Yo Everyone

[IAmZon]

Howdie, everybody.  Been awhile since I posted here ... sort of got sick of Turbo / Age gap bla bla bla that monopolized the boards so very much a couple of months back.  Still,, RWD is a great boards with great people.

For me, I was driven to my Russian Women interest by several FSU ladies I met in the states.  RWD helped me understand the cultural differences.  I also go involved from a distance in the writing letters, and the romanticizing thing.  I THINK I SPEND NORTH OF 3K in the last 18 months - just in fees.
 
Was I out of my &^#$&^$&^$ mind!?!?!?!

And, in my case, my crush / infatuation ended with my FSU sweetheart - READ CAREFULLY, my crush / infatuation - not my relationship.  I still like her very much, not love.  We have an uniquely honest and open relationship - we date other people. I

 remain interested in meeting other FSU women in the future.  My cup is a little full at the moment, however.

Because of my personal experience, I have many "earned" reasons that create my motivation to look to the FSU.

I am curious of others motivations, however. And that it the reason for this post: to initiate a dialog with those who have sought the love of a RW (often with great costs).  What was your motivation?!?!?  And, has your efforts been validated ... that is to say, have you found what you were seeking?

This thread likely will include a well examined point of "What Sucks about AM.  What is Great about RW."  I am hoping for something different than that here.  We will see.

[Admin]

rivardco,

I modified the title of the topic just a bit.

- Dan

[catzenmouse]

Was I out of my &^#$&^$&^$ mind!?!?!?!

Well Duh! You sure were. Of course that has nothing to do with FSUW or any W but just because its the way you are dude! 

This thread likely will include a well examined point of "What Sucks about AM.  What is Great about RW."  I am hoping for something different than that here.  We will see.

Did you mean "What Sucks about AW here or AM?"

Anyway, I think it could be a very interesting topic but I'd like to see how it goes for a bit before I throw out my 1 1/2 cents worth.

Ken

[Bruce]

When a guy bangs his head against a wall so many times, opens so many doors, climbs many hills and does not achieve (motivation) what he desires he thinks outside of the box. 

[BillyB]

  I THINK I SPEND NORTH OF 3K in the last 18 months - just in fees.
 
Was I out of my &^#$&^$&^$ mind!?!?!?!

 Rivcardo, what agencies have you been using to throw away that kind of money? $99 for the first month and $50 after you can get 900 contact info per month at bride.ru

[IAmZon]

My Title was much more catchy Dan.  Nice to see you Billy.  How goes your progress?  Remember seeing the recent photos of your Summer vacation.

In my case, I bought one of everything.  And the live chat on Russian Love Match milked me like a cow - cheaper than my shrink, though.

[BillyB]

My Title was much more catchy Dan.  Nice to see you Billy.  How goes your progress?  Remember seeing the recent photos of your Summer vacation.

In my case, I bought one of everything.  And the live chat on Russian Love Match milked me like a cow - cheaper than my shrink, though.

Rivcardo, you should know better than to use Russian Love Match. Newbies who never read the forum are supposed to make those kinds of mistakes. RLM is good if you want a fantasy instead of success.

Everything is fine with our mine and Natalia's progress now that our k-1 has been approved. It's at the NVC now and should get sent to the embassy in Tashkent any day.

[Kuna]

Riv,

You and I spoke about "the journey" soon after our simultaneous arrival at RWD.  I think newbies can learn from your experience in terms of timing and being ready.

I'd been out of my last serious relationship for around 3 years and had grown tired of local dating.  I had everything I could have wanted during that time - but I wanted none of it.

You were still extracting yourself from your previous serious relationship and while you thought you were ready for something "serious and real" at the time...  I'm sure I mentioned back then that it take time to get over past relationships - no matter how long you feel it "was" over.

As for the time and money you spent chatting and communicating with RW I'm a little disappointed at that.  Yes, it might have been cheaper than a therapist but spending the money supports an industry that isn't always legitimate.  Personally I think you would have gained more personal value from a trip where you could "meet girls in normal ways" - and experience the culture and heritage Eastern Europe has to offer.

I know we're all here because of our interest in RW/UW but those countries have a lot more to offer than women.

I wish you luck and hope that you choose wisely when you are ready.  I always enjoy hearing from you and know you are destined for "the one"... when you are clear minded enough to identify her - no matter where she's from.

Kuna

[I/O]

"What Sucks about AM.  What is Great about RW." 

American Men apparently have d!cks. Russian women don't. That's a pretty good start for the Russian girls I would've thought.

I/O

[KenC]

am curious of others motivations, however. And that it the reason for this post: to initiate a dialog with those who have sought the love of a RW (often with great costs).  What was your motivation?!?!?

I went to meet a facinating young woman I had met on line and got to know over the phone.  Oh and to see some of Russia too

And, has your efforts been validated ... that is to say, have you found what you were seeking?

