Work for Fiorella and Kvinna

[Bruno]

Now, we go see that these women that several people here call "dragon's" can have some utility on these forum...

The story is very simple... a guy have contact me two week ago for say that i have a scammer on my site and he have wish that i list her in scam list... he have explain that these woman have already scammed some man... that i can find her listed at http://rwbl.com/view.php?id=39&photo=1 ...

Since i don't like scam list and i am very suspicious of nature, i have contact the lady for ask information about these visa scam... now that i have receive her reply, i know that the man who have list her on the previous link is the same that these who have contact me... that these man was wishing she visit her in new-york... etc... you can see all info in her reply bellow...

So, i don't think that she is a scammer... Can you contact her at   lava-like@mail.ru and ask her all information for help her to be removed from the black list of free.personals.ru....

For the other members of these forum, specialy the American, i have a little question over visa... is it possible to a RW for receive a US visa for visit someone... i have always listen that it was almost impossible because the condition are very strong...

Now, for these who have interest in a cute woman birth in 1982 ( she wish a man between 35 yo and 55 yo ), you can take a look at her profile : http://www.love-from-russia.be/woman/0000917.htm ... don't worry about expense for the contact information, my site is free...

Yes, JB, my site is again online and i can say again that some agency don't work for money... since the expense are 60 euro month and the last8 month, i have earn only 200 euro, i work with losing of money... so, you need to correct one of your post from some days ago...

Ok, copy of the letter from the lady :

Hello   Bruno,
Thank you for your letter and that you judge only when you know two sides of situation.
I must to tell that I didn't know about this black list because I didn't use computer.
As you know I live in Omsk and here there are many poor people who think that if their spouse
will be foreigners
their life will change.I think so too.
And that's why there are 4 dating agencyes in Omsk and , believe me, they are very known and
succesful because
in Omsk live more than 2 million people and more percentage consist of women how are alone.
And if I'll have any examples of happy marriege here more than 10 % of all marrieges I'll not
looking for foreigner
husband.  because I'm looking for seriose relationships and for
intelligent and educated girl it is really a problem to find a worthy boyfriend.
Because most guys now become drug addicted or alcohol addicted, and have simple
interests and they don't try to grow in to a real men. They are not interested
in serious relations and don't respect women.  Most men over 25 are married.
Of course not all guys possess only negative features, but they are in the minority now.
Unfortunatelly...
About link which was sent you.
And I send you his first letter too.
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From:       Ken <kenyoung_98@yahoo.com>
To:     lava-like@mail.ru
Send: 20  2004 ., 4:36:00
Theme:     Letter for Victoria Lava, profile ID: 148989
Attachment:    139517_2.jpg
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Hi, there. I am a highly educated professional with a doctoral degree and a successful career,
who is enjoying life with full passion and energy.
 I work and live on Long Island, New York of the US. I am impresed by you and would like to
speak to to you. If you are interested,
 please tell me more about you and please also send your photos. Thanks. Ken
--call me at 001-631-879-3751.

You can view profile of this user here:
http://rus.freepersonals.ru/view_anket.php?id=139517
English version:
http://freepersonals.ru/view_anket.php?id=139517


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I sent him 3 letters and I recieve 4.
After third letter he persist in my coming to USA by myself.I told that I must to  know you
better, for me 3-4 letters can't
make opinion about all reasonable to change all my life.I think that corresponding must be for 6
months  not less.
But Ken( this man )to have his own will.
Beside that how I can be scammer if I haven't take money?I read carefully about scammers and I
think that you must to agree with me
that if person didn't take money how he/she can be scammer?
2.About Travis.Well, he asked me to come to him.I know that to go to him will cost me much and I
asked him to wait that I'll have enough
to pay for tickets and for visa.By the way, you aren't good inform that we can't go to USA.
Now relationships between Russia and USA are different than 30 y. ago.Here there are many
americans( especially missionaryes)
I know people who visit USA and back, students who were in USA under the programm "Work and
study"
You must to visit this link : http://www.us-visas.info
here you can find all information how russian can visit USA.
And when I wrote to Travis that we have to wait because I haven't money to pay now for tickets
and others expenses he asked me how much I need for
all expenses .I write him all what I'll have to pay for.And I asked him about for what purpose
he asked me that: for help?
He said that he'll take all expenses to him.So, does he send me money? No.
How he can say me that I'm scammer?
Anyway, I'll continue my search and I'll find a one man who is my half who will send me by  God.
Bruno, you can call me and if you have any questions I'll gla to answer for them.
Now I take extra work and I work in building as a wash cleaner.
You can call +7(3812)24-43-27.
I'll be there and you must only to say that you want to speak with Victoria and we will speak.
God bless you,
Victoria.

