What should woman do?

[Fiorella]

What should do woman when someone post her as a scammer if she declined to send her naked photos or have sex with that person?

[Shadow]

Send a copy of the e-mail exchange to the site where she is listed. If the person making the unjustified reports is American, threatening a defamation claim might work.

[groovlstk]

What should do woman when someone post her as a scammer if she declined to send her naked photos or have sex with that person?

Why do I get the feeling that such an innocent question will lead to condemnation of Western men seeking RW, in general, regardless of how many posters here will condemn the behavior of the guy who accused her of being a scammer?

[Kvinna]

Why do I get the feeling that such an innocent question will lead to condemnation of Western men seeking RW, in general, regardless of how many posters here will condemn the behavior of the guy who accused her of being a scammer?

Fifty points from Gryffindor for being an insufferable know-it-all.

[Fiorella]

Send a copy of the e-mail exchange to the site where she is listed. If the person making the unjustified reports is American, threatening a defamation claim might work.

How do you think the website owner will react to her letter, it looks like many of them have open anti-russian agenda?

And why websites owners don't requiere any proofs from "reporters?

[catzenmouse]

Most of those web site owners are not concerned about the truth. They are looking to boost their traffic levels and their advertisement dollars. The more "Bad News" they have the more people will come to look at their sites.

There are a couple of better ones (and sorry, I cannot think of any names right now) that do require more than one person to submit a name and also require e-mails that show the actual request for money.

Ken

[Shadow]

If the website owner is truly interested in truthful reports, he will look at the evidence. If he is only interested in a big database, it will be ignored.
Website owners will take the report that is sent in by face value. Not many will double check, and in most cases it is impossible to do just that. It is something that is natural for the internet where anything written seems to become the truth until proven false.
I have been feeding a local site with non-existent quotes from existing persons. So far nobody has even questioned the quotes, no matter if they agree or disagree on the subject.

[Admin]

Fifty points from Gryffindor for being an insufferable know-it-all.

No, I don't think so. I think groov is merely reacting to the previous experience where many here at RWD will agree with you (and Antidate, in general), but there continues to be a flogging of WM simply because.

As I have stated in the past - if we can find common ground, we ought to capitalize on that. If we find we are in disagreement, we ought to resolve those disagreements to their salient points so that everyone fully understands what we are disagreeing about. Too often, the exchange devolves into allegation and counterpoint sans specificity or fact - and we never arrive at a productive outcome. I know groov would support the exchange aimed at a productive outcome and meeting of the minds.

- Dan

[Admin]

What should do woman when someone post her as a scammer if she declined to send her naked photos or have sex with that person?

Fiora,

What about re-thinking the entire basis of 'blacklists' altogether?

I have been VERY vocal recently about my opposition of blacklist sites. I have never supported them. I do not see how they can operate ethically and with integrity.

The situation you describe arises because some sites will accept a "scammer" report with little, or no, justification - correct?

THAT then, is the root cause of the problem. Not the other issues which are merely symptoms.

Attacking the root cause is the right approach. Anything else is merely a palliative, and will prove ineffective.

- Dan

[groovlstk]

Fifty points from Gryffindor for being an insufferable know-it-all.

Kvinna, if you're unable to endure me the simplest antidote is to go back from whence you came

I happen to agree, in principle, with much of what you and most of the AD women say. There are a distressing number of scumbag men in this pursuit, and RW should be on their guard. However, it seems like you and your acolytes come here periodically to complain about sex tourists, married men, the tarring and feathering of decent women on scammer sites, and the depiction of Russian women in the Western press.

Again and again, guys here roundly condemn such behavior. Hey, WE AGREE WITH YOU.

Yet you ignore this simple fact, probably because we're a nice, juicy target as opposed to the sex tourists and scumbag men who prefer to hide from you.

I suspect that you will admit, in private, that you agree with most of the men here, yet your readers don't expect you to actually play nice with Western men seeking RW--it would be totally out of character for you to be anything but cheeky and dismissive to us. Hey, it's good marketing, I work in the entertainment industry so I know how important it is for you to stay in character, but since I'm not part of your target audience it gets tiresome after awhile.

