The Intro

[djfourmonie]

 I am not sure how long this will be so you have been warned!

 My name is Anthony and unusual for these broads is that I am African-American. I have heard of all the xenophobic talk when it comes to FSU/Slavic women and that's simply NOT TRUE!

 I visited Europe this past Summer which included a trip to The Ukraine to visit a internet contact in Kiev. We were together for 3 days and it just wasn't what I was looking for. I am still in contact with this woman, we are friends. Luckily My Dawg from San Diego was in Kiev doing some computer work, we met up and checked out some of the local nightlife.

 I wasn't there long enough to have the impact on the ground I was looking for. But while I was there I had considered visiting one of the local agencies. Just before I made the decision to go, I found out it had been closed for some time but the web site was still up and running.

 Anyway I left Kiev and headed back to Germany where I spent my final 10 days before returning back to Los Angeles.

 My primary focus is on Western Europe, however I am running into largely the same problems I have in the States. Only women within 5 years of my age are interested in me. Many of them having 1-4 children already and not slight bit interested in having any more.

 I thought about Eastern European countries because I had "heard" that 10-15 age differences between spouses is common. That may have been the case 10-15 years ago, I believe that has narrowed down to about 8-12 years on average based on profiles I have seen on various web sites.

 My next step is spending considerable time in Europe (again) as I feel I can "pull" women younger than 30 from countries like Sweden, Norway, Iceland and Denmark. Yes I like Scandinavian women!

 I am trying to wrap my head around the idea of spending several thousands of dollars as some members have. I just can't see myself spending that kind of cheddar. I have researched and made smart choices. I don't find the women on agency web sites to be any more available or better looking than those on free or sites that charge a small nominal (under $20 per month).

 I do have a few contacts in Kiev so feel free to hit me up.

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

[ScottinCrimea]

Welcome djfourmonie,
     Has this been your only trip to Ukraine?  No offense, just stating what my experience has been, and that is that in my two years living in Ukraine I didn't meet a single woman who would even consider marrying an Afro-American.  It doesn't mean they aren't out there, and maybe in Kiev they are more open to this than in other areas of Ukraine but there's still relatively few that would consider it.  I wouldn't call it xenophobia, as I see no hatred toward African Americans, just a limited exposure to them and a preference for Caucasions in their mates.

I can understand if it is your preference to avoid women with children even if I don't agree with it.  That's very much a personal choice.  What I don't understand is your insistence on finding someone much younger than you, to the point of not even wanting to look at someone within five years of you.  You really need to rethink things if that is at the top of your search criteria.

[Nando]

 My next step is spending considerable time in Europe (again) as I feel I can "pull" women younger than 30 from countries like Sweden, Norway, Iceland and Denmark. Yes I like Scandinavian women!

 I do have a few contacts in Kiev so feel free to hit me up.

 

Well you are going to need good luck, because we have several members here who live in these countries and guess what...they searched on FSU

Also spending several thousands of dollars is dead easy just in air fare tickets.
Scandinavian countries are also expensive like hell but it is your choice

[Simoni]

... in my two years living in Ukraine I didn't meet a single woman who would even consider marrying an Afro-American.  It doesn't mean they aren't out there, and maybe in Kiev they are more open to this than in other areas of Ukraine but there's still relatively few that would consider it.  I wouldn't call it xenophobia, as I see no hatred toward African Americans, just a limited exposure to them and a preference for Caucasions in their mates.

My experiences are the same as Scotts. 

I think the pool of women in Ukraine open to an Afro-American is VERY small.  Better to focus your search in western europe.  For what it's worth.

[Serebro]

I had a groupmate who has an Afro-american husband now,he is 20 years older,  they have been married for more than 2 years now(no children though, I don't know the reason).
But I remember that she had always wanted to marry a foreign man and to move abroad, long before she went abroad, so when we went to the USA she met him, then she came back and graduated from the university and then she got a visa and went to him.
I don't know what the main reason of her marriage was...either she loved him or he was the only man she managed to have such close relationships with.
On the photos they looks quite happy.
the girl is Ukrainian though she lived in Russia.