[Elen]

Why would not you invite her here, Bruno?

[Donna_Pedro]

is it possible to a RW for receive a US visa for visit someone...

You mean  a tourist visa? Possible, but chances are 0,1%.  For someone from Omsk - 0, 0001%. Unless she was a big  business owner or a university professor - it would be a miracle.

 

[Bruno]

Why would not you invite her here, Bruno?

I have invit her to visit Lilla-villa and antidate... and i have inform her that i go post his story on these forum...

 

[Bruno]

[user=115]Donna_Pedro[/user] wrote:

is it possible to a RW for receive a US visa for visit someone...

You mean  a tourist visa? Possible, but chances are 0,1%.  For someone from Omsk - 0, 0001%. Unless she was a big  business owner or a university professor - it would be a miracle.

 

Yep, it was what i think, the chance are very low... some people have say me that you need show that you have something who motive you to return in russia, like a big house by example, and a good work...

By she referd to a russian site,  http://www.us-visas.info ... and she think that it is possible....

I have explain her previously that for Europa, it was not really difficult but that for USA, it is almost "mission impossible"... but it seem that she don't believe me...


 

[Elen]

I have invit her to visit Lilla-villa and antidate...

 Ah! :?Then she "is lost" for this forum already.

[Bruno]

I have invit her to visit Lilla-villa and antidate...

 Ah! :?Then she "is lost" for this forum already.[/quote]
Not specialy... Lilla-villa is more a magazine over dating and marriage... not so bad info...

And antidate is a place for protect women... maybe sometime a little extreme but not specialy more that here... and Kvinna is certainly more able to communicate with a RW for help her to be removed from these black list... same people i don't like can have some utility... not all is black or white... you have several shade of gray...

 

[Elen]

 

Lilla-villa is more a magazine over dating and marriage... not so bad info...

 he-he-he Did you read their forum?? Of course not as it's on Russian:P

[Bruno]

Lilla-villa is more a magazine over dating and marriage... not so bad info...

 he-he-he Did you read their forum?? Of course not as it's on Russian:P[/quote]
He-he-he... And you, did you read it ??? ... previously, it was a article writen by me on Lilla-villa... and i have some post on one topic in antidate... both writen in English and bad Russian... :P:P

Do you see Elen, don't make some conclusion without have all the information... Some guys here make these mistake with you... but you make it too... educative lesson for both

 

[Elen]

He-he-he... And you, did you read it ???

 Of course I did read and still read. I started with that site so now let enjoy with the result of that action:D

[Fiorella]

Lilla-villa is more a magazine over dating and marriage... not so bad info...

 he-he-he Did you read their forum?? Of course not as it's on Russian:P[/quote]What is wrong with the forum antidate? For now it is only 1 forum I know without fights.

[wxman]

Bruno,

Tell her that the cost to apply for visa is $100. Tell her that when she goes for interview at US embassy in Moscow, that it is an almost certainty that they will deny her request and keep the $100.  I don't think she wishes to throw her $100 away or the man's $100 away either. She should tell this to any American that writes her, and also tell them it is virtually impossible for a young single Russian woman to get a tourist visa to US. The American has no clue about the process, and unfortunately, she is the one that will need to open his eyes and give him the straight facts. 

[Elen]

Nothing wrong but girls from there somehow have no wish to post here:D

[Elen]

Tell her that the cost to apply for visa is $100. Tell her that when she goes for interview at US embassy in Moscow, that it is an almost certainty that they will deny her request and keep the $100.  I don't think she wishes to throw her $100 away or the man's $100 away either. She should tell this to any American that writes her, and also tell them it is virtually impossible for a young single Russian woman to get a tourist visa to US. The American has no clue about the process, and unfortunately, she is the one that will need to open his eyes and give him the straight facts. 

 

I suspect she would be posted at scam list after that:?

[Bruno]

I see nothing wrong... in some way, it is the woman side of RWD...

Fiorella, don't feel you attacked... we have not write something wrong of agressif on these topic... i only need your help for remove a woman from a black list... it seem that she don't trust a lot western people and i have think that you and Kvinna was more able to help her...

 

[wxman]

Tell her that the cost to apply for visa is $100. Tell her that when she goes for interview at US embassy in Moscow, that it is an almost certainty that they will deny her request and keep the $100.  I don't think she wishes to throw her $100 away or the man's $100 away either. She should tell this to any American that writes her, and also tell them it is virtually impossible for a young single Russian woman to get a tourist visa to US. The American has no clue about the process, and unfortunately, she is the one that will need to open his eyes and give him the straight facts. 