Yeah, I have gotten to know her rather well. 
KenC

[Gator]

Rivardco,

I am not a shrink, yet you are giving some clues that you need one.  Spending $3k on correspondence reflects some combination of fantasy, addiction and fear of commitment.

If you had a good time doing it, fine, it is your life.  However, it is no way to look for a life partner, and you know that.

[av8or1]

Hey rivardco,

I'll go ahead and bravely step forward with my reasons, though they really aren't that alarming or revolutionary.  Like Kuna, I became tired, quite tired of the local dating scene.  It seemed like every AW I went out with felt as though she "deserved" a guy with Brad Pitt looks and Donald Trump's money.  Else he wasn't "good enough" for her.  Nevermind that she didn't have one or more of the following characteristics herself: a college education, a job, a good job, a car, a good car, a house, a good house, a salary, a good salary, a personality, and finally a GOOD personality.  As if.  Woefully short in most all aspects, usually.  Then there was the oldie-but-a-goodie of "most guys are boring as a chair", nevermind the fact that they didn't do anything besides shop or go clubbing (at 30+ years of age! ha!) themselves.  Nope, I just got T-I-R-E-D of the double standard imposed by AW and all of the crap therein.

So when a couple of friends of mine ended up having successful marriages with foreign women I thought to myself "well hell, it can't be any worse than this, so why not try it?"  And with that I made my first trip.  That was early 2004, March if I remember correctly.  Wow, almost 4 years ago.  Hmmmmmm...time flies...

Anyway, the whole "motivation" for me was and still is the same as it is with most men who attempt this endeavor: to find a better woman than I can find here.  Now "better" can mean different things to different men, I'll give you that.  Most of the newbies I have seen tend to date WAY OUT of their league and end up paying the price for it.  I've even seen more experienced men make those same kinds of newbie mistakes, to which I just shake my head in amazement.  Then I pray.

But I'm straying ... again.  For me "better" == a woman who is sincere, kind, caring, devoted, loyal, faithful, good hearted and who wants a family much more than a career.  A woman who respects her husband and her marriage and doesn't take having a good man in her life for granted.  A woman who understands that you get the shaft in life in general more often than you don't and therefore doesn't complain and blame me when it happens.  A woman who values what she has instead of yearning for what she doesn't.  A woman whose unselfish nature, kind spirit and consideration of others before she thinks of herself both amazes and inspires those who know her.  Finally, a woman who I would be proud to introduce to my family and friends.  Finding such a woman is my "motivation."  And that is why I do this.

Some of you out there may be thinking that this is too tall of an order to fill.  Today's environment is a lot less fruitful than the late 90's or early 00's, I'll admit.  But even with all of the trouble that you can find along the way, I think it can still be done.  Only now it's a needle in a haystack in a locked barn.  Inside a locked pen.  On a large ranch that is regularly patrolled by a knife-wielding, well armed gun rights advocate and governmental rebel.  With a mean wife.  And dog.  So...with the right plan, a quick trigger finger (if it even feels wrong, BAIL!) and some intestinal fortitude I believe it can be had.

Most newbies scare me with their reckless abandon and unrealistic expectations.  "Let's be careful out there" is the message, so take heed.

Looks like I am going to Kiev for Christmas/New Years.  Letchya know....

Best,

Jerry

[CaptB]

Rivardco,

You need to stop having "polls" to help make-up your mind. Find an interesting woman (or several if that is your inclination)...............and make an actual trip........get your feet wet. For three grand you could have made at least an average number of contacts.......located some interesting women..........AND.............made a trip. You know local (USA) Russian girls............but meeting them in "their" element will give you alot more insight into how they tick. You can "over analyze" for the next ten years.....finally make a trip.........and still crash & burn................its the nature of the beast.................no guartees.


As with Ken C...............I met an facinating woman online..............whom I got to know well.
Oh..........and to see Russia........also.

I have been rewarded by having a great partner to keep company with.


Capt B

[IAmZon]

See ... I forgot how much fun this was.

Thanks for contributions so far - especially avman (and I wish you the best)

Couple notes to clarify.

I spent that "whopping sum" BEFORE I came into contact with RWD.  And it included other online proclivities, to be honest.

Also, I am not running a poll for my own well being.  (I'm good.  For me personally, I need no coaxing, or cheer leading, a cold shower.  I know EXACTLY what I am doing now and when I am NOT doing now). 

The reason for the DISCUSSION is to clarify, in my mind, and other's who participate, the dynamics at work in a American Man's motivation.  Obviously, and on the surface, a AM can do better for himself in the Russian marketplace  (there is a greater tolerance for league and age disparity)  But I have noticed that with American Men who have had experience with foreign women (Brazil; Panama; Romanian; Ukrainian; and Russian), there is a change that occurs.

As for me, I have noticed that I do not notice, or become interested in American women - SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE AMERICAN  AND I PRESUME TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM - or worse, where this possibility would likely take me.  Have you noticed the all the elderly couples that give interviews on the news?  The woman does 90% of the talking, the man sits by her side as if he has had a lobotomy - well maybe he has.  I have become rather vocal in my circles about the differences in culture (and these are not limited to women - there are ample criticisms against American Men too.)

i was wondering what other's opinions are on the subject.