[Mir]

There are plenty of women in Russia and Ukraine in their late twenties with one child who would accept a man with 10+ age gap. Most of them are keen to have more children. The only thing is that although they would be smart, slim and pleasent to look at the majority will not be stunning in appearance.

[djfourmonie]

 There is a saying "If you were only in my shoes"

 Simon, Nando, Scott -

 I kinda knew some Caucasian men would try and compare their experience with mine. Now I bet you would understand if you have African-American men as some of your friends you actually socialized with on a regular basis. Based on some replies I would say that is LIMITED at best.

 If you socialize with women that would NEVER consider dating anybody but Anglo men, then you DON'T HAVE A CLUE.

 You could say my dating pool is much LARGER in the US and Canada and that would be accurate. However that dating pool is much older than I would like. I base this mostly on the fact that many women in this age bracket have children already. They don't want to have anymore mostly out of FEAR of it not working out (again) that they are stuck raising another child, alone.

 Believe me after 1, 2 and 3 children I think women get cautious about having kids especially when their as many fathers as their are children...

 Single mothers are pushed down father on that list because of previous experience. My attitude MIGHT change if said Single Mom was a 8 or 9 on the old scale, instead of the usual for me 5-6 range.

 Without getting too personal, I have certain things working against me in America than narrows down my dating pool much further than my preference for Caucasian women. Believe me I am not left with the "cream of the crop".

 It was my first trip ANYWHERE out of the country, not just FSU or Eastern Europe.

 Western Europe makes much more sense even just for the Visa issues that would present themselves for just about anybody but for MAYBE a girl from the Czech Republic. I do better in Western Europe automatically because I am not AFRICAN, that seems to be a PROBLEM over there.

 I'm just keeping my options OPEN.

 Back to Kiev; I made eye contact several times, but with the lack of English being spoken that was the MAIN problem. I also wasn't there on the weekend which is considered by many of my contacts the BEST time to venture out and enjoy Kiev's nightlife. I was going to the club 112 in the city center and a very attractive girl smiled DIRECTLY at me. But she played the shy roll, I had to meet somebody, oh well there others...

 I was there on a Tues, Wed and Thur morning, not long at all. I recently looked at the travel site I buy tickets from and its currently under $500 taxes included to fly directly from LAX to Kiev and if I didn't have to be in court next week, among other issues, I would go back!

 Nando -

 Based on personal experience, the fact that I am DIFFERENT period helps out quite a bit and I could post a quote from another forum from a Danish woman, but I'll spare you. While they don't complain of being beaten, rapped, exposed to male drunkenness, etc which typically posted complaints FSU women seem to have. It has more do with interaction, sexual attraction and just the fact we are from different cultures and our culture agrees with MANY women across the world.

 There's more to black folk than BBQ's, Loud Rap Music, 24" wheels and BET....

 Also it helps to have friends anywhere you go. I was invited to go home with a woman from Amsterdam, she is leaving Nov 12th, I can't join her, oh well. I'll catch her on the flip.

 One of my best friends lives in Bergen, Norway and another friend who goes to Univ of Florida has a flat he shares with another dude that I can rent for CHEAP in the off-season in downtown Stockholm.

 Spending several thousands of dollars is for suckas. I can stand screaming babies on coach and going in the cold off-season if that means cheaper fares. Did I mention the flat I had in Kiev was $35US a night and I had ummm free WiFi courtesy of the next door neighbor - 

  Serebro -

 What an unusual screen name for a woman... Anyway yes unbeknown to some posters here, some Slavic women DO like black men. The woman I met expressed harboring attraction to dark skin as a child (she's 34). When Eastern European people are exposed more to Black Americans, you'll see its were not as bad as "some" people make us out to be...

 Mir -

 I am sure FSU is full of MILF's but I still rather be a first time parent and that's the first course of action. Of course I would accept a woman with one or even two children already.

