Completed, signed, and notarized I-134 Affidavit of Support...

[Mike43]

Is it mandatory to complete this form?

Did you do it?

Do you really think it will help you in getting the K1 Visa?

The problem is what if all goes well and are in love and all the good things but a year later you decide to divorce your wife?

[catzenmouse]

Is it mandatory to complete this form?

Did you do it?

Do you really think it will help you in getting the K1 Visa?

The problem is what if all goes well and are in love and all the good things but a year later you decide to divorce your wife?

Yes

Yes

It is required

Then you didn't really know her enough to marry her to begin with.

[William3rd]

I wouldnt be that worried about the I134. The Courts have already found that the I134 Affidavit of Support is a moral obligation and not a binding one. Besides, that just covers your fiancee to get her here by showing that she will not be in danger of going on public relief.

Just about everybody has done the I134 when brining over fiancees. BTW it is also used in several other visa categories as evidence of an ability to support an alien.


After marriage, you will be filing the I864 with her adjustment of status packet. That will have a 10 year obligation attached to it. And yes, all marriage cases must file the I864.

[catzenmouse]

Thanks William. I didn't know that it was not mandatory anymore. Doesn't it make sense to do it anyway? Seems to work better if you give them everything rather than try to just give enough and end up with a few RFE's delaying the process.

[William3rd]

Oh- its still mandatory to file it. Its just not enforceable against the filer.

The I864 is enforcable. They are getting a lot of play in various family courts these days.

[jb]

The I864 is enforceable. They are getting a lot of play in various family courts these days.

And I think, rightly so.  A man should not view his Russian/Ukrainian wife as disposable after a year or two of fun.  The I-864 should tell the petitioner that with this action, there are long term responsibilities. 

[Mike43]

what is i864 exactly?
 

[catzenmouse]

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis

All your questions about forms can be answered here.

[jb]

It's the "real" Affidavit of Support... The one you have to file with the AOS where they hold your feet really close to the fire.  It obligates a man for 10 years of financial support for the woman he sponsors for immigration.

Not to be taken lightly.

[jb]

 

Me thinks old Mike43 is now mulling over his options,,, as in:  "Oh, crap,,, there's more to this business than I thought~!".

[Mike43]

yep, you're right
maybe its best to forget
i wonder what percentage of girls on agency site know about this?

[jb]

i wonder what percentage of girls on agency site know about this?

I couldn't say for sure, however, it's a good bet that the agencies are fully aware of US law and will happily answer any questions a woman might have regarding her rights as a new immigrant.   I wouldn't count on being able to pull the wool over anyone's eyes regards financial support requirements.   The USCIS officer will go over all this stuff during the AOS interview anyway.

As we continue to harp, you really need to get to know the woman you decide to marry pretty well.  The OWW's are taking a hellofachance when they pull the trigger in a week's time.

Just my 2 cents.

[Mike43]

As we continue to harp, you really need to get to know the woman you decide to marry pretty well.  The OWW's are taking a hellofachance when they pull the trigger in a week's time.

Just my 2 cents.

thats not easy!!
not easy at all!

[groovlstk]

yep, you're right
maybe its best to forget
i wonder what percentage of girls on agency site know about this?

You're asking the wrong questions and going about this back-asswards. If you put in the time and effort to know 100% that your girlfriend really loves you before you do a K1, these questions are irrelevant. Of course a relationship can fall apart despite the best intentions of both people, but that's an acceptable risk -- marrying a stranger whose intentions you're unsure of is not.

[jb]

thats not easy!!
not easy at all!

If this was easy everybody would be doing it. 

In my case it involved spending several months learning to speak a bit of the Russian language, a couple of summers teaching a gaggle of Russian engineers in my USA classrooms, and then follow up by working a couple of winters in Siberia.  In this way I got to know a bit about Russia and Russians.   Our courtship consisted of 3-4 trips per year for about 2 1/2 years and daily phone calls and a ton of e-mails before we decided to pull the trigger.   

BTW, my wife thinks I'm very Russian in my attitudes.

[catzenmouse]

thats not easy!!
not easy at all!

Ding!  Was that the sound of a new clue being formed?   

If you spend any time reading here you will know that this is MUCH HARDER than finding a girl in your home town or the next town or the next state, etc.

But, if you take the time and do it right it is the best thing that could ever happen in your life. Just ask any of us who are married and we'll tell you.

Ken

[Mike43]

Forget it man!

I give up!

The US has too many stupid laws and forms and all that bs

i dont have time

[groovlstk]

Forget it man!

I give up!

The US has too many stupid laws and forms and all that bs

i dont have time

Probably the wisest decision you could possibly make, based on your expectations.

[Simoni]

Forget it man!

I give up!

The US has too many stupid laws and forms and all that bs

i dont have time

Good decision, Mike.  Because after all the paperwork is done, the hard stuff begins-- learning to live a shared life and being patient with her as she adapts to a new land and culture.

[ScottinCrimea]

Hey, if it makes it any easier, Mike, it is no longer required to have the affidavit of support notarized.

[BC]

Forget it man!

I give up!

The US has too many stupid laws and forms and all that bs

i dont have time

[bold emphasis added]

.. probably a wise choice then.

[Mike43]

Boys, you dont get it!

I will marry her and will keep and support her in Ukraine and visit her every 4 months

much easier than all this stupid bs in the states

you know one reason many of these girls turn bad is because of these laws, they destroy relationships

so stupid

[groovlstk]

Boys, you dont get it!

I will marry her and will keep and support her in Ukraine and visit her every 4 months

much easier than all this stupid bs in the states

you know one reason many of these girls turn bad is because of these laws, they destroy relationships

so stupid

Are you serious? How do the laws destroy relationships? Believe me, any difficulty you may have with filling out a few forms is nothing compared with the difficulty of keeping a woman happy when she's 5000 miles away from her family, friends, culture, and language. And that's if she actually loves you and isn't muling you...

Additionally, do you really think marrying an FSU woman and visiting her every four months is enough to keep her fulfilled emotionally and sexually???    You'll be known throughout her city as the cuckolded American who visits a few times a year and sends money while inspiring a new generation of scammers who dream of such an arrangment.

[Misha]

yep, you're right
maybe its best to forget
i wonder what percentage of girls on agency site know about this?

There are a number of forums online in Russian with women from the FSU discussing their experiences marrying a foreigners. They would be more than happy to share their expertise with any woman who asks. Any woman, therefore, with an internet connection can get all the advice she needs to figure it out even without the help of the agency.

[ScottinCrimea]

Is this guy serious?  According to his prior posts, he met this girl for the first time in June in Odessa and is planning to visit her again sometime this month.  About a month ago he was asking how he could get her to the US without marrying her. Finding that pretty much impossible he starts to do a very basic check of the K-1 process.  Learning that this actually takes some time and effort, now he is deciding to marry her in Ukraine, leave her there and visit every 4 months.  So basically he is willing to marry some young hottie he barely knows and provide her monthly support so he can get some every 4 months.  I think it would be a lot easier and cheaper for him to just pay for a one nighter here in the US when the urge arises.  It would be a lot cheaper and save him the trouble of traveling.  But if he's foolish enough to think this will work and there is a girl in Ukraine willing to go for it, why not?  She can sit at home and not have to work while having all the boyfriends she wants.