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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #75 on: December 03, 2007, 01:06:22 PM »
Qualified of clarified? Subtle but important difference. Deccie seemed to be eluding to the conclusion of seriously animated arguments occurring often. ...............is what I actually said. Point is, if and when we have a blue, it is usually over some unimportant BS.

I/O

That certainly was not my intention I/O. My intention was purely to relate your experience (and expectations of the future) to my own.

I also ended up with quite a strong willed woman. However, sometimes I swear she seems to just want an argument for the sake of having an argument sometimes.

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #76 on: December 03, 2007, 01:09:16 PM »
That certainly was not my intention I/O. My intention was purely to relate your experience (and expectations of the future) to my own.

I also ended up with quite a strong willed woman. However, sometimes I swear she seems to just want an argument for the sake of having an argument sometimes.
They certainly like a spirted debate now, don't they?  At least mine does.
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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #77 on: December 03, 2007, 01:52:44 PM »
However, sometimes I swear she seems to just want an argument for the sake of having an argument sometimes.

It takes two to tango, guys. You make it sound like your wives are having arguments all by themselves. :-)
There are shortcuts to happiness and dancing is one of them.

I do resent the fact that most people never question or think for themselves. I don't want to be normal. I just want to find some other people that are odd in the same ways that I am. OP.

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #78 on: December 03, 2007, 01:57:45 PM »
It takes two to tango, guys. You make it sound like your wives are having arguments all by themselves. :-)
:ROFL: :sad: :ROFL: :sad:

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Sad but true.  We are both a couple of hard headed Russians.  She is too damn stubborn! (as am I)
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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #79 on: December 03, 2007, 01:58:48 PM »
They certainly like a spirted debate now, don't they?  At least mine does.
KenC

Is that what they call it now KenC?  Debating?  :crackthewhip: :ROFL:

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #80 on: December 03, 2007, 02:00:37 PM »
Now if I could just teach my wife to let me win one once in awhile.   :wallbash:

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #81 on: December 03, 2007, 02:08:58 PM »
They certainly like a spirted debate now, don't they?  At least mine does.
KenC

When my wife first arrived we could count on a few good arguments each week. At first I was worried about it, but as my wife repeatedly explained we both occasionally build up a store of bad energy and the only way to release it is with someone you love and trust. I have to say that I've completely switched to her way of thinking, as issues are dealt with immediately and there is never any lingering resentment or feeling that something hasn't been resolved; we never go to sleep at night with even the slightest misgivings about what happened the previous day. I never had this sort of 24/7 "clean" relationship with an American woman, and whenever I attempt to explain this to friends they don't understand.

I never understand why guys disappear from RWD when they get married, the ability to share experiences with other guys who can instantly understand something like this is priceless.

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #82 on: December 03, 2007, 02:57:56 PM »
You make it sound like your wives are having arguments all by themselves. :-)

They are women aren't they?

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When my wife first arrived we could count on a few good arguments each week.
I was thinking more in terms of a few good arguments each day....or was that each hour.. :-\ :-\ I haven't lost and argument with my wife yet (IMO) but I don't think that has put me any closer to winning one either.  >:( >:( >:(

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #83 on: December 03, 2007, 03:03:47 PM »
They are women aren't they?
 I was thinking more in terms of a few good arguments each day....or was that each hour.. :-\ :-\ I haven't lost and argument with my wife yet (IMO) but I don't think that has put me any closer to winning one either.  >:( >:( >:(

I/O
I/O,
I am sure her scorecard reads a bit differently. 8)
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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #84 on: December 03, 2007, 03:12:03 PM »
I/O,
I am sure her scorecard reads a bit differently. 8)
KenC

KenC: Ah well, I've been scoring ok where it counts. ;D

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #85 on: December 03, 2007, 03:20:06 PM »
KenC: Ah well, I've been scoring ok where it counts. ;D

I/O

Braggard.  :applaud:

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #86 on: December 03, 2007, 03:47:57 PM »
Braggard.  :applaud:

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Nope...!!! Content would be a better word. :tongueout:

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #87 on: December 03, 2007, 03:57:36 PM »
KenC: Ah well, I've been scoring ok where it counts. ;D

I/O
Ah, yes, but that does decrease over time, the stuborness stays forever.
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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #88 on: December 03, 2007, 04:32:43 PM »
Ah, yes, but that does decrease over time, the stuborness stays forever.
 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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KenC: Doubtless...!! Case of "Make hay while the sun shines".  :cheesygrin:

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2007, 03:39:20 PM »
I find it strange that at 24 you are looking for "quality" in a woman...not that it's not an admirable goal, but I know few, if any, 24 year olds who've had enough dating experience to be able to say that the women that are available locally are not of quality status.  How much have you dated?  Enough to know there are no quality women in your age bracket?  I can say that when I was your age I had no shortage of women to date and that there were plenty of quality women for me to date.  The pool only started shrinking when I hit my 30's by which time I was engaged to an AW.  The only reason I looked to the FSU was because when I broke up with my fiancee I was past mid 30's and most of the quality AW I knew had been taken during the time I was with my ex-fiancee and it was much harder to find quality AW in my age bracket. 

Are you sure you are not looking to the FSU as a crux for inability to date women here? 

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2007, 04:28:34 PM »
I find it strange that at 24 you are looking for "quality" in a woman...not that it's not an admirable goal, but I know few, if any, 24 year olds who've had enough dating experience to be able to say that the women that are available locally are not of quality status.  How much have you dated?  Enough to know there are no quality women in your age bracket?  I can say that when I was your age I had no shortage of women to date and that there were plenty of quality women for me to date.  The pool only started shrinking when I hit my 30's by which time I was engaged to an AW.  The only reason I looked to the FSU was because when I broke up with my fiancee I was past mid 30's and most of the quality AW I knew had been taken during the time I was with my ex-fiancee and it was much harder to find quality AW in my age bracket. 

Are you sure you are not looking to the FSU as a crux for inability to date women here? 

Look man, I hate to brag but you're just asking for it. I'm a marine, who hunts, fishes, drives a Jag, does manual labor all day, my arms are about as big around as most peoples legs, all the while making more than decent pay.

Needless to say I get women. Whenever I go to Florida to visit my parents I always hit up the clubs in Tampa beceause I know I can find a girl easily.

Problem is, their are virtually no girls in Alaska, and most of the girls over here worth looking at are either already married or can't commit. You have to look high and low to find the girl who can't commit, but she's just going to dump you in a month. Over here we call it "losing your turn".

Foreign wives are extremely popular here do to the woman shortage. My friend has an Asain wife, who I actually find kindof irritating, but their both happy with eachother which is what gave me the idea to look at Russians.

If you ever come to anchorage, and you see somebody sittin on a barstool, talkin to his buddies about the foreigner he met on the internet, don't tell him he's compensating for his inability to get American women.

Natives here, are 6'6 250 lbs, drunk, and havn't gotten laid in a while. You say that to someones face and you write yourself a death sentence.

Personally, I think the only reason YOU'RE looking for a Russian bride is beceause you're an ass and the only people strong willed enough to deal with that on a daily basis are Russians.

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2007, 07:05:04 PM »
Zeus: You have reacted fairly strongly to a question you perceive as an attack. I suggest you consider the content of a question before responding if you are serious about the RW thing because you will get many similar questions posed to you by RW. To answer them by saying you have what it takes to get whatever you want is simply not going to cut the mustard. Listing material or physical attributes is most likely to put you right at the bottom of their selection pile. Food for thought.

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #92 on: December 05, 2007, 07:13:19 PM »
Z-
like many threads or posts,,
most here can only go by what's actually posted in them.
and offer advice accordingly?
of course a lot of the picture is often missing.

so have patience in reading thru it, most have your best interest in mind.