 Some of them are stunning actually -






 






 

[Mir]

I am sure FSU is full of MILF's but I still rather be a first time parent and that's the first course of action. Of course I would accept a woman with one or even two children already.

 Some of them are stunning actually -

Course some are.
Tell you one thing, I am about your age (and certainly don't look younger LOL) but I have experience of dating Eastern European girls for more then 5 years. I have travelled in Hungry, Poland, Czech, Romania Ukraine and Russia.
Be prepared for quite a few surprises when you start this quest

[acrzybear]

I am not sure how long this will be so you have been warned!

 My name is Anthony and unusual for these broads is that I am African-American. I have heard of all the xenophobic talk when it comes to FSU/Slavic women and that's simply NOT TRUE! That type of reference will go far with a Russian lady

 I visited Europe this past Summer which included a trip to The Ukraine to visit a internet contact in Kiev. We were together for 3 days and it just wasn't what I was looking for. I am still in contact with this woman, we are friends. Luckily My Dawg from San Diego was in Kiev doing some computer work, we met up and checked out some of the local nightlife.

 I wasn't there long enough to have the impact on the ground I was looking for. But while I was there I had considered visiting one of the local agencies. Just before I made the decision to go, I found out it had been closed for some time but the web site was still up and running.

 Anyway I left Kiev and headed back to Germany where I spent my final 10 days before returning back to Los Angeles.

 My primary focus is on Western Europe, however I am running into largely the same problems I have in the States. Only women within 5 years of my age are interested in me. Many of them having 1-4 children already and not slight bit interested in having any more. This statement makes me wonder where you are looking, I grew up in California and there are number of ladies of different cultures with no children

 I thought about Eastern European countries because I had "heard" that 10-15 age differences between spouses is common.So the agency hype would want you to believe
 That may have been the case 10-15 years ago, I believe that has narrowed down to about 8-12 years on average based on profiles I have seen on various web sites.
 My next step is spending considerable time in Europe (again) as I feel I can "pull" women younger than 30 from countries like Sweden, Norway, Iceland and Denmark. Yes I like Scandinavian women! Pull?  What ever happened to meet?

 I am trying to wrap my head around the idea of spending several thousands of dollars as some members have. I just can't see myself spending that kind of cheddar. I have researched and made smart choices. I don't find the women on agency web sites to be any more available or better looking than those on free or sites that charge a small nominal (under $20 per month).you get what you pay for, if you are looking at penny pinching in this endeavor-you are in the wrong playground

 I do have a few contacts in Kiev so feel free to hit me up. There is a saying "If you were only in my shoes"

 Simon, Nando, Scott -

 I kinda knew some Caucasian men would try and compare their experience with mine. Now I bet you would understand if you have African-American men as some of your friends you actually socialized with on a regular basis. Based on some replies I would say that is LIMITED at best. So I guess it's a racial thing now-interesting, I haven't seen anything remotely racial-but then again I'm not "in your shoes"

 If you socialize with women that would NEVER consider dating anybody but Anglo men, then you DON'T HAVE A CLUE. I do not recall seeing any statement to this effect, statements were made that FSU women have had limited exposure to blacks and at this point in time the majority preferred to date lighter colored guys.  There was a Russian lady on this board that made her preference for black men well known

 You could say my dating pool is much LARGER in the US and Canada and that would be accurate. However that dating pool is much older than I would like. I base this mostly on the fact that many women in this age bracket have children already. They don't want to have anymore mostly out of FEAR of it not working out (again) that they are stuck raising another child, alone.

 Believe me after 1, 2 and 3 children I think women get cautious about having kids especially when their as many fathers as their are children...Again this makes me wonder where you are looking, I might know but will keep my opinions to myself

 Single mothers are pushed down father on that list because of previous experience. My attitude MIGHT change if said Single Mom was a 8 or 9 on the old scale, instead of the usual for me 5-6 range.So if she's "hot" you'll overlook the fact that she has a child-That says alot about your charactor

 Without getting too personal, I have certain things working against me in America than narrows down my dating pool much further than my preference for Caucasian women. Believe me I am not left with the "cream of the crop". But you look younger then you actually are and have a secure job-hmmmmm must be hanging out in the wrong areas

 It was my first trip ANYWHERE out of the country, not just FSU or Eastern Europe.

