is just fine to wear your ball cap and jeans to the FSU.   You can forget what everyone else has said.  Kuna has spoken.  Kuna, can you perhaps post a photo of your trip to Ukraine, the one with the ball cap and jeans where you look like a slug.   

Kuna, I like Russia and Ukraine just fine.   I have spend somewhere between a year and a year and a half there total and to be honest I am a little tried of going there right now.   I am sure you are a veteran of many a Siberian winter and would just love to go there and deal with the -50 temps in January instead of Egypt or Thailand.  If that is beyond you then it just shows your intelligence level is what I believe it to be.   

Our last two trips were to scope out possible places to live if the complications in our visa ap continued and we needed to find a different place to live.  Grenada and Sochi were the two front runners.   Neither of us cared for Sochi that much so had that happened Grenada was going to be our choice and we had a business picked out to start.   Fortunately the problems with the visa did end.  Truthfully I am about as tired of beaches as I am Siberian winters so I am glad we don't have to find other options. 

Kuna, you have not reached the point where you can hold yourself up as a pillar of success.  I am quite certain you never will.  Frankly Kuna, when this does blow up in your face I don't think you are man enough to come back and talk about it which I have done.   If my current situation blows up in my face and it won't, I will talk about it.   If for no other reason so that those who say it will not work know they are right and have more ammunition to help others.  If it does work, and it will, I will not hold myself up as an example for others to follow because I realize that what is right for us may be high risk for others. 

[Son of Clyde]

Jeez, do the insults never end?
Chris does not have holes in his jeans and his rugby shirt looks clean and casual.
Chris, take several outfits and when you go sightseeing be sure to wear a suit. A black suit is fine in steaming hot weather.
The alternative would be a pair of tan slacks (Dockers maybe) and a stylish golf shirt (preferably Calvin Klein) and a very expensive stetson hat. You will be the dude.

[Kuna]

Turbo,

I wasn't going to respond but as you're cheer squad turned up (SoC) I'll just say, "Da Da DA - Blah Blah Blah". 

Nothing you say adds any value to what I seek and the single thing I accepted from you in the beginning is the ONLY thing that turned into a disaster. It just so happens that little piece of "advice" you gave came from absolutely no experience at all.

I just hope future newbies see the frivolity of your advice.  RWD is lucky to have men here with ample common sense to share and valuable experience to add... let's just hope the future newbies can sort the wheat from the chaff.

Ultimately Chris and others will come here and seek advice that assist them in their search. When bad advice is given (even if for the sake of making someone feel good) it damages their chances of success.  When it comes to finding success, your ten year search is enough evidence of the success of your type of thinking and the value you can add.  You may very well say you'll return to tell of your failure if it happens, but I don't think anyone would want to see that... (the failure, or your return to make excuses about it again).

Still, your advice is exactly what newbies should avoid if they are serious about this pursuit.

As for your Rah Rah crew...  I just can't take him seriously.  I can't believe I didn't fail when I didn't take a stetson hat on my first trip.  

Kuna

[Son of Clyde]

Did Kuna mention my name I have him on ignore again.

[Turboguy]

I am sure Pavel looks at your visit to Kiev with even more negative feelings than you do.  I would guess he considers you the client from Hell. 

You are again showing the qualites that make me so sure your fiancee's happiness will be short lived.  I would be more than happy to be wrong about that.   Only time will tell.

[KenC]

Kuna,
Haven't you figured it out yet?  In Turboworld, the value of the advice has nothing to do with substance only delivery.  If you talk in circles or give advice that will lead the newbie on a ten year search, all the better, just make sure you do it in a nice way.
 
KenC

[Kuna]

 

I see it Ken yet I can't help refuting it when I know newbies will be lead down the garden path (but feel really nice along the way).

As for his insults/observations/predictions...  They're as credible as an old man who's obsessed with young skirt in FSU.

 

[Simoni]

On topic:

Dress is MUCH more important in the FSU than in the USA.

Move everything up a level or so, Chris.

Advice recommending wearing shorts and sandals in the FSU (unless you are on vacation at the Black Sea) will lose you many, if not most, girls.   

Girls there go all out to look attractive. They expect the same of their man.

And it DOES not fade fast when the they arrive at our shores.

Just yesterday, Marina, who has been here 14 months, commented on how terrible a man we met looked because he was wearing wrinkled pants!

[Turboguy]

Personally I think one of the purposes of RWD is to help people learn how to be successful and to avoid mistakes.  Are we going to help Chris?   No, of course not.  Do you see him here learning and asking questions.  No!  He is long gone.  Some of our know it all blowhards preferred to use to opportunity to show their lack of character.

There is no excuse for such low and despicable behavior as saying he looks like a slug and a dullard and calling him Mr Sluggo.   Much more good would have been accomplished by saying "Chris, RW are very fussy about clothes and you should upgrade your wardrobe".   It strikes me that some here were the school bully in their childhood and never outgrew the need to make themselves feel good by making others seem like losers.  