 

I suspect she would be posted at scam list after that:?
[/quote]
I do not understand how she could be placed on scam list. She is not accepting his money, and she is telling him that she can not get tourist visa, and that embassy will just take the $100 and deny visa. If a RW told me that, I would be quite impressed with both her knowledge of the process and her honesty. She would have saved me $100. Anyone who would think of her as a scammer for being honest at the very beginning is a fool.

 

[Fiorella]

I see nothing wrong... in some way, it is the woman side of RWD...

Fiorella, don't feel you attacked... we have not write something wrong of agressif on these topic... i only need your help for remove a woman from a black list... it seem that she don't trust a lot western people and i have think that you and Kvinna was more able to help her...

 

No, I don't feel attacked, I just curious.  Kvinna just wrote to that woman. If she wish that help.

[wxman]

I would like to see scam lists eliminated. 70% of those who complain, probably are upset because the woman did not fall in love or wish to marry them. The other 30% are just fools for sending money to people they do not know. A fool and his money are soon parted.

[Fiorella]

I do not understand how she could be placed on scam list. She is not accepting his money, and she is telling him that she can not get tourist visa, and that embassy will just take the $100 and deny visa. If a RW told me that, I would be quite impressed with both her knowledge of the process and her honesty. She would have saved me $100. Anyone who would think of her as a scammer for being honest at the very beginning is a fool.

Nobody knows reasons and way to think of men who use to blacklist women. I know a case when woman was posted in black list as a scammer by the reason (attention!) because she wrote she doesn't want to correspond with men who don't have plans to meet !

By the way - we closed that site.

[Bruno]

because she wrote she doesn't want to correspond with men who don't have plans to meet !

not so bad... they have already write something... sometime, you have a profil of woman in a database from scam-list... but when you push the buttom "list of complain"... it is empty ... the woman is simply listed without reason...

And you forget some agency who place in scamlist the woman of a concurrent...

Now, take a look at http://rwbl.com/view.php?id=114 ... and try to explain why these woman is listed like scammer... it seem that the word "money" mean scammer... so if a woman write that she have a lot of money, maybe some crazy guys go say that she is scammer because she speak over money....

Really, Fiorella, you make a good work to help the ladies but you have begin a never ending work.

No, about US visa, these lady have send me a link to a russian site... and it seem that she have understand that it is possible... since she have read it on a russian site, it will be difficult to admit that these site is wrong... one reson more for she use antidate... with so much member... i think more of 3000 ... it will be certainly someone for explain it to her... and she go certainly believe someone involved in the process.

 

[groovlstk]

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Hi, there. I am a highly educated professional with a doctoral degree and a successful career,
who is enjoying life with full passion and energy.
 I work and live on Long Island, New York of the US. I am impresed by you and would like to
speak to to you. If you are interested,
 please tell me more about you and please also send your photos. Thanks. Ken
--call me at 001-631-879-3751.

You can view profile of this user here:
[/i]http://rus.freepersonals.ru/view_anket.php?id=139517
English version:
http://freepersonals.ru/view_anket.php?id=139517

With a profile like his, this guy has probably attracted every scammer south of the Arctic Circle.

[Bruno]

Not sure, it is a usual profiel... with the usual field filled... but the real problem is that these man wish that the woman visit him, something almost impossible... too much man spring direct in the process without be informed... they know nothing about visa, K1, and other rule and procedure... and they don't wish know... it is not fun to read advice... on my site, from around 500 unique IP week, i have only 2 who consult the advice section... too much lazy...

But for list a woman on the scammer list, they know how to make !!! About this, you have a over information...

[NWKid]

 

http://rwbl.com/view.php?id=114

Hello my dearest friend! How are you? I am fine! Have you ever been to Russia? I like to chat via web cam and moreover i can earn a little bit money to chat via web cam:) If you want to chat with me by means of web cam just write me! I have several girlfriends as well:) I am looking forward to hearing from you!!! Sorry for my spelling:) Ira

Yes, I'm sure she's just a nice, wholesome girl looking for her other half in this great big, oh so very cruel world.

[Bruno]

 

http://rwbl.com/view.php?id=114

Hello my dearest friend! How are you? I am fine! Have you ever been to Russia? I like to chat via web cam and moreover i can earn a little bit money to chat via web cam:) If you want to chat with me by means of web cam just write me! I have several girlfriends as well:) I am looking forward to hearing from you!!! Sorry for my spelling:) Ira

Yes, I'm sure she's just a nice, wholesome girl looking for her other half in this great big, oh so very cruel world.

She don't ask money... and several time, RW don't speak very good english and maybe she have try to explain something other that you don't understand... maybe she explain that she have a student work who allow her to pay the expense due to chat with web cam... so simple text are not a prove of scam...