 Western Europe makes much more sense even just for the Visa issues that would present themselves for just about anybody but for MAYBE a girl from the Czech Republic. I do better in Western Europe automatically because I am not AFRICAN, that seems to be a PROBLEM over there. Then what are you?  You stated up thread that you are AFRICAN AMERICAN and why would it be a PROBLEM? I'm sure attitude has nothing to do with it

 I'm just keeping my options OPEN.

 Back to Kiev; I made eye contact several times, but with the lack of English being spoken that was the MAIN problem. I also wasn't there on the weekend which is considered by many of my contacts the BEST time to venture out and enjoy Kiev's nightlife. I was going to the club 112 in the city center and a very attractive girl smiled DIRECTLY at me. But she played the shy roll, I had to meet somebody, oh well there others... not if you don't introduce yourself, she might have spoken excellent English-you never know until you say hi

 I was there on a Tues, Wed and Thur morning, not long at all. I recently looked at the travel site I buy tickets from and its currently under $500 taxes included to fly directly from LAX to Kiev and if I didn't have to be in court next week, among other issues, I would go back! Court? Other issues? it sounds to me like you are no where near ready to find and romance a lady overseas, perhaps you should get your house in order before you go looking for that "fantasy girl"

 Nando -

 Based on personal experience, the fact that I am DIFFERENT period helps out quite a bit and I could post a quote from another forum from a Danish woman, but I'll spare you. While they don't complain of being beaten, rapped,with cellophane? or prolonged exposore to various artists such as Snoop dog, DMX and Tupac? exposed to male drunkenness, etc which typically posted complaints FSU women seem to have. It has more do with interaction, sexual attraction and just the fact we are from different cultures and our culture agrees with MANY women across the world. Or you referring to the American culture?  or something else?

 There's more to black folk than BBQ's, Loud Rap Music, 24" wheels and BET....  Thank you sir for that insight, you mean there are some black folks that actually contributed to society?  I guess these folks had no impact on American history; Thurgood Marshall (1908-1993); Frederick Douglass (1817-1895); Booker T. Washington (1858-1915); Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

 Also it helps to have friends anywhere you go.This is the best statement you have made yet I was invited to go home with a woman from Amsterdam, she is leaving Nov 12th, I can't join her, oh well. I'll catch her on the flip.

 One of my best friends lives in Bergen, Norway and another friend who goes to Univ of Florida has a flat he shares with another dude that I can rent for CHEAP in the off-season in downtown Stockholm.

 Spending several thousands of dollars is for suckas. I can stand screaming babies on coach and going in the cold off-season if that means cheaper fares. Did I mention the flat I had in Kiev was $35US a night and I had ummm free WiFi courtesy of the next door neighbor -  You are definitely barking up the wrong tree "dawg" To marry a lady from another country is a long,  expensive, time consuming and emotional process

  Serebro -

 What an unusual screen name for a woman... Anyway yes unbeknown to some posters here, some Slavic women DO like black men. The woman I met expressed harboring attraction to dark skin as a child (she's 34). When Eastern European people are exposed more to Black Americans, you'll see its were not as bad as "some" people make us out to be... Some" people?  I haven't seen anyone make you out to be anything but a newbie

 Mir -

 I am sure FSU is full of MILF's but I still rather be a first time parent and that's the first course of action. Of course I would accept a woman with one or even two children already.but only if she were an 8 or a 9 on the old scale

 Some of them are stunning actually - /quote]

Dj

Do you really know what you're are looking for?  Your statement contradicts itself numerous times.  I'm not in your shoes and do not have a clue as to what all is going on in your life, but based on your posts you seem to be lacking in maturity, the resources and the willingness to spend the money (Excuse me "chedder") needed to pursue this endeavor.  

