Quick question

[Zeusophobia]

I see that Russian Women do not like being called a mail order bride, but I'm still calling them that beceause I do not know any alternative words for it.

What's the politicly correct term for mail order bride?

[Mir]

I would suggest you call each of them by her given name

[Lily]

I see that Russian Women do not like being called a mail order bride, but I'm still calling them that beceause I do not know any alternative words for it.

What's the politicly correct term for mail order bride?

What is a mail order bride please?

Question addressed to Zeusophobia.

[2tallbill]

International marriage?

Internet dating?

Long distance love?

You seriously can't think of any less derogatory term?


Bill

[acrzybear]

I see that Russian Women do not like being called a mail order bride, but I'm still calling them that beceause I do not know any alternative words for it.

What's the politicly correct term for mail order bride?

How about common courtesy?  Or do you normally use derogatory terms when you're trying to impress a lady?  Do what works at home- her given name.

[Kuna]

Z,

Please take no offense at what I'm about to say but I read your other thread and got the same feeling here.

I know you're young... and I know you have already read all of the agency hype... and I congratulate you for finding RWD in the early stages of your research...  but my advice to you is that you may find you need MUCH research and a little time before you meet witht he success you may desire.

If I may explain...  you can learn many many things here at RWD but what you can't learn is tact and common sense.  I sense a lack of both in some of your posts but of course it's easy to misread someone in writing.

Something I haven't seen mentioned here in a while is the RW's demands on a REAL MAN...  CHivalry is not dead in FSU dring the dating phases and trust me... you'll be expected to be the perfect gentleman at all times.

To have to ask the question above makes me think you may b a "salt of the earth" kind of guy... and while there's nothing wrong with that you had better have a gentlemanly core to your body and a soul that seduces women.  A good FSUW doesn't WANT to leave her family, friends and home...  a good FSUW WILL leave everything she knows and loves IF she falls in love with the right man.

To be "the right man" you need something more than a passport and a decent income.

All the best in your search.

Kuna

btw... rather than trying to pigeon-hole someone as a MOB try identifying with the ladies as people... real life, breathing, feeling, thinking people.  There are many generalisations in this search but ultimately you'll deal with an individual in all cases.

 

[William3rd]

What is a mail order bride please?
Question addressed to Zeusophobia.

"addressed" ?!?!?!?!? Very punny. . .

Wouldnt we be mail-order grooms as well?

[Gator]

Zeus,

I admire your thirst for knowledge; however, as with Kuna I am beginning to question your judgment. The USMC instilled much confidence in you, yet you need to turn some of this off and start thinking.

If you have read the FAQ, I suggest that you also need to read the following:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=5853.0

There may be some RW ideal for you; however, I do not recommend that you start a correspondence campaign.  Most of the women with internet access are educated and would demand the same in their man.   

Instead, take a trip to a smaller city (certainly not Moscow or Kiev) and work with a reputable agency without much prior correspondence other than to introduce yourself.  Ask the agency to arrange many meetings with young women who have tech degrees, who work as cashiers, etc.  You can meet 3-4 women per day and probably find a couple of candidates to become Mrs. Diesel and stay home barefoot and pregnant.

[Zeusophobia]

What is a mail order bride please?

Question addressed to Zeusophobia.

A girl from a foreign country who wants to marry someone from the west.

And to everyone else, I'm going to call the girl by her name once I know it, OBVIOUSLY.

In my first post here I used the term mail order bride and it seemed to irritate some people. I don't want to spread this term around if it's wrong, so I just want to know a general term for these women for when I'm talking to my friends.

[ScottinCrimea]

A girl from a foreign country who wants to marry someone from the west.

And to everyone else, I'm going to call the girl by her name once I know it, OBVIOUSLY.

In my first post here I used the term mail order bride and it seemed to irritate some people. I don't want to spread this term around if it's wrong, so I just want to know a general term for these women for when I'm talking to my friends.

Rethink your definition.  These are WOMEN from a foreign country who are OPEN to marrying someone from the West.  A distinct difference that, if you don't get your mind around, will shoot you down before you ever start.

