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Offline timothe

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Re: Jack Bragg in the News ...
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2007, 01:05:17 PM »
I agree that women want the whole package just like men want the whole package.  But as you know, everyone has liabilities that go along with those assets, so it's a matter of priority in some instances.  (Do I go after the girl who is 10 in looks, 9 in personality, but 5 in family values?)  I think it's wishful thinking for someone to be a 10 in all categories. 

Of course, the other part of this equation is obtainability.  In this case, I agree with you to an extent.  As a guy pushing 130kg, can I really expect a model quality woman 20 years younger than me to stick with me through best and the worst life has to offer?  I think that's unrealistic. 

But that doesn't mean I can't find a woman who is attractive to me and attracted to me just because I'm fat.  Not all women see weight as the number one requirement in a relationship.  And those that are shallow enough to look at life that way are not desirable to me. 

I've always wondered what happens to these beautiful people when they get old and they are not beautiful anymore.  What if the woman gets ugly first? Or if she gets in a car accident and her appearance is ruined?  Does the man leave because he has made such great sacrifices to stay in shape that it is unfair to him to be stuck with an ugly woman?  Does the woman who has cared for her body her whole life leave the man because later in life, he grew large amounts of body hair? 

I simply can't imagine relations where appearance is the base necessity.  It just seems like so much can and will go wrong with that kind of search.  And I've dated a lot of women, Russian and American, who never gave me a second chance because of my appearance.  Too bad for them. 

To me, appearance is only important to the extent where it becomes intolerable.  The woman I am going to marry is very beautiful, but she's not slim.  She is also very intelligent, caring, funny, outgoing, and responsible.  She is considerably better than any woman I could have a chance with in USA.  By the same token, I am the best thing that happened to her as well.  No good man in her city who could take care of her would accept a 33yr old woman with a teenage child when there are so many younger women without children that are available.

At the end of the day, I think that's what makes a good relationship possible.  Both people need to believe they are getting the best person they could possibly obtain.  For a man, that may be looks only or it may be deeper than that and the same for a woman.  But you can't paint the broad brush that a fat man can't reasonably expect to have relations with a thin woman because the brush only applies to those who hang in shallower water.   


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Re: Jack Bragg in the News ...
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2007, 02:17:28 PM »

 

I simply can't imagine relations where appearance is the base necessity.  It just seems like so much can and will go wrong with that kind of search.  And I've dated a lot of women, Russian and American, who never gave me a second chance because of my appearance.  Too bad for them. 



 You can't. Well here goes.

 Describe the ideal First Dream woman.
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She is in very good shape. She's between 5'6" and 5'8", from 105 to 130 pounds. She takes a lot of pride in how she looks. She always finds time to work out.


 If that's not shallow what is? I'm saying the MOB scene will never have any respect if a large majority of the guys don't get off their delusions they are Brad Pitt millionaires going off to find young hotties in Russia. But with the pretense they are just looking for good wives. There are great women out there like yours. But most guys will think they're too good for her because they want "perfection" or close to it.

 I respect what you seek and see you are a decent guy. But a vast majority of guys looking for FW are not as realistic as you and have a ME attitude. Along with the usual anthem of AW are too fat ,made by guys who really should'nt be calling anyone out gives so many oppurtunities to make this quest seem like a joke. I literally cringe when I hear some AM explaining to a FW why he's not attracted to AW.Or ones writting in blogs about issues with AW(as though they are perfect specimens) when you can blatently see his issues run deep too. Usually it's from a guy who should know better  to keep his mouth shut. But he's so delusional he has no idea how foolish he looks. This is why it's so easy for tv shows and documentary makers to find trainwrcks amongs men who seek MOB's. I doubt it's all in the editing!


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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2007, 03:07:25 PM »
You can't. Well here goes.

 Describe the ideal First Dream woman.
 Jack Bragg says:
She is in very good shape. She's between 5'6" and 5'8", from 105 to 130 pounds. She takes a lot of pride in how she looks. She always finds time to work out.


 If that's not shallow what is? I'm saying the MOB scene will never have any respect if a large majority of the guys don't get off their delusions they are Brad Pitt millionaires going off to find young hotties in Russia. But with the pretense they are just looking for good wives. There are great women out there like yours. But most guys will think they're too good for her because they want "perfection" or close to it.

I agree with you completely.  The guys that buy into the agency advertising without careful research and self-analysis are going to get a whole lot more than they bargained for.  I'm not sure that I would blame Jack (or any other agency owner) for selling the dream.  (It's not like the beer companies are required to show images of people in DTs rather than beautiful women partying.)

I met some real wacked out guys during my most recent trip to the Ukraine.  To me, I think things have deteriorated on both sides of the ledger since 2003, when I was last looking.  The girls in the agencies have become more shark-like and the men seeking them seem more desperate and flawed.  It's just anecdotal observation but there may be some truth there.

   

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Re: Jack Bragg in the News ...
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2007, 03:32:10 PM »
This is why it's so easy for tv shows and documentary makers to find trainwrcks amongs men who seek MOB's. I doubt it's all in the editing!

I'd have to agree. I'm sometimes puzzled that guys complain about stereotypes and how the scene is depicted in popular media when the stereotypes on our side (e.g., traditional women who love men twice their age) are hanging out there on agency sites for all to see.

I'm not trying to sling mud, only that people should understand that journalists will zero in on this kind of stuff immediately. You can blame them for focusing on the slimy side of the business but the sad reality is until we clean up our own home - which I believe will never happen, BTW - these stories will appear again and again. For most people unfamiliar with international relationships, the differences in how we meet and court our women are very subtle; for those who are actually doing it and see sex tourists, losers who couldn't get a date in their own country, and pariahs on the prowl in Russia/Ukraine, those differences are profound.

Personally, I could care less if some gender studies professor or lazy journalist wants to put me in the same boat as Winnie Wu or Pike, my wife and I came to terms with this crap long ago and it makes no difference in our day to day lives.

 

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