  I would suggest taking some time and digging deep within yourself to discover what is really important and what you want.  

Are there women in the FSU that would date and perhaps marry a black man? Yes, but at this point in time the odds will be greatly against your favor.  There have been several black men that have come onto this board and were given straight answers, if I recall correctly there is a mixed couple that have been happily married for several years, so it is possible.

[Simoni]

 Simon, Nando, Scott -

 I kinda knew some Caucasian men would try and compare their experience with mine. Now I bet you would understand if you have African-American men as some of your friends you actually socialized with on a regular basis. Based on some replies I would say that is LIMITED at best.

Not limited at all.  I attended public school in the south.  About 1/3 of my classmates were African-American.  In sports, we were like brothers.  Winning championships together does that.

Professionally and socially, I also have great African-American friends.  In fact, tonight we have such friends over for dinner and music.  Both are African-American, and so is their 7 year old son and 4 year old daughter.

Don't know why you made the quote above?  My advice to you was from experience, not lack of experience. My experience in the fsu is the same as Scott's was.  FSU girls are unfamiliar with blacks and based upon their portrayal in hollywood movies, they have a negative opinion.

Once they arrive in the US, they live and learn and are fine. Note my comment about who is coming to dinner tonight.  Race is zero factor for her now.

[djfourmonie]

 Ooo I love banter....

 What in the world are you pointing out in my thread? I am talking to a current or ex 5-Oh so I am not totally sure to start with.

 A) Why would I talk about so-called xenophobic behavior??? When this urban legend was conjured up Anglos?

 B) Where I am looking? Let's see, Los Angeles, San Jose, Sacramento, Oakland, San Diego, Orange County, Riverside County, San Bernardino County. You can also add in Las Vegas, Oregon, Washington and Arizona.

 Without telling my life story, I have been a DJ since I was 16. I have dj'ed all over Hollywood. Unlike most DJ's I take my craft seriously and didn't look to get laid off it, though it has happen before.

 I have forced myself into a narrow window on purpose.

 IMHO the Latinas that tend to like me, I don't like them. Most of them are OVERWEIGHT. I see better looking Black women on TV than I do in real life and since you don't know where I have been, you can't say I haven't seen most of them because in reality I HAVE. Let's just say when it comes to Black women I get EXTREMELY PICKY and there not enough of them to be like that, oh well.

 Just where is it you meet people when your not in school anymore???

 I don't do church

 I don't take the dog to the dog park

 I don't cruise Venice Beach

 I don't go down to 3rd Street anymore

 I don't go to City Walk

 I barely go to local clubs unless I am DJ'ing (been there done that)

 Where I work there is one seriously ugly cashier and its Simi Valley were I have never had any measurable amount of success.

 As I said in another post, I have certain things working against me and being from California doesn't qualify you as being an expert on Women from Los Angeles.

 Who has no children?

 Let me look at it from the perspective that many of the White American women that date black men on a regular basis, chances are they have some baby daddy drama. The FEW that are left are college educated and I am beneath them.

 Next -

 I don't believe the hype I just read it and repeated it. If its untrue I guess its untrue, they can't sell me any wolf tickets.

 What did Chris Rock say in New Jack City?

 "What am I your Ghetto Tour Guide???"

 I think you have some terms mixed up.

 Next -

 Thrifty Spender only SOME of the time. Who said this HAS to be expensive? Who wrote that book? Granted overall, would it cost me several thousands of dollars to pull off more than likely, guess what if she's worth it, I won't miss it.

 Next -

 Its not racial but experiences are not shared, its not possible. After all, since when is there an FAQ ANYWHERE concerning American men interested in women from FSU, South America or Asia that says -

 "I am White Guy from America/EU, how will women from these countries react to me?"