[Zeusophobia]

Rethink your definition.  These are WOMEN from a foreign country who are OPEN to marrying someone from the West.  A distinct difference that, if you don't get your mind around, will shoot you down before you ever start.

Girl woman, means the same exact thing, my dad calls my mom a girl all the time and she's 47. The fact that people on this forum like to find the smallest things and pick at them ruthlessly is starting to get a bit irritating.

[I/O]

The fact that people on this forum like to find the smallest things and pick at them ruthlessly is starting to get a bit irritating.

Get used to it grasshopper. We're just a buch of bored ol' bastards with nothing better to do.

I/O

[Gator]

Zeus,

Are you here to learn or not?  You have much to learn.

This forum is RWD, not RGD.  The use of the term "women" shows respect in America, and you will learn that when you become more developed intellectually and socially.  Your father's expression is a loving term of endearment special between the two of them.

In this case, you are lucky because Russians tend to use the term "dyevushka" (girl) to address a young woman.

[Zeusophobia]

Z,

Please take no offense at what I'm about to say but I read your other thread and got the same feeling here.

I know you're young... and I know you have already read all of the agency hype... and I congratulate you for finding RWD in the early stages of your research...  but my advice to you is that you may find you need MUCH research and a little time before you meet witht he success you may desire.

If I may explain...  you can learn many many things here at RWD but what you can't learn is tact and common sense.  I sense a lack of both in some of your posts but of course it's easy to misread someone in writing.

Something I haven't seen mentioned here in a while is the RW's demands on a REAL MAN...  CHivalry is not dead in FSU dring the dating phases and trust me... you'll be expected to be the perfect gentleman at all times.

To have to ask the question above makes me think you may b a "salt of the earth" kind of guy... and while there's nothing wrong with that you had better have a gentlemanly core to your body and a soul that seduces women.  A good FSUW doesn't WANT to leave her family, friends and home...  a good FSUW WILL leave everything she knows and loves IF she falls in love with the right man.

To be "the right man" you need something more than a passport and a decent income.

All the best in your search.

Kuna

btw... rather than trying to pigeon-hole someone as a MOB try identifying with the ladies as people... real life, breathing, feeling, thinking people.  There are many generalisations in this search but ultimately you'll deal with an individual in all cases.

 

Tact and common sence are things I have plenty of, although I'm beginning to doubt you have either considering you make such a post in hopes not to offend me.

I think the words you're looking for a blunt and overconfident, and yes, I am. It's not going to change any time soon either. From my research Russian women are pretty blunt themselves, and from personal experience women in general prefer confidence.

I'm also doing plenty of research AND learning Russian before I even start in with this, as I've mentioned before. I'm probably going to finish my degree too.

So for future reference, I say what I mean and I mean what I say, and I'm not going to sugar coat it for you.

I have plenty enough common sence to know that my posts can potentially piss someone off, but IMO if you're the type of person who is annoyed by that kinda stuff I really don't care for you anyway so I'm gunna go ahead and post.

[Zeusophobia]

Zeus,

Are you here to learn or not?  You have much to learn.

This forum is RWD, not RGD.  The use of the term "women" shows respect in America, and you will learn that when you become more developed intellectually and socially.  Your father's expression is a loving term of endearment special between the two of them.

In this case, you are lucky because Russians tend to use the term "dyevushka" (girl) to address a young woman.

Dually noted, but if you've noticed I've been referred to them as women thus far, and I got jumped on for a minor slipup.

[Kuna]

Z,

If you're feeling ANY irritation at the advice you're getting here put it down to great training for the hard work ahead.

You might have missed Scottincrimea's point...  He wasn't playing with the semantics of woman versus girl...  he was saying that the females aren't as keen to leave their homes and families as the agencies would want newbies to expect.

This is a hard road to take...  you either need and extraordinary plan or a lot of luck.  As I mentioned earlier you may need much time before you start throwing your money at agencies and airlines.

Gator gave some good advice earlier and I really hope you don't take our comments the wrong way...  I said earlier you seem like a "salt of the earth" kinda guy...  that means you may not appear as refined or sophisticated as someone who graduated from Harvard. This DOESN'T mean you are less of a person... in fact in my eyes a forthright bloke is often a better person than a "smoothy" with a high education in my eyes... yet you may be better off considering women/girls who appreciate you for your core qualities rather than those that seek a higher education (smoother exterior).

