A year ago this would have surprised me.

[Shadow]

Thanks for the concern billy. The lady I was with this past spring was much more like how you describe with materialism. It took me a while to spot the selfishness in her.

Every day I look for the type of flags you speak of with my new lady. And to give you an Idea a normal week end for me is spent 12 hours both Saterday and Sunday speaking via skype video conference.  All other days are between 2 and 4 hours. I am also amazed at the difference between video phone vs text chatting or phone.

We are just at the beginning. A lot of face time and learning about each other to come before getting married.

Dale

Dale, as my fiancee says, you  will get what you look for. Do not analyze her talks and all she does looking for red flags. Look for what you have in common to build your life on. If it turns out she has things that are a deal breaker to you, it will show naturally, just like this anecdote seems innocent but lead to a storm of thoughts and discussion.
This is what I meant by not taking offense, and I see that you know how to put things in to value. I hope that she is the right person for you, or if not that the next one will be.

[Mir]

West who is ready to pay to Ukraine for using its territory for their political(partly military) purposes...

Actually it is Russia that does that (Sevastopol)

As regards the negatives of Ukrainians, the same applies to Russians. Maybe not in your openion, but then you or JC have never been a Western man who has dated women from Russia and Ukraine.
In both countries you find this type of women, with this type of dress, clinging and loving the one who pays.
Yes you can say that you are not one of them, and Jazzy can say that she is not one either, but to say that these characteristics affect the majority of Ukrainians while the majority of Russians are without such negatives is unsubstantiated IMHO.

In my personal openion the majority of women discused here are Russian, even the ones that live in Ukraine or Kazakhstan/Turkmenistan etc.
They are Russian because they speak Russian as their first language and like to call themselves Russian, examples Simonie's wife and the lady Timothy was arguing with, Scot's wife etc. Now would you force them to call themselves Ukrainian while they feel they are Russian?
The other problem is that it looks as the ethnic Russian ladies no mater where they live (Russia,Ukraine,Kazakhstan,Armenia) are much more inclined to look for a husband in the west.
So if call them on the basis of nationality alone it will be rather incorrect. I mean a Russian speaking girl from Kazakhstan cannot be called Kazakh as she is quite a world apart from the culture of Kazakh women.
That is why IMHO FSU women looks to be a better umbrella term c/w Russian women for the ladies that are discussed on this forum.

[Simoni]

Wow.  This strand will drive a lot of newbies to Ukraine, IMHO.

[Simoni]

In my personal openion the majority of women discused here are Russian, even the ones that live in Ukraine or Kazakhstan/Turkmenistan etc.
They are Russian because they speak Russian as their first language and like to call themselves Russian, examples Simonie's wife and the lady Timothy was arguing with, Scot's wife etc.

The culture is certainly Russian.  But while Marina speaks Russian as her first language and while she thinks it's a shame that the soviet block countries are moving away from the Russian language, she does consider herself as Ukrainian.

I think this is even more so as Russians criticizes her country more and more, and plays political hardball. 

Here is the US, if people say to her "you are from Russia," she always corrects them with "No, I am from Ukraine."

She dislikes the "I am better than you mentality" that  is common, and that is repeated here at RWD.  Even her relatives that moved to St Petersburg now consider themselves better!   That is not the attitude to take to win friends.  But it is the reality, and we saw it last summer in person in the arrogant russians that visited the black sea while we were there.

I'm not trying to be critical; it's just the way it is.  We have the same mentality here in the US, between the south and the northeast.

[ScottinCrimea]

Well, maybe sometimes it's hard to distinguish a RW and a UW but UzW are very different and their upbringing is very much like it's in the east.If you are going to give the same advice to the guy who is going to meet an UW and an UzW it may easily break their relationship.

So tell me, serebro, are you a RW or a UzW?  Maybe a good time to remind people here of where you live.

[Mir]

Simoni

It looks like your wife is patriotic to the infant state of Ukraine, however there are many men and woman who live in Ukraine and consider themselves to be Russian.

[AnastassiaAsh]

Blind gets more blind.

Shrewed one gets more of what she wants.

Stupid vs. Scammer Tradition

 

Sorry. 

[Photo Guy]

Simoni wrote:
I'm not trying to be critical; it's just the way it is.  We have the same mentality here in the US,
between the south and the northeast.

That's true, but generalizations like that are impractical, can't be applied
directly to most northeasterners and most southerners that you meet.
   In the US, I think the individuals who prejudge other individuals, based on
where they are from, are in the minority. In the northeast, there are successful
individuals from the south, who are accepted and treated as equals. I'm thinking
of my friend, Allison, from Alabama, who got a job managing the front desk
at the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan.

I have to agree that there is a bad attitude about southerners here in the US,
that is encouraged by Hollywood writers and producers who create movies
that portray southerners as dumb racist rednecks.

Stereotypes do exist about
city folk, village folk, various races of people, and various nationalities.

One can choose to prejudge individuals based on those stereotypes, or
ignore those stereotypes and make judgments based on speech and
more importantly- the actions of those individuals.

If I end up with a wife from a Ukrainian village or a large city in Poland,
I will expect her to hold the same view on this subject, or at least be
willing to learn to hold that view after lots of lecturing as I feed her
fresh strawberries and cream.

[Simoni]

We just had coffee with a girl from Moscow. She has been in the US nine years now; came when she was 23 on as a student visa and got married and stayed.

The subject of this thread came up.  She has many Ukrainian friends here and has dropped the prejudiced views she once had toward them.  That's what experience does.

BTW- I was in San Fran last spring.  A number of women asked me how I could stand living in the south.  They quoted the TV show
"My Name is Earl" and gave examples of how stupid southerners are.  They believed the show was reality for ALL Southerners.

hmm..  who is stupid?

[Hub]

Two comments:

First, I have dated many, many RW and many, many UW.  I find not a whit of difference between them.

Second, recently I was shopping with a FSU gal at an open air market in the FSU for her winter coat.  After the purchase, she told me the seller had told her to tell me that the coat cost X + Y and then the seller would refund Y to my gal.  My gal told me that her girl friends later told her this was common whenever a gal went shopping with a western man.  There is a real difference between FSU people (in general) and western people (in general) as to what is morally correct behavior.