 Next -

 Now let's be real, of course that was not said, but I seriously doubt people sit around a table and go "Gee, I wonder how Black Guys do in Russia??" As you say you they barely see them. I walked around Kiev and did NOT see another Black person save for the brotha that got off the plane with me with his White GF/WF and her Father. I assume they were not Ukrainian, they were in town for business.

 Next -

  C'mon Bra I really wanna know where you think it is I am looking?

 Next -

  I'm just keeping it real. If you don't like what I said, I don't know what to tell you. I am not Capt. "Save "Em Though" or should that be Capt. Save A Hoe. Cultures are different so I really shouldn't say that. I'll hazard to guess that the number of children born out of wedlock in FSU is MUCH lower than in America. They don't call America "Sex Prison" for nothing and that's for various reasons including the lack of proper sex education in school because SOME parents won't allow it.

 America's typical lack of progressive and critical thinking

 Next -

 Your are not going to get me to say what I don't want to say, so I'll say it again. My life (I didn't say lifestyle, you're making assumptions) doesn't allow me to get what I want (woman-wise). Are you trying to tell me American women from Southern California will go out with ANYBODY as long as they are working, have a car (boy do I) and live alone?

 

 C'mon my boy just got married to a woman 5 years older (he's 34) than him with 3 children from a previous relationship. I don't think he "settled" per se but I would hardly call that IDEAL.

 He lived alone, had a car and worked 2 jobs, you know uniquely "American".

 Now if I wanted to hang out with an "Empty Nester" or some struggling single mother (and don't tell me most AREN'T struggling) then I wouldn't need to be on this broad. Last time I hooked up with somebody on the other side of  35, she had 2 kids (one at home) recently divorced and didn't know if she could pay her mortgage that month and her car was beat. Now look if women can do that to me, then payback is a motha ain't it?

  Next -

 LOL, your killing me man!

 Ask any Western European women the difference between Africans and African-Americans.

 We are not ONE in the SAME. African culture is 180 of typical Western Culture and it tends to cause "problems" in relationships. Trust me, I have seen it FIRST HAND. Some even LIE and claim they are American or from a big US city like New York. I am NOT making this up.

 Next -

 I don't know what to really tell you about that girl. I got lost on the subway, got off at the wrong stop, I found an English speaking dispatcher for a taxi company and got back on track. I was walking into the mall area and I saw her, she looked me DEAD in the eye and smiled. I continued into the mall, thought better of it and turned around. I motioned her to "come here"; she smiled and shook her head no. What did you want me to do??? Okay maybe I needed to be more aggressive with her but I was still in "Western Women" mode, so I didn't know any better.

 Next -

  To wrap this up.

 There are spelling errors that I nor Firefox didn't catch, I think you can refrain from correcting me.

  Now don't tell me during WWII many White American soldiers didn't spread a whole bunch of BS about Nergos from America to the White women in Europe. Just because you were born within the last 40 years doesn't mean it didn't happen and that it doesn't have lasting effects.
 
 Are you apart of that backlash against Urban Culture?

 American Culture is mom, apple pie, Chevrolet and Ronald Regan, Indigo Girls, Motley Crew, Friends and Jerry Seinfeld

 Black American Culture is Dick Gregory, Stokie Carmicheal, Andrew Young, The Boondocks, The Jefferson's, Good Times, Sanford & Son, Shaft and Beyonce Knowles

 VERY DIFFERENT

 


 


 




 

 






 

Not limited at all.  I attended public school in the south.  About 1/3 of my classmates were African-American.  In sports, we were like brothers.  Winning championships together does that.

Professionally and socially, I also have great African-American friends.  In fact, tonight we have such friends over for dinner and music.  Both are African-American, and so is their 7 year old son and 4 year old daughter.

Don't know why you made the quote above?  My advice to you was from experience, not lack of experience. My experience in the fsu is the same as Scott's was.  FSU girls are unfamiliar with blacks and based upon their portrayal in hollywood movies, they have a negative opinion.

Once they arrive in the US, they live and learn and are fine. Note my comment about who is coming to dinner tonight.  Race is zero factor for her now.