A woman from a big city might be more likely to DEMAND a man with a higher education.  A woman without a higher education or one from a smaller city might not be as interested in education...  The key for you is finding a suitable partner who would also choose you!

The MOST IMPORTANT thing to understand early on is that you MUST emotionally break the myths the agencies want you to believe.  Agencies/service providers/guides make money out of your interest.  They will do their utmost to increase your interest.

The reality is this... and please read carefully:

- GOOD FSUW are not easy to find - there are many beautiful women...  but it's what's inside that counts;
- MANY people (whether individuals or organizations) are going to try to scam you out of your money;
- MOST GOOD FSUW don't want to leave their homes and families...  but they DO want a good husband, stable relationship, strong family;
- Not all FSUW are the same - they all have their strengths and weaknesses - just like us men;
- Finding a GOOD FSUW will take time and money... do not under-estimate either;
- Education in FSU is/was important to improve the social conditions of people... education is respected in FSU - but not ESSENTIAL to finding a GOOD FSUW for a stable marriage;
- Some FSUW will not want a husband working in a manual job... not because they are not good men, but because often such men in FSU are in unstable or dangerous jobs;
- The advice you get here at RWD won't always be pleasant, but if you accept the truths as they are provided and choose the most appropriate path for YOUR individual circumstances you will be miles ahead in this journey compared with going it alone.  No one here wants to see you fail... and they will tell you what they believe.  You need to understand it - and that is a big challenge when you've already been polluted by the agency marketing.

Good luck!

Kuna

Z,

I've just read your follow up post and am a little disappointed but not surprised at your response...

Tact and common sence are things I have plenty of, although I'm beginning to doubt you have either considering you make such a post in hopes not to offend me.

I think the words you're looking for a blunt and overconfident, and yes, I am. It's not going to change any time soon either. From my research Russian women are pretty blunt themselves, and from personal experience women in general prefer confidence.

I'm also doing plenty of research AND learning Russian before I even start in with this, as I've mentioned before. I'm probably going to finish my degree too.

So for future reference, I say what I mean and I mean what I say, and I'm not going to sugar coat it for you.

I have plenty enough common sence to know that my posts can potentially piss someone off, but IMO if you're the type of person who is annoyed by that kinda stuff I really don't care for you anyway so I'm gunna go ahead and post.

As you appreciate things not being sugar coated let me "fall into line".

1. Blunt and overconfident are not characteristics desired by most RW. Sophistication, humour, stability and chivalry are all in high demand!
2. Research, learning the language and finishing your studies are all admirable goals.  None of those will add to your maturity.  By the time you finish all you may find the search easier
3. I'm glad you won't sugar coat your requests for advice and help.  I promise not to sugar coat my responses.  At this point I think you're drastically out of your league!
4. I'm not annoyed in the slightest... I'm offering advice in the hope I can help you or someone that wants to find what I've found.    Your attitude is like many others that come here and fail.  Your chances of success are parallel to your ability to understand and use the advice you receive here... and to date I reckon your chance of success are pretty low.

Again,  good luck in your preparation and search.  The ignore button is just below my name on the left if you don't like the responses and honest advice you get.

Kuna!

[BillyB]

In this case, you are lucky because Russians tend to use the term "dyevushka" (girl) to address a young woman.

That is correct, my fiancee routinely says "dyevushka" when calling on a young woman waitress. Even many RW here refer to young women as girls in their post with no insult intended.

Zeus, what you're getting here is nothing compared to the hardships you endured in the Marines. It's optional if you want to believe opinions and follow advice as you must do with a drill seargent in your face. Although the delivery of advice and opinions by some may come across rough, there may be good advice in there to absorb.

[Zeusophobia]

Ok, so I want to find a girl without a degree. Aren't their less of them?

Thanks for the advice anyways, I just don't take kindly to someone telling me I have no common sence.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Ok, so I want to find a girl without a degree. Aren't their less of them?

Thanks for the advice anyways, I just don't take kindly to someone telling me I have no common sence.

