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« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2007, 08:31:15 AM »
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Deccie,

I see that you are committed to a RW.  If so, you know that the latest fashion is not critical, yet cosmetics come before food for herself.  :D
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When u r with Russian girl allow triple time for her to get ready to  out.  Wait is worth it.

Good trip report texbear.

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« Reply #76 on: November 07, 2007, 08:43:33 AM »
deccie: I just believe you completely mix the words wants and needs.

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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2007, 08:56:57 AM »
deccie: I just believe you completely mix the words wants and needs.

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ahh.. but the question is who determines which is which? The RW or the Man?
If you look at my original post I stated there was an implicit "I determine which ones are legitimate" in terms of the statement.

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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #78 on: November 07, 2007, 11:10:11 AM »
deccie

You are reading too much into my statement, I willl clarify what I meant.

  I would work overtime or 2 jobs if needed to provide for my family, but this would be to make sure they lived in a nice house in a nice neighborhood, had clothing & food and the children could play sports, piano,  whatever.  If my lady wanted to go get a manicure twice a month that's fine, however if she wanted the latest fashions-that would be a no go (and I doubt I would be with that type of lady anyway).

  If I was the sole income earner, then it would be my responsibility to make the above happen.  I am a simple and reasonable guy but not a fool.  Depending on her education and field of employment she would mostly likely not be working the first year or two anyway, so she should use that time to improve her English and take some courses in a field that interests her.

  Marriage is something both partners have to work full time to make it work 
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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #79 on: November 07, 2007, 11:18:54 AM »
acrzybear, that is indeed a far better way to say it.


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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2007, 11:30:57 AM »
acrzybear,
Most good RW would fall for that kind of mentality, hook, line and sinker!
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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #81 on: November 07, 2007, 11:38:37 AM »
deccie

You are reading too much into my statement, I willl clarify what I meant.

  I would work overtime or 2 jobs if needed to provide for my family, but this would be to make sure they lived in a nice house in a nice neighborhood, had clothing & food and the children could play sports, piano,  whatever.  If my lady wanted to go get a manicure twice a month that's fine, however if she wanted the latest fashions-that would be a no go (and I doubt I would be with that type of lady anyway).

  If I was the sole income earner, then it would be my responsibility to make the above happen.  I am a simple and reasonable guy but not a fool.  Depending on her education and field of employment she would mostly likely not be working the first year or two anyway, so she should use that time to improve her English and take some courses in a field that interests her.

  Marriage is something both partners have to work full time to make it work 

To follow up on KenC's remarks, You Slavic babes ain't got the sense you were born with if you don't marry this guy!  Gee.

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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #82 on: November 07, 2007, 11:41:51 AM »
acrzybear,
Most good RW would fall for that kind of mentality, hook, line and sinker!
KenC

Yeah so I keep hearing ;D  Until then I'll just get my fustrations  out at work :cluebat:  :cheesygrin:
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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #83 on: November 08, 2007, 01:26:58 AM »
Reviewing the previous posts on this thread and taking all of the advice (some good, some better) into consideration, I think the best and most cost effective approach for me would to be write to a few ladies that attract my attention (no more then 5 or 6 at the most) in the areas I would like to see.

  During the correspondence we could get a feel for each other and then talk on the phone.  I would let them know that I have tried the WOVO method, but due to financial limitations and past failures I can not afford to travel to Russia everytime I think I "found" the one. However if  I do find "the one" then I will focus my attention on her and progress from there.

  The thing that has been saving me from crashing and burning is my attitude of visiting the country and experiencing as much of it as I could, if I met a lady and we "clicked" then I would switch my focus on courting her.  If I did not find a lady that I "clicked" with, then I still focused my attention on seeing and experiencing as much as I could.

  I'm still not real comfortable with the WFVF, but I might try this method if I find several ladies in the same general area.  As  long as I'm honest and straight forward with everyone, there should be no problem-only time will tell.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2007, 01:46:52 AM by acrzybear »
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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #84 on: November 08, 2007, 07:36:40 AM »
Reviewing the previous posts on this thread and taking all of the advice (some good, some better) into consideration, I think the best and most cost effective approach for me would to be write to a few ladies that attract my attention (no more then 5 or 6 at the most) in the areas I would like to see.

  During the correspondence we could get a feel for each other and then talk on the phone.  I would let them know that I have tried the WOVO method, but due to financial limitations and past failures I can not afford to travel to Russia everytime I think I "found" the one. However if  I do find "the one" then I will focus my attention on her and progress from there.

  The thing that has been saving me from crashing and burning is my attitude of visiting the country and experiencing as much of it as I could, if I met a lady and we "clicked" then I would switch my focus on courting her.  If I did not find a lady that I "clicked" with, then I still focused my attention on seeing and experiencing as much as I could.