That tidbit about your location ,and circumstance,
 explanes a great deal..of why you might be considering looking into a RW.

and there are a lot of ex-military ,particularly Marines ;), in this venture it seems.

by the way my wife still says she would not have given me a second thought,
 if i had still been active at the time we met. She would never consider being a military wife.
it's just her own feelings,but it seems shared by many RW i know..
(my father is a retired (now) a lifer,still lives a stones throw from NAS Fallon,
 she is very glad i did not follow his career path )

Also, I remember one guy from anchorage? (certainly AK)
 that was on another RW forum (RWGuide)
He was happily married to a RW , and had given and received a lot of decent advice
on the forums..his wife posted often as well...
 so it just shows a good example of there being all kinds of RW,,
and his wife particularly liked the outdoors and alaska's lifestyle. 


My advice,
Don't buy into the agency hype,,it's mostly complete BS.
That doesn't mean that there arnt plenty of nice RW looking for a good man.

 There are some key cultural differences.
they can be positive or negative..
Positives almost always outweighing the negatives ,
unless you ask me on a different day ;)

to be blunt with you,
your age is going to be suspect for many RW,,as they just dont "generally" consider someone that age to be serious and grounded.
So it's your biggest hurdle.
but not an impossible one to overcome ,,certainly some will give you the chance to show you are mature and sincere about this for them
Just expect it to be questioned.

The second hurdle is your location.
The same reasons that you dont have many choices in women there now,
are the same reasons many RW would not be interested in relocating to the area.
 A RW (any woman) that truly cares for you,will live wherever! of course!

but in this scenerio , they don't know you yet,
they have choices,
 and many will move along to meet ,or correspond ,
with someone from a place they are more interested in living.

That said, i'm sure plenty would consider the area, i'm just pointing out some hurdles you might face and to be prepared for.

the other is the education .
its important to most RW.
in thier culture no college degree, basically means no decent job propects  to support a family reliably.Generally the only real reason for marriage is for family,and children,
 they are often very pragmatic.
so a guy without a college education is viewed quite often as not a good prospect for marraige and certainly not a good enough one to move across a continent and language barrier for.
its just how they often think, and if you think practically ,you cannot blame them at all .
Now thats thier mindset 'often', not *always*

it doesnt mean that there are not many RW that recognize the economic and cultural differences ,and understand that you could be a good provider for  a family..without
the degree..
so simply another hurdle,nothing that cant be overcome,byut be expecting it to be in thier thinking.
(by the way i do not have a degree,and yes it was a big concern to many RW i met,including my wife)

to answer another question you posted-
 YES most of the motivation for relocating away from all they know,
is economic,
might as well take the blue pill ,and enter the matrix right now .   
and enter this with eyes wide open.

An attractive RW has options at home..maybe not as many as she'd like ,
but plenty enough.
Many that will be considering marriage to a foregn man,will be pragmatically based on a view of  a more secure life for her, her future family, the whole purpose of marriage.
there will be other factors like a belief, or hope ,
in a equal loving relationship,
or that a western man might be more likely to truly accept and treat a child she already has as his own.
but the majority of it will be security - economics.
That doesnt mean she is looking simply for a visa mule,
and it doesnt mean she isnt looking for true love,
it means there are a lot of factors in a decision to even contemplate marrying and moving away from your friends and family and native language and culture forever.

Face ,and accept, the reality of what the large motivators are though, and it will help you.
 


There ARE big cultural differences,, the three i just mentioned ,
are  simply there because their culture is different.

Not better, not worse, just different.
as i mentioned some of those things can be negative, some very positive.

your biggest allies in all aspects of this is -
from start to possibly  happily married.. and staying that way  
are :
being resolute ,but a gentlemen,and having a good dose of
tolerence , understanding of the differences,and patience.

Dont take all the advice or critism fro mhere, to hard..
its aimed at giving you the best chances..

There are lot of very happyly married couples,and the positives aren't reviewd often enough.
but they are there :)


Good luck!