Get used to it Z.  You will hear that and a lot more when you marry a RW. 

Just relax and open your mind to what is being said.  I know some of the tones are a little harsh.  You are here for a purpose so why let others interfere because of the way they post.

You have a lot of time.  You are young so there is no hurry.  Enjoy the ride because it can be a rollercoaster.
You never know, you may end up a better person from the experience.

I don't think you necessarily need to find a girl without a degree.  Just find someone you have some common goals.  Someone who you connect with on levels that no one else could.  I have seen some pretty idiotic people with degrees. 


Cheers,


Thomas

[acrzybear]

Girl woman, means the same exact thing, my dad calls my mom a girl all the time and she's 47. The fact that people on this forum like to find the smallest things and pick at them ruthlessly is starting to get a bit irritating.

But you are providing soooo much to be picked at, but seriously  in regards to your other post about being confident etc... There is nothing wrong with being confident in yourself and your abilities, but there comes a point when a persons' confidence turns into arrogance-and any lady (or women if you prefer) worth a damn will find it a big turn off.  

  Also just use your common sense and be a gentleman when dealing with the ladies, you are not dealing with the gals from the trailer park outside PI.

[Kuna]

Ok, so I want to find a girl without a degree. Aren't their less of them?

Thanks for the advice anyways, I just don't take kindly to someone telling me I have no common sence.

Z,

Your early posts in here still suggest to me that you lack common senSe but as I said the written word is sometimes difficult to understand.  This is ALWAYS something to keep in mind when writing to FSUW.

It doesn't matter if there are less of them or more of them... it doesn't matter is there are more blondes or more brunettes... it doesn't matter if there are more B cups or more D cups...  What matters is that you understand yourself well enough so that you can meet a woman appropriate for YOU.

Some here (I can think of one member) might criticise a man for seeking a girl without a higher education or a girl without a career... IMHO it takes all sorts... and if you are best matched to a girl without a big career drive then that is what you should seek. You may find a girl with a degree who likes you for being you... I'm just suggesting you need to think about WHO IS COMPATIBLE!

The worst thing you could do is misrepresent yourself in correspondence with a woman and you end up marrying her only to find out you are dreadfully incompatible after the relationship starts... or worse...after marriage.

Something else to consider is the ACTUAL intentions of a girl in your age range.  A member here recently ended a serious relaitonship with a (approx) 20 yr old girl because it seems he took the relaitonship more seriously than her.  he made mistakes like sending money for her education etc and she made the mistake of dating other men.

Women in FSU (ESPECIALLY THE YOUNG ONES) are seeing things MUCH better economically than single women were in the early 90's.  Keep telling yourself they are NOT desperate... and they will be choosey too.  There are good women there but it takes time and effort to find them.

Kuna
 

[I/O]

Ok, so I want to find a girl without a degree. Aren't their less of them?

There is degrees (Diplomas) and degrees in Russia. A large number of the universities are Technical universities which are about on par with Technical colleges in the USA, Aus and other places. Look out for terms like "Higher University", "State University" and such if you are looking to compare apples with apples.

Many Russian women will have a better general education than westerners, but understand those educations are also very often geared internally rather than internationally.

I/O

[Makkin]

Zeus,

  Take your time and have fun learning what you really need to learn. If you want the best things to happen for you just be sure you study things closely and confidently.
  You will do fine if you have a good heart and the ability to "be the man" as Gator would say..lol
 
  I have faith in you MARINE and you will learn like others have who post here about what it takes to learn..lol. By NO means has anyone not made mistakes and those that say they have not are just fibbing me thinks..lol

Makkin

Makkin

[Gator]

As I stated before, the USMC gave you a lot of confidence.  It is the type of confidence that when your Gunnery Sergeant orders you to charge a fortified enemy position, you do it boldly without hesitation using the tactics long imprinted in your mind.

The confidence that a RW appreciates is different.  It is the confidence of a man who is clever when facing a new situation, who has a plan, who has everything under control, who knows what to do, and who does it calmly without a Gunny Sgt (although I understand a RW frequently assumes that position)   

[Makkin]

  And so far Zeus has "adapted and improvised" here on RWD.

Makkin