[William3rd]

Gentlemen- my BS detector just went off in a big way. . . . . and so did my clown alert.

Tentative identification is . . . . a Troll-class prevaricator.


Implementing emergency IGNORE procedures. . . . . . . . now!!!!

[djfourmonie]

Not limited at all.  I attended public school in the south.  About 1/3 of my classmates were African-American.  In sports, we were like brothers.  Winning championships together does that.

Professionally and socially, I also have great African-American friends.  In fact, tonight we have such friends over for dinner and music.  Both are African-American, and so is their 7 year old son and 4 year old daughter.

Don't know why you made the quote above?  My advice to you was from experience, not lack of experience. My experience in the fsu is the same as Scott's was.  FSU girls are unfamiliar with blacks and based upon their portrayal in hollywood movies, they have a negative opinion.

Once they arrive in the US, they live and learn and are fine. Note my comment about who is coming to dinner tonight.  Race is zero factor for her now.

 Now Hollywood's NEGATIVE imagines WHO'S FAULT IS THAT?

  Don't blame me I didn't run out and see "Soul Plane"

 Some imagines are troubling, but you know that's just apart of our "maturing" I guess as a culture.
 
 For 3 days in Kiev I didn't do too badly. I wouldn't say I was lucky and I didn't attract women like flies either. I took the relaxed approach, one bumped into me@112 and from there we went club hopping until 5am. The next night, I got PULLED off my bar stool by a Danish girl visiting Kiev with her college class.

 I think I'll be ok, when I go back - 
 

[djfourmonie]

Gentlemen- my BS detector just went off in a big way. . . . . and so did my clown alert.

Tentative identification is . . . . a troll.


Implementing emergency IGNORE procedures. . . . . . . . now.

 Who you calling a TROLL?

  Is this the part were I post pictures of my trip and the stamps in my passport??

  I have witnesses they are from another Forum. How would I know where Shooters, 112 and a few other "choice" spots are in the city???

 I also have the SIM card I picked up from a local Cellphone shop. I went looking at DJ equipment in the City Centre.

 Your keeping me up I have to be at work at Noon...


 

 

[Simoni]

Now Hollywood's NEGATIVE imagines WHO'S FAULT IS THAT?

We are not talking about fault here.  Just reality.

I quote from my girl "All I know about black people is what I see in the movies."

[ScottinCrimea]

There is a saying "If you were only in my shoes"

 Simon, Nando, Scott -

 I kinda knew some Caucasian men would try and compare their experience with mine. Now I bet you would understand if you have African-American men as some of your friends you actually socialized with on a regular basis. Based on some replies I would say that is LIMITED at best.

 If you socialize with women that would NEVER consider dating anybody but Anglo men, then you DON'T HAVE A CLUE.

So you spent three days in Kiev vs. my two years and I'm the one who doesn't have a clue?  So you pull out the race thing and preach that because I'm Caucasion I don't understand the "black experience".  What a load of BS!

You say that you haven't been able to find a woman who meets your high criteria, but I think the truth is more that you haven't been able to attract such women.

You are making a couple of very big mistakes.  First, you can't compare the attitudes toward Blacks of women from Western Europe and those from Eastern Europe.  There's  HUGE difference and if you were to spend more time in Ukraine or Russia you would see it.  Second, just because a FSUW smiles at you doesn't mean she is attracted to you and just because one might date you doesn't mean she would ever consider having a long term relationship with you.  The reality is that Blacks are a novelty in the FSU.  They may stare at you and they may smile at you, but it doesn't mean they are attracted to you, it just means you are a curiosity.  They may date you to shock their parents or have a unique experience to share with their friends but most are not willing to endure the pressure they would face if it went beyond that.

Noe of what I'm saying is meant to be racist, it's just the reality as I have seen it and as it has been expressed to me by many many FSUW.