Kuna, sending them down a garden path is one thing but nasty insults that send him off on his own if far worse.  You can't help someone if they are not here.

Simoni,   Nice wording.   That is the tone everyone should have taken and we could have helped Chris.

[Jazzyclassy]

To say honestly

I hate when someone is bulling somebody or insulting or commenting in  unappropriate way

here I agree with Turbo that none had any right to call  him Mr. Sluggo or anything like that, better people could say that his clothing needs to be renewed and he could wear something more suitable to his bodybuilding or something

The second point is -his body type and so on

I am extremely sorry to dissappoint you guys but  take a look at yourself first  of all in the mirror and see whom you 'll see there - hot sexy handsome playboys???? - I DOUBT!

That is my absolutely true and sincere opinion about the guys here who are mostly random looking but by trying to  bash the other people want to look better on their background , no way

Your envy towards his youth is pathetic , it's a shame that someone even could open one's mouth to call Chris names for nothing

[jb]

JC,

You are wrong if you think I'm envious of anybody.

I think back to when I was 28, I was still in the military and had a body of steel in those days, my 1st wife was a Miss America Pageant winner in her State.  I've never settled for anything but what I wanted in life.  I've never had to date or marry an ugly woman.   And,,, everyone tells me I don't look a day over 50...

Nope, when I see a young man of 28 in here, looking for love in the FSU, I have to wonder what's the reason he's sitting home with a computer on a Saturday night and not out on a date.  The answer is usually that he's a slug.  Let's face it, you just can't polish a turd.   As for how I write or talk to people, advanced age is a great liberator, I now no longer have to walk on egg shells for fear of offending anyone.  Screw 'em if they can't handle what is very possibly the truth.

[Kuna]

jb,

I was uncomfortable at the way you posted when I first joined but if someone stops and listens to what is being said they will find the truth in it.

Some say you should be nice and gentle and encouraging to everyone otherwise they will be scared away.  I wonder if those that are scared away would be able to survive the scrutiny, criticism, innuendo, jibes and insults they will receive if they ultimately choose this path.

Sure... the optimists might be right.  Maybe our community can pretend everything will be smooth sailing.... We can offer support rather than advice , and we might always look on the bright side (foolish optimism that makes people feel good until they crash and burn), but that isn't reality.

I'd like to see as many men succeed at this as is possible and to be honest the only way to promote that is to get real and be honest - not wrap them in cotton wool and tell them it's all smooth sailing.  Those that run a mile are probably best to keep running. This is not a pursuit for the faint hearted!

Kuna

btw... I've read some other forums that are like a love-in and there was NOTHING of value that I found.  I don't want people to encourage me... I want people to educate me!  I hope Chris is reading and comes back...  but if he doesn't you may have saved him a fortune in $'s and emotional distress.

[Turboguy]

jb.  BFD,  So you are saying anyone who is not capable of dating a former winner in her states Miss America pageant should be driven from RWD and should not be persuing RW.  Maybe we should just set up Nazi style gas chambers and gas everyone in the world who looks like a slug to you.  

So you have never HAD to date or marry an ugly woman.  Are you saying a woman's only value is her beauty.   That beauty is the be all and end all of a woman.   I have dated some very beautiful women including our state's winner in the Miss America pageant and at around the same time some that I am quite sure you would consider ugly because to me women are people and they have inner values.  Women are more than a pretty face and a sculptured body.   I have seen your photo jb.  You do look at least a day over 50.  

I have always noticed that sometimes I would see someone who would not be most peoples idea of a "good catch" and usually they have found someone perfect for them, actually an ideal match for them.  There is someone out there for everyone.   Chris does not look like a slug to me.  He looks like a perfectly normal nice looking 28 year old.  Maybe not a Brad Pitt clone but he is not in the class of being so despicable that no woman would ever want him.  I think there are tons of RW who would love to find a good young man like him.   Maybe they won't be the first ones who pop up on a big singles site but I am sure they would find him a great person to be married to.  

Frankly jb you may have been a well cut stud with 6 pack ab's at that age but if there is anything to inner beauty and inner values you come up as lacking as anyone I have ever seen.  Your cruelty and insensitivity show a total lack of any good inner values.

Frankly I don't see you as judge, jury and executioner on who should be given the privilege and right to persue a RW.   Could Chis succeed in the search for a RW?    To me the clothes are nothing.   Some helpful advice and a trip to the store can fix that.   I would worry about his resolve and if he has the drive to succeed in it but we will never know since your shallow and tasteless remarks have thrown him to the wolves without a support group like we have on RWD that could have helped him.    I agree that leading someone down the path with rose colored glasses can be a bad thing but insulting and belittling someone because he wears a ball cap and driving him away from those who could help without ever getting to know him is far from a good thing.  