[Christian]

Will not scammer lists post the counter evidence much like the scammer evidence is?

Christian

[Shadow]

Will not scammer lists post the counter evidence much like the scammer evidence is?

Christian

No. They have no interest in telling a woman is honest. Best case scenario is that they remove the scam post.

[Mishenka]

Did this guy actually post her as a scammer or just threaten to post her as a scammer if she did'nt do as he asked?

Misha

 ???

[Christian]

I must confess that the evidence as presented by the starter of this topic is more credible than an attempt to get out of a bad situation produced by a mistake.  

American men (and men generally) think about sex first and love second.  In fact they think about it about every five minutes consciously or subconsciously.  Women, on the other hand, look for love first and then only sex.

Christian

[Admin]

Will not scammer lists post the counter evidence much like the scammer evidence is?

Christian

Most blacklist sites I am aware of earn revenue through advertisements. Some of them earn revenue through affiliate relationships which offer a share of the sales (just as RWD does), but they disguise them as a "Recommended" site, or some other 'funnel' which directs people primarily to those sites which generate revenues for the blacklist site - even when those affiliates engage in some of the very same behaviors which the blacklist site condemns elsewhere.

Most blacklist sites prey on the fear and anxiety that comes with guys not understanding the language and the culture and failing to pay heed to some simple principles for avoiding scams.

Most blacklist sites have a fairly easy process for ADDING someone to their list, but are notoriously difficult for removing a profile from the list.

To run a blacklist site, the owner must be prepared to make judgments about people based on very thin evidence and without actively seeking any counterpoint or response. He/she must be prepared to accept that some of the people reporting the 'scammer' are simply jilted suitors. There is no doubt there are some nutbags operating on the internet. Some have even visited RWD. Some are willing to claim a girl is a 'scammer' for almost no reason except that they didn't hit the sack with him. Some blacklist sites accept such reports and label someone a "scammer" merely because she did not choose to sleep with a horny guy.

At least one of the major blacklist sites blocks access to that site from the FSU, hence, a lady who is labeled a "scammer" on that site has little chance of discovering the libel, and almost no chance to correct it. Consider the language barrier as well.

All things considered, and as I have said before, I feel the blacklist sites do more harm than good. Others feel differently.

- Dan

[WmGO]

What should do woman when someone post her as a scammer if she declined to send her naked photos or have sex with that person?

Hire a plaintiff lawyer in the city of the man's residence and sue him!!!


 

[Fiorella]

Fiora,

What about re-thinking the entire basis of 'blacklists' altogether?

I have been VERY vocal recently about my opposition of blacklist sites. I have never supported them. I do not see how they can operate ethically and with integrity.

The situation you describe arises because some sites will accept a "scammer" report with little, or no, justification - correct?

THAT then, is the root cause of the problem. Not the other issues which are merely symptoms.

- Dan

Dan,
I am neither support black-lists but they ALREADY exist and we need to deal with that. And yes, very rarely they ask for any proof from reporters. And I am thinking if there do exist any even very little chance to change this situation for the better.

[Serebro]

I have had many stories like that one when men threatened to report me to a black list when I refused to send my bikini/naked photos to them and to show my webcamera in a couple of minutes after the first chat/in my first letter

[Fiorella]

I happen to agree, in principle, with much of what you and most of the AD women say. There are a distressing number of scumbag men in this pursuit, and RW should be on their guard. However, it seems like you and your acolytes come here periodically to complain about sex tourists, married men, the tarring and feathering of decent women on scammer sites, and the depiction of Russian women in the Western press.

Yet you ignore this simple fact, probably because we're a nice, juicy target as opposed to the sex tourists and scumbag men who prefer to hide from you.

You are not right - we are always open to the dialogue with western men, don't forget that girls on antidate forum are either married to the western men or are being in searches of a decent men for make a family. And of course you are our target audience because you want either to marry to russian women or are already married.

And it is YOUR future wives must go through all that -  lies, dirty attacks, porno-photos on the letters, and so on. How do you think would it make some influence on her at least on emotions?

Whom we should to adress?