Now get off the "I'm unique because I'm black" kick.  It's all the other qualities you do or don't have that are going to get you what you deserve.  Frankly, from what I've seen so far, I would strongly recommend that you don't waste your time in the FSU.  Black, white, or purple, you just haven't got what they want.

[Serebro]

Scott, you speak about the tendency, but there are always exceptions...

[ScottinCrimea]

Scott, you speak about the tendency, but there are always exceptions...

That's a given Serebro.  It's going to have to be one heck of an exception for him to find a hot, sexy childless FSUW who's looking for an older, dumpy Afro-American DJ with an attitude.  He's just not exceptional enough to attract such an exception.

[Serebro]

That's a given Serebro.  It's going to have to be one heck of an exception for him to find a hot, sexy childless FSUW who's looking for an older, dumpy Afro-American DJ with an attitude.  He's just not exceptional enough to attract such an exception.

Scott, when I look at some members of forums like this one and their families I can see things which are hard to believe in.  Quite often.

[William3rd]

Safe in the IGNORE zone from the further depredations of SUPERFLY 2007 and his GHB loaded brain cells, I can only watch in wonder and horror as my compatriots are dragged mesmerized into another wave of Troll infection. Run away, run away NOW!!!

[Simoni]

Scott, when I look at some members of forums like this one and their families I can see things which are hard to believe in.  Quite often.

But that's just it.  There ARE many exceptional, highly successful men here who have made it to the top in their professions and then succeeded in an international marriage, too.   They are exceptional. 

Our newbie DJ is not in that category.

[Serebro]

But that's just it.  There ARE many exceptional, highly successful men here who have made it to the top in their professions and then succeeded in an international marriage, too.   They are exceptional. 

Our newbie DJ is not in that category.

Being exceptional and highly successful man isn't the main criteria for me:)

[acrzybear]

DJ

In order to find a good lady you will either to change your attitude or change your shoes.  Not everything is about race.  I'm done with this thread

[LiveFromUkraine]

Dj, you crack me up.

I am living in Ukraine right now and have been for the past 8 months.  Not as long as Scott and I hope it won't be. 

I am married and came over here for one woman so I don't have the experience of dating.  I do pay attention to things around me, must be because I am from north of Detroit and sometimes it pays to keep attentive. 

I have actually been seeing more and more black people here.  I think the majority of them are African.  I met a couple black guys in a pub from the states.  I didn't get a chance to talk to them to see how they were doing.  I would see some black guys on agency dates from time to time.  Not too often and to be perfectly honest the women were not very attractive, at least to me.  Nothing to write home about.

I know what my wife says about her perceptions on this issue and that is based on her social upbringing.  Most people think the same that I came across here.  You think we haven't had this conversation on these boards before?  It has happened and we have had these types of conversations.  We have had asian ethinicity on here and the same was said. 

You are right, I am not black.  I have lived in a very segregated city which is why I don't call you African American.  Personally I hate that term.  Take what I say as you want.  I really don't think you are looking for advice here because the advice that has been given has just been cast aside because we are not black.

Oh I almost forgot, Scott what the heck is a AFRO AMERICAN?   

Since we are white, we cannot advise you.  I suggest going to Ukraine, Russia or any other FSU country and trying it out for yourself.  You may meet a great girl and have that family you always wanted.  Anything is possible.  It may take you a very long time and lots of cash to find that girl because the odds are against you.  But then again I am not black.  It is your time and your money.  I would welcome you coming back to share your experiences with us.

Anyway, I wish you the best.  You will have some fun and just treat it like that.


I know there was a black guy that lived in Kiev for some time.  I never met him but heard his story.  He was here during the Orange revolution.  I think he ended up marrying a latino girl from central america. 


Good luck,



Thomas

[BC]

May sound kinda awkward but I usually watch RU TV most of the day.

Over the years observed quite a few black 'personalities' appearing in RU TV and seem to be accepted quite well.

Dark skin, fluent Russian - better chance than most Aeroflot whiteys...  Have yet to see ONE white non RU guy speaking fluent Russian on TV...

Learn Russian!

Cheers!