PS.  I know some members do not like such philosophizing.  They are turned on much more by questions involving directions and Russian history.  Well ... I ask for their tolerance.

[pk-uk]

As for me, I have noticed that I do not notice, or become interested in American women - SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE AMERICAN  AND I PRESUME TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM - or worse, where this possibility would likely take me.  Have you noticed the all the elderly couples that give interviews on the news?  The woman does 90% of the talking, the man sits by her side as if he has had a lobotomy - well maybe he has.  I have become rather vocal in my circles about the differences in culture (and these are not limited to women - there are ample criticisms against American Men too.)

Hmmm.... what makes you think an FSU woman wouldn't be doing 90% of the talking?

PK

[Gator]

Rivardco,

So now we are your motivational coach?  I can only describe what went through my head.  It probably is neither unique nor special.

My 2002 trip to Russia was mostly for the purpose of travel adventure and meeting RW.  I discovered that RW are fine, interesting women and I enjoyed their style and personality. 

Throughout my life I have been a creative man.  I abhor boredom and relish a challenge.  After a 25-year marriage and a series of new women, my life with AW  was apathetic.  When I found an energetic RW with a quick mind and an adventurous spirit, I never went back seriously to AW.  And to top it, she was well out of my league. 

At first I thought the novelty may have been the source of my attraction; however, after 5 ½ years, the novelty is gone and my feelings remain passionate, enthusiastic and unyielding. And the journey has been remarkably exhilarating.

All you have to do is get on your horse and go to Russia or Ukraine.  There is nothing stopping you other than yourself.

[acrzybear]

All you have to do is get on your horse and go to Russia or Ukraine.  There is nothing stopping you other than yourself.

That wouldbe one hellofa swim!!

[IAmZon]

It is not the talking that I was trying to emphasize.  It was the slouched shoulders and general lifelessness.  Now if you no something I don't --- don't be shy

[Mir]

Have you noticed the all the elderly couples that give interviews on the news?  The woman does 90% of the talking, the man sits by her side as if he has had a lobotomy - well maybe he has.

At that age it is the same in every culture.
Though it might not happen in most RW-WM marriages, simply because they may never become elderly couples (rather unlikely to happen given the 15-25 year age gaps)

[timothe]

...  When I found an energetic RW with a quick mind and an adventurous spirit, I never went back seriously to AW.  ...

That's a great explanation, Gator!!  That's exactly what I adore about my Olechka that I never found here.  (not saying it can't be found in AW...but I never found dated one fitting this description)

[IAmZon]

Not looking for a motivation coach.  But, if I were, you would be an excellent choice, Gator.

Actually, I wanted to compare my thinking regarding "motivation" to others.  I wanted to see if my answer differed materially from the norm. I was curious if some became dissolutioned over time.

Your comment: " Throughout my life I have been a creative man.  I abhor boredom and relish a challenge.  After a 25-year marriage and a series of new women, my life with AW  was apathetic.  When I found an energetic RW with a quick mind and an adventurous spirit, I never went back seriously to AW.  And to top it, she was well out of my league."  Is particularly poignant and precise.  Change my number 2 years with yours of 5 1/2 - and the answers could be the same.

Very clarifying

[Dnepr Girl]

All you have to do is get on your horse and go to Russia or Ukraine.  There is nothing stopping you other than yourself.

Rivardco, you know what you need to do.  Why don't you do it, and when will you?

[Photo Guy]

Riv,

RW are generally more attractive than AW. They seem to relate on a deeper level too.
In other words, it is more natural for them to depend on you and expect you to depend on them. So, I think it's an atmosphere of greater inter-dependency.(which I like) There's a predominant lifestyle in the US, where ultra-independence is the norm and sex/infatuation are valued over commitment, loyalty, patience, etc.

PS  YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE FSU YET!?  What's up with that?

[KenC]

Riv,

RW are generally more attractive than AW. They seem to relate on a deeper level too.
In other words, it is more natural for them to depend on you and expect you to depend on them. So, I think it's an atmosphere of greater inter-dependency.(which I like) There's a predominant lifestyle in the US, where ultra-independence is the norm and sex/infatuation are valued over commitment, loyalty, patience, etc.

PS  YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE FSU YET!?  What's up with that?

Photo,
I agree with you.  And just when are YOU going back to Ukraine?
KenC

[IAmZon]

Hello Dnepr Girl!!!

I am very optimistic about your beautiful city of Dniper!  I have several friends who have found BEAUTIFUL WIVES and loving companions there.

You know, Dneper Girl, I try to be a true gentleman.  When I go to you county I will look for adventure and history first, and sexy ladies second:)  Hmmm. It is already winter ....

I must wait now until Spring time, when skirts become fashionable again.  Don't you think?

Nice to see you here,

CIAO