[Admin]

Dan,
I am neither support black-lists but they ALREADY exist and we need to deal with that. And yes, very rarely they ask for any proof from reporters. And I am thinking if there do exist any even very little chance to change this situation for the better.

Fiora,

Yes, blacklist sites already exist, and yes, we need to find a way to effectively deal with them and the problems which can be created.

One way of dealing with it is to insure that the vagaries which occur are exposed in public forums such as RWD and Antidate. In this way, some amount of the public is made aware of the need to be cautious in accepting those blacklists as gospel.

I have had many stories like that one when men threatened to report me to a black list when I refused to send my bikini/naked photos to them and to show my webcamera in a couple of minutes after the first chat/in my first letter

What was your response? Did you cease communications? Did you report them to the operator of the site? Did you report them to a blacklist site? Did anyone ever actually try (or succeed) to blacklist you somewhere?

- Dan

[Fiorella]

No. They have no interest in telling a woman is honest. Best case scenario is that they remove the scam post.

Yes and I wonder why nobody of western men who are serching russian women for marriage don't get preocuped? And it look now the picture - antiscam sites call ALL russians (WHOLE nation!) scammers, and nobody say - eh, my woman is russian and she is not a scammer! Not all russian are scammers! And our girls get letters from men when they write: Oh, we have read (on the internet or on some newspaper) that you, russian, are all scammers.

Nobody cares about russian culture, russian opera or ballet - no! It doesn't sells.

[Fiorella]

Did this guy actually post her as a scammer or just threaten to post her as a scammer if she did'nt do as he asked?

Misha

 ???

Yes, both - they threat and they post.

[Fiorella]

I must confess that the evidence as presented by the starter of this topic is more credible than an attempt to get out of a bad situation produced by a mistake. 

American men (and men generally) think about sex first and love second.  In fact they think about it about every five minutes consciously or subconsciously.  Women, on the other hand, look for love first and then only sex.

Christian

Christian,
all men all over the world think about sex - it is natural, sex drives the world.

[Fiorella]

Most blacklist sites have a fairly easy process for ADDING someone to their list, but are notoriously difficult for removing a profile from the list.

There is no doubt there are some nutbags operating on the internet. Some have even visited RWD. Some are willing to claim a girl is a 'scammer' for almost no reason except that they didn't hit the sack with him. Some blacklist sites accept such reports and label someone a "scammer" merely because she did not choose to sleep with a horny guy.

At least one of the major blacklist sites blocks access to that site from the FSU, hence, a lady who is labeled a "scammer" on that site has little chance of discovering the libel, and almost no chance to correct it. Consider the language barrier as well.

All things considered, and as I have said before, I feel the blacklist sites do more harm than good. Others feel differently.

- Dan

Yes, exactly. And we already get complaints that girls have difficulties to have correspondence with men on the dating sites because men are scared that she may be scammer just because she is russian.

[Admin]

You are not right - we are always open to the dialogue with western men, don't forget that girls on antidate forum are either married to the western men or are being in searches of a decent men for make a family. And of course you are our target audience because you want either to marry to russian women or are already married.

And it is YOUR future wives must go through all that -  lies, dirty attacks, porno-photos on the letters, and so on. How do you think would it make some influence on her at least on emotions?

Whom we should to adress?

Hmmm ... I think maybe this addresses a basic question - "What is the mission/objective of Antidate?"

I know that I had presumed it was a response to the blacklist sites which popped-up and began listing profiles of RW - some of them inappropriately. I understood that it grew into a site to raise awareness of RW to the possible pitfalls of WM who were NOT sincere. Maybe you can describe the mission of Antidate more clearly or succinctly, and bring us up-to-date on what it is Antidate intends to accomplish?

I am not certain, but I *think* it may be more accurate to say that some of the ladies at AD are in relations with WM, but I also know of quite a few who are not.

As for the 'issues' that RW as future wives of WM need to endure - I honestly think it is no different than some of the garbage a RW (or an AW) endures with men from their home country. In the same way - while there is a lot of talk of scamming behavior by RW, there is plenty of discussion about gold-digging AW on sites where AM seek AW for partners.

I think it best to keep things in perspective.

- Dan