  I'm still not real comfortable with the WFVF, but I might try this method if I find several ladies in the same general area.  As  long as I'm honest and straight forward with everyone, there should be no problem-only time will tell.

Makes sense, Bear.  Except for the part about discussing with any girl that you are meeting other girls.  No RW wants to hear about others.  But if they bring it up, your answer makes sense.

I'd go with Gator's advice and not spend too much time writing letters in advance.  Two or three and a phone call should be enough.  After meeting, you'll know if you want to go further.  Good luck!

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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #85 on: November 08, 2007, 07:54:12 AM »
Acrzybear,
There is nothing wrong with what you did IMO except for not cutting bait and going to plan B.  I went to Russia with the same goals as you, to meet a woman and to see some of the country.  The difference is that I didn't put all my eggs into one basket and planned ahead to meet other women.  Oh, yeah and the difference was that the woman I met fell head over heels for me too and we have been married for 8 years. 8) (It can work for you too)
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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #86 on: November 08, 2007, 08:04:50 AM »
  but that's not what acrzybear posted is it? He posted "my family's needs come before my own". I just don't believe such a generalisation.  As far as I can see any man who denies his own needs is dooming his relationship just as much as a man that fails to provide the essentials.
I have always thought that when you are married this is the family that always comes first...and this concerns both partners...

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« Reply #87 on: November 08, 2007, 08:31:56 AM »
I have always thought that when you are married this is the family that always comes first...and this concerns both partners...

But my point is that this is not an absolute and reason must be applied by both parties..
Where conflict will appear is where one party forms a contrary opinion to the other.

As Hi Tech correctly pointed out it is a sorting of needs and wants. But both parties may not see something the same way.
For example, would you see it as equitable for a man to work two jobs to satisfy a woman's wants as well as her needs?


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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #88 on: November 08, 2007, 10:00:48 AM »
Bear, one thing I learned is honesty goes a long way. If you need to tell the women you're writing to that you will visit more than one woman, tell them you are not coming to the FSU for romance, you are in serious search for you life partner and you do not have the ability to know who's best for you through letters and phone calls. After some women have asked me if I was writing others, I told them that and asked them to please keep corresponding with me and maybe we'll find each other compatible. All but one did continued to correspond with me and most appreciated my frankness and honesty which they found lacking from other men writing them.

I think you're going in the right direction writing more than one to find the one but consider writing even more. Although you intend to write 5 or 6, your special lady may be your 8th or 9th choice to write to. Out of over 600 women I wrote to, my fiancee was not even in my top 200 becasue her profile was not the greatest.

Within a few letters you will know if some of the ladies aren't worth knowing or they'll quit writing to you. Like Gator's experience, I had the same that some women you'd want to write everyday or phone often because things would start to click or you and the woman find each other intriguing compared to all the others. I've even heard a poster here exchanging 10,000 sms's with his woman.

Again, make sure all woman know your trip over is not about romance but about visiting the ladies as friends. That way they can't confuse you with a sex tourist.
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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #89 on: November 08, 2007, 10:06:50 AM »
Deccie

That depends on the woman and the situation, I could think of a couple of scenarios.  She may want to be a stay at home mom, which would mean I would be the sole income earner.  What if she returned to school for a degree so she could enter the work force and become a contributing member of society and quite possibly have a higher annual income then I do?

Each person needs to contribute something to the relationship and it's not always money.  I feel that if both partners communicate with each other and try to make each other happy then they will probably do well.  

However if I'm bustin my behind while she is partying with the girlfriends and spending money as fast (or faster) then I (or we) are earning it-then we have a problem.  Almost all of the non violent domestic arguements (figure about 2-3 aday on the average) are a result of the partners not talking TO each other, but talking AT each other.   I know this is an area I will have to work at since I've been single (and not wanting to bring work home) for so long I tend to keep things inside and not talk about them.  

  But as I said you have to be willing to bend on certain things when you're in a relationship or things will never last.

 So there you have it, not quite the perfect candidate for marriage as I appeared to be at the begining of the thread :devilish:
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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #90 on: November 08, 2007, 10:17:03 AM »
Again, make sure all woman know your trip over is not about romance but about visiting the ladies as friends. That way they can't confuse you with a sex tourist.


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You've come the closest in understanding the purpose of my trips-it's not initially about finding a life partner (wife) but the experience of visiting a foreign country, if you happen to find a potential partner while you are there, then refocus your energies and make her your primary reason for the trip.  If you go just to visit her and things don't work out, then you'll be depressed and not enjoy what the country has to offer.