 










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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #93 on: December 05, 2007, 07:20:10 PM »
I/O, it is Zeus's MO to jump to conclusions and overreact.

Zeus,

AJ is a good model for you to follow. 

In many ways your situation sounds just like the early days of America's West when the term "mail order brides" was coined.  Makes you seem rather desperate.  If you ever go to Russia, are you sure you can handle a woman who you did not pay for?

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #94 on: December 05, 2007, 07:50:54 PM »
I/O, it is Zeus's MO to jump to conclusions and overreact.

Zeus,

AJ is a good model for you to follow. 

In many ways your situation sounds just like the early days of America's West when the term "mail order brides" was coined.  Makes you seem rather desperate.  If you ever go to Russia, are you sure you can handle a woman who you did not pay for?

Lol I should probably apologize. I havn't been part of many internet communities. Where I come from it's really a bunch of blue collar workers, and the pace of society is set by natives who are still pissed about the US taking their land, on top of the fact that bearly anybody is getting laid. Needless to say people are a bit edgy where I come from, and getting your head torn off over somthing trivial is common.

So sorry to anyone who I wrongly tore a new asshole, I'll calm down once I find a good woman, I promise.

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #95 on: December 05, 2007, 09:04:47 PM »
Quote from: Zeusophobia
I'll calm down once I find a good woman, I promise

To find a good woman, calm is one of the traits you need possess before you find her. Don't do it for us, do it for yourself.

I hate to brag...

You did brag. When debating guys here, and many of us had our heated moments, I don't pull rank by listing mental achievements and physical abilities. I hope to win a debate with facts and common sense. Zeus, in high school I had the record for most sit-ups and held a record with a relay team. I got second place in the Maryland State bowling tournament in 1984. I've scored in the top 1% in the nation on some of those national tests they give out in school. When I was 16 and too young for the military to legally approach, they wrote a letter to my parents to encourage me to sign up for their nuclear program. Zeus, you have the privilege of knowing this about me and nobody here until now did and none of the women I corresponded with knows this about me. My fiancee that knew me for 2 1/2 years still doesn't know these things. I don't need to tell her these things to win her over or win a debate here. You're still young and hopefully you'll grow in the right direction and you will win people over, not with who you are in the past but who you are now. You may even be a better man than most of us when you get to our ages. You may even be a better man now than we were at your age. Who knows but when your looks fade and your mental and physical abilities deteriorate, what's left about you that is going to keep that woman by your side till the end? Think about what that is and work on it.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #96 on: December 05, 2007, 09:05:13 PM »
I'll calm down once I find a good woman, I promise.

May I suggest in the "Bluest Collar" possible terms you do what most guys should (And probably do) do, have a wank, that'll calm you down enough to THEN find the right woman and all will be hunky dory. (Just a tip from an ol goat who's been round the block a time or two, it's the most fun you can have for free) :P 8)

I/O

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« Reply #97 on: December 05, 2007, 10:03:08 PM »
Look man, I hate to brag but you're just asking for it. I'm a marine, who hunts, fishes, drives a Jag, does manual labor all day, my arms are about as big around as most peoples legs, all the while making more than decent pay.

Needless to say I get women. Whenever I go to Florida to visit my parents I always hit up the clubs in Tampa beceause I know I can find a girl easily.

Problem is, their are virtually no girls in Alaska, and most of the girls over here worth looking at are either already married or can't commit. You have to look high and low to find the girl who can't commit, but she's just going to dump you in a month. Over here we call it "losing your turn".

Foreign wives are extremely popular here do to the woman shortage. My friend has an Asain wife, who I actually find kindof irritating, but their both happy with eachother which is what gave me the idea to look at Russians.

If you ever come to anchorage, and you see somebody sittin on a barstool, talkin to his buddies about the foreigner he met on the internet, don't tell him he's compensating for his inability to get American women.

Natives here, are 6'6 250 lbs, drunk, and havn't gotten laid in a while. You say that to someones face and you write yourself a death sentence.