Kuna, jb offers some great advice.  He does have some wisdom.   I don't think it is good to offer false hopes to anyone and to encourage them when failure is a certainty.   I think we will never get to know Chris well enough to be able to say what his chances are.   I agree that advice can be far better than support.  I just don't think it serves any constructive purpose to deliver that advice with cruelty and insensitivity and to pepper the comments with personally degrading insults.  If you had made your first posts here and were told you looked like a slug and a dullard and called Mr Sluggo, I have a feeling you would have high tailed it out as fast as you could.   No one needs that and no one deserves it. 

[jb]

T/G,

I usually don't bother to answer your tripe, and tripe it is.  However, I suggest you go back and read the OP.  Anytime I read a paragraph with so many word usage errors it does make me judge.  The fact that you cannot judge perhaps means you are not a cut above either.  Actually, I'd already made that judgement.   Your lack of honesty in your dealings with newbie posts reveals great gaps in you.  The constant cheering on of idiotic plans has probably been responsible for more crash and burns than any other single source.  But then, IIRC, you've crashed and burned more than a few times yourself, so it's obvious you just don't know any better.

People may dislike me, but at least they know that I'll always be honest with them, which is more than they can say about you.

[William3rd]

JB was precise and succinct in his analysis above. I will just adopt his post as my own.

Hey guys, who cares about who ignores who? Some will take it as a badge of honor to be ignored by certain members. . . .

My ignore list is lengthy but then I peek at a couple of the more dangerous posters from time to time.

[Turboguy]

So now we should not only send everyone who jb thinks looks like a slug to the Nazi style gas chamber but also everyone who can not write with eloquence.    So jb is saying if someone can't write perfect English with no mistakes he does not deserve a wife and no one should ever love them.  OK,

William,  I don't ignore anyone.  I would not want to miss the fun.

[jb]

T/G,

What's up with the Nazi style gas chamber bit?  Who's overreacting now?  It's pretty much common knowledge among those of us who know anything about the FSU, and the women of the FSU, that RWs are not for everybody.   Chris should thank me, I've saved him a lot of money, heartache, and grief. 

I've also saved some hapless FSUW the horrible fate of being relegated to live in a backwards Florida panhandle town with a man who can't speak proper English.  All in all, I'd say I did everyone a good deed.

[William3rd]

Nazis? . How did we get from poor choice of clothing to the gas chambers. . . .

Is that what he's talking about now?

Oh well, another decent thread soon to be sent to the ash pile. . . .

[jb]

Did anyone bother to read the title of this thread?

Hi I'm new here and any imormation or help is welcome!

I rest my case.

[Gator]

Why is everyone picking on JB?  Chris did not find JB's "slug" comment as hurtful as my comment that most RW would not want to live in the Florida Panhandle.  You should direct your wrath at me, not JB.

Those of us who have been to the FSU know that many of the women can be rather sophisticated.  I do not think that such women judge men strictly based on his fashion style, yet it does give one measure of a man and when combined with his language, education, occupation, appreciation of other cultures, sense of humor, etc.  the smart women know who they are dealing with.

OTOH within the FSU are some equivalents to a Walmart cashier dressed up in skimpy, tight fitting, boob-baring garb as an erotic attempt to be sexy.  One of those women could have been perfect for Chris.  However, he became easily offended and walked away before we could direct him to trashyRW.com.  

Between these two polar-opposite groups of RW are many women who are not English-proficient, more interested in the heart of the man than his visible parameters, and who seek only to have his babies and make a cozy home regardless of where he lives..  Chris felt insulted and withdrew before we knew what he was searching for and give him suggestions for finding such women.

Basically, it seems to me that Chris did not have the strength and attitude for RW.  Turbo has probably received more harsh criticism than anyone here.  Did it stop Turbo?  He deflected harsh comments, frequently making light of them.  And now Turbo has found his treasure.  However, I am not sure that Chris was thinking about a 10-year search.

[Misha]

Reading this thread, I have gathered that all new members will have to pass a stringent series of tests to prove their worthiness to post here and to strive for the holy grail of the RW. These include, but are not limited to:

• Having had a girlfriend or wife who was a former winner of her state's Miss America pageant. Those whose girlfriends were simply runners-up will be banished;
• Dress and physical requirements: you must post a photo that will prove that you could pose for GQ while fending off RW on your travels to Russia and the FSU. No sluggards will be allowed! No jeans or beer bellies! We shall be more stringent here than a hip and happening New York night club on a Saturday night when it comes to look and dress;
• Perfect command of the English language. Any member committing the heresy of a typo will be summarily shunned;
• Finally, location. In order to weed out the locations where hapless RW should not live, RWD will publish a list of those locations that are acceptable for membership and those locations that are not good enough for the tastes of RWD.

Should I notify all the Consulates of the FSU so they can modify their visa requirements?

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