  I understand your method of WMVM, but it's not just me. I do however agree with the openness and honesty you displayed.  I know I may miss out on a great lady because I didn't utilize the WMVM method, but that just feels like I'm going to a warehouse and perusing the latest selection of goods and then I'll end up on antidate as a sex tourist.  :o
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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #91 on: November 08, 2007, 10:20:49 AM »
Deccie

That depends on the woman and the situation, I could think of a couple of scenarios. 

That is exactly my point.
Just as an FYI, I did WOVO too.

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« Reply #92 on: November 08, 2007, 12:07:01 PM »
I know I may miss out on a great lady because I didn't utilize the WMVM method, but that just feels like I'm going to a warehouse and perusing the latest selection of goods and then I'll end up on antidate as a sex tourist.  :o

Well, if you do not have sex with them, you can't be accused of being a sex tourist. Also, it is interesting to note that the hottest fad in dating in North America is speed dating: you meet dozens of people and if two people click they then exchange contact info and go on more dates. The principle is pretty simple: you have to meet a lot of people before you find the one for you. As has been noted before, until you meet someone, they are nothing but a pen-pal.

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« Reply #93 on: November 08, 2007, 01:07:17 PM »
Well, if you do not have sex with them, you can't be accused of being a sex tourist.

- - - -

Totally false.  Read the various trip reports here and you will find numerous situations where no sex was involved, yet the man was called a sex tourist.  There was even the simple case where man had condoms with him, and was thus labeled a sex tourist even though he had zero sex, as I recall.

Gabaub, you are thinking that posters here are rational and fair.  Fact is many will be quick to put a person (men mainly) in the worst possible light if given the slightest chance.

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« Reply #94 on: November 08, 2007, 01:08:58 PM »
Well, if you do not have sex with them, you can't be accused of being a sex tourist.

I made that comment tongue in cheek in regards to 2tallbill's situation awhile back.  I'm not really concerned if I ended up on antidate or not, they don't know me and I don't write obscene letters or send inappropriate photos or give them enough information to "hurt" me.
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Re: Tver trip/agency report
« Reply #95 on: November 08, 2007, 01:24:40 PM »
- - - -
 Read the various trip reports here and you will find numerous situations where no sex was involved, yet the man was called a sex tourist.  There was even the simple case where man had condoms with him, and was thus labeled a sex tourist even though he had zero sex, as I recall.

Wasn't that guy blacklisted at antidate as a man for RW to avoid? I guess RW prefer men who don't use protection?

Simoni!!! I just remembered, aren't you the guy who traded over 20,000 sms's with your woman? Yet in this thread you tell guys not to write many letters? Once you find a woman that matches well with you, you and her will love every letter or sms written to each other.

Ronald Reagon wrote hundreds of letters to his wife Nancy, even while married and sometimes while sitting in the same room in the White House. Nancy cherished his every written word and kept all the love letters Reagon wrote. She even wrote a book about it.
http://www.amazon.com/Love-You-Ronnie-Nancy-Reagan/dp/0375505547
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« Reply #96 on: November 08, 2007, 01:36:46 PM »
That is exactly my point.
Just as an FYI, I did WOVO too.

Me, too!  Three times  ;D

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« Reply #97 on: November 08, 2007, 01:39:43 PM »


Simoni!!! I just remembered, aren't you the guy who traded over 20,000 sms's with your woman? Yet in this thread you tell guys not to write many letters? Once you find a woman that matches well with you, you and her will love every letter or sms written to each other.

Exactly.  Those sms came AFTER I met her in person.

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« Reply #98 on: November 08, 2007, 01:43:07 PM »
Billy, I had one girl I wrote to for 4 months.  A letter a day.  Sometimes we exchanged two.

But when I met her in Zhitomir, she was not the same person I was writing to (she had written the letters but was SHY in person)  After three days with her, I cut my losses and went to an agency and just had fun dating multiple girls (-- no condoms)
err.... (no sex either!) LOL
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« Reply #99 on: November 08, 2007, 09:57:13 PM »
Billy, I had one girl I wrote to for 4 months.  A letter a day.  Sometimes we exchanged two.

But when I met her in Zhitomir, she was not the same person I was writing to (she had written the letters but was SHY in person)  After three days with her, I cut my losses and went to an agency and just had fun dating multiple girls (-- no condoms)
err.... (no sex either!) LOL
Is it bad to be shy in person?!
You were probably the first guy she had met that way and that was why she was shy. Besides I am sure when you write letters you can always see small or big red flags you feel a little confused about or uncomfortable with but you try to ignore them as you like the girl and you are interested in corresponding and meeting her in person
but if you are interested in communicative party girls I bet that WMVM is the best thing for you, don't you think so?! but make sure that the party girl doesn't have parties with someone else after your plane takes off... if it's ok with you I agree that you both have found each other. :D

 

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