Personally, I think the only reason YOU'RE looking for a Russian bride is beceause you're an ass and the only people strong willed enough to deal with that on a daily basis are Russians.

Z,

This is an extraordinary attack to a fairly reasonable question.

Your immaturity has come out several times now and I think you've been given a pretty easy ride because you're probably seen as a young buck who'll do little damage to anyone except yourself.

Earlier you said you don't want any sugar-coated BS... Good!  Here's a shot of reality for you! 

No matter what you earn, or what you drive, or what passport you carry, or who YOU think you are - I doubt any decent FSUW will fall madly in love (and stay in love) with someone with such low Emotional Intelligence.

They have options in FSU and some of the average men are going to look pretty damn good compared to you.

You're assumptions may very well be driven by the agency marketing you've been reading but it appears you don't have the intelligence to absorb and understand the advice you've been reading in here (and there's lots of it!)

You're immediate reaction to any post not supporting your perturbed version of reality is to attack... even though you have absolutely no experience on the subject matter!

I suggest you find one of the girls down south that you play with and convince her you're good enough for her before you even try to overcome the language and cultural barriers that will surely leave you disappointed.

I won't point out all of the twisted reality in your posts (and apparent thinking), but I know a few things (coming from a Ukrainian family and marrying a Ukrainian/ethnic Russian woman).  I don't think you're current behaviour or conduct will cut it with a decent RW/UW.

Good luck in the future...  you'll need it!

Kuna

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #98 on: December 05, 2007, 11:08:17 PM »
Z,

This is an extraordinary attack to a fairly reasonable question.

Your immaturity has come out several times now and I think you've been given a pretty easy ride because you're probably seen as a young buck who'll do little damage to anyone except yourself.

Earlier you said you don't want any sugar-coated BS... Good!  Here's a shot of reality for you! 

No matter what you earn, or what you drive, or what passport you carry, or who YOU think you are - I doubt any decent FSUW will fall madly in love (and stay in love) with someone with such low Emotional Intelligence.

They have options in FSU and some of the average men are going to look pretty damn good compared to you.

You're assumptions may very well be driven by the agency marketing you've been reading but it appears you don't have the intelligence to absorb and understand the advice you've been reading in here (and there's lots of it!)

You're immediate reaction to any post not supporting your perturbed version of reality is to attack... even though you have absolutely no experience on the subject matter!

I suggest you find one of the girls down south that you play with and convince her you're good enough for her before you even try to overcome the language and cultural barriers that will surely leave you disappointed.

I won't point out all of the twisted reality in your posts (and apparent thinking), but I know a few things (coming from a Ukrainian family and marrying a Ukrainian/ethnic Russian woman).  I don't think you're current behaviour or conduct will cut it with a decent RW/UW.

Good luck in the future...  you'll need it!

Kuna


Well thanks for the input, but I disagree with your statement about how you think I'll never find a Russian. I probably won't be able to get one of the same types of Russian girls you get, but you and I are very different and the girls we will be looking at are also going to be very different.

My grandmothers maid is from the FSU, and we got along just fine, so I'm not completely inexerienced from people with the FSU, I've met one. Also I was friends with a family from Bonsnia when I was growing up, I met their extended family who could bearly speak english. Not entirely sure if Bosnia is anything like the FSU though....

I'm also inclined to think that FSU women aren't all the same like certain people here make them out to be. They may come from the same culture, but they are all going to have different personalities and different criteria for a husband.

You may not like me, but that doesn't mean they won't. I'll be sure to send you wedding photos even if I don't post here anymore by that time.

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Re: Could this all be true?
« Reply #99 on: December 05, 2007, 11:28:51 PM »
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Natives here, are 6'6 250 lbs, drunk, and havn't gotten laid in a while. You say that to someones face and you write yourself a death sentence.

Rather a bleak picture of where you live. I doubt you will find any decent Russian girl who would be willing to relocate to such a place. Some may be interested, but they will be of the desperate type just looking for a way out.

 

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