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[Bluebell]

I think it is wrong to say that only one woman should have all the respect here, it is completely incorrect behaviour towards all women who participate in RWD

It is the same that all women would say let us respect only Dan just cos he is admin of RWD and all the rest of them are nobody , it is just wrong

Jazzy, I think you misunderstood my post. Of course, all women should have all the respect here but fact is, not all of them gained such an unanimous respect as Lily with her always cool, objective and understanding behaviour. Did any of you get in the slightest conflict with her? I am not much on this board but seems to me, that no, she usually manages to avoid to post anything negative but still, defends her statements very well.

Please, don't interpret respect and admiration for Lily  as criticism for the rest of the women, it was certainly not written with that intention.

[Gator]

Jazzy,

Bluebell's "outmost" respect does not mean "sole" respect.

Besides, I

respect

you even though you annoy me sometimes.   

Hang in here and continue to improve your vocabulary before moving to your new country.  It certainly will facilitate your adjustment.

[Jazzyclassy]

Jazzy, I think you misunderstood my post. Of course, all women should have all the respect here but fact is, not all of them gained such an unanimous respect as Lily with her always cool, objective and understanding behaviour. Did any of you get in the slightest conflict with her? I am not much on this board but seems to me, that no, she usually manages to avoid to post anything negative but still, defends her statements very well.

Please, don't interpret respect and admiration for Lily  as criticism for the rest of the women, it was certainly not written with that intention.

She does not have conflicts with people cos she is telling them what they want to hear, you never know her real opinion on this or that topic, and this is insincere policy
Just cause she never reveals her true real point of view makes people respect her the most ??? aaa something new here , so many of you prefer to hear sweet lie than bitter truth , not a surpirse  really

[Bluebell]

She does not have conflicts with people cos she is telling them what they want to hear, you never know her real opinion on this or that topic, and this is insincere policy
Just cause she never reveals her true real point of view makes people respect her the most ??? aaa something new here , so many of you prefer to hear sweet lie than bitter truth , not a surpirse  really

Jazzy, what you say is very sensible and I would agree that is insincere to tell always what other people want to hear despite one's real opinion.The problem is that I don't know in person Lily, don't know her real, true self just like the majority of the members do not, so I have no reason to doubt she is sincere in her posts. Why would she not be? Or maybe you know something that the rest of us don't?

[Jazzyclassy]

According to many of her posts you can see that she never speaks out her mind, she makes it all knit and tidy without any shadow of her opinion, am not against anyone or trying to blame somebody , I am just telling that it is wrong to chose one person , plus you do not know her as you told and to tell that she is the most respected person and bla bla bla, how can you claim she has all the respect here if you do not know her? I think everybody should be equal here without any priority in the first place, as almost all of us do not know each other in person, maybe some guys know the others in person , well only Gator met Lily and Richard well but they are not the whole members of the RWD, I mean it makes other women  look ridiculous in comparison with Lily's grace and amazing sense of tact,  I think it is disrespectful towards the rest of the women here.

[Bluebell]

I am sorry, Jazzy, if you don't like that I find Lily diplomatic and wise but can't help, this is my opinion about her now based on her posts, even if at one point it turned out to be wrong. Hope, nobody will have any objection for finding your posts very cute and full of youthful enthusiasm, and that I think you are a smart girl who is still at the beginning of a very long path  And I assure you that if I, or anybody else for that matter, praise you it will not make the other women look less or ridiculous. Or you think that any compliment directed to you would make other women appear ridiculous? In any case, it doesn't bother me when other women get compliments, moreover, I too will tell if like something about them but true, I don't feel threatened at all by any woman' s beauty, intelligence or other virtues.


Edited by me due to repetition of some words.

[Admin]

According to many of her posts you can see that she never speaks out her mind, she makes it all knit and tidy without any shadow of her opinion, am not against anyone or trying to blame somebody , I am just telling that it is wrong to chose one person , plus you do not know her as you told and to tell that she is the most respected person and bla bla bla, how can you claim she has all the respect here if you do not know her? I think everybody should be equal here without any priority in the first place, as almost all of us do not know each other in person, maybe some guys know the others in person , well only Gator met Lily and Richard well but they are not the whole members of the RWD, I mean it makes other women  look ridiculous in comparison with Lily's grace and amazing sense of tact,  I think it is disrespectful towards the rest of the women here.

Jazzy,

Your post is terribly insulting. How can you possibly know if Lily "speaks out her mind" - or not?!? Are you clairvoyant? DO you have some special knowledge of Lily's innermost opinions?

This post of yours strikes me as; (a) incredibly ungracious, and (b) incredibly insecure. It is ungracious because it presumes that Lily is not offering her honest opinions - and you cannot possibly know that. It is insecure because you seem distraught that Lily is getting attention - and you are not.

JC, in those instances where someone compliments, or expresses appreciation for, someone other than you - it is NOT a reflection or a diminution of you or their feelings/attitude toward you.

- Dan

[KenC]

She does not have conflicts with people cos she is telling them what they want to hear, you never know her real opinion on this or that topic, and this is insincere policy
Just cause she never reveals her true real point of view makes people respect her the most ??? aaa something new here , so many of you prefer to hear sweet lie than bitter truth , not a surpirse  really

According to many of her posts you can see that she never speaks out her mind, she makes it all knit and tidy without any shadow of her opinion, am not against anyone or trying to blame somebody , I am just telling that it is wrong to chose one person , plus you do not know her as you told and to tell that she is the most respected person and bla bla bla, how can you claim she has all the respect here if you do not know her? I think everybody should be equal here without any priority in the first place, as almost all of us do not know each other in person, maybe some guys know the others in person , well only Gator met Lily and Richard well but they are not the whole members of the RWD, I mean it makes other women  look ridiculous in comparison with Lily's grace and amazing sense of tact,  I think it is disrespectful towards the rest of the women here.

Jazzy,
These have to be your two most ridiculous posts to date.

Again you think you know what is on people's minds more than they do themselves. (Lily is not speaking the truth as you see it)  How can you possibly know what is going on in her mind?  (You cannot)

No one choose Lily as the most respected woman here, but she is near the top of my list.  The list of respected women here at RWD is long and rich but unfortunately, you would not be on it because of your jealous and immature behavior.

Even though your statement regarding Lily's grace and wonderful sense of tact is "right on the money", your statement that it is disrespectful to you and other women just shows how small and jealous you can be of others.  If you want to be respected here, try making respectful and insightful posts instead of trying to drag others down to your level.

We are all judged in one way or another by the contents of what we post here.  That is why some have earned the respect of others and then people like you do not.
KenC

[Jazzyclassy]

It is never insulting, that is how I think

I also praised Lily many times, so what when I felt she was sincere,

How can you know what I feel about this or that person? you feel that she is sincere, for you her level is the limit of sincerity for me not

how can you call it insultive ? it is absolutely normal

[Jazzyclassy]

oh I got loads of attention from Ken C and Jack and many of those I 've had enough really , so it is not about the attention at all

[Shadow]

It is never insulting, that is how I think

I also praised Lily many times, so what when I felt she was sincere,

How can you know what I feel about this or that person? you feel that she is sincere, for you her level is the limit of sincerity for me not

how can you call it insultive ? it is absolutely normal

You can feel things for yourself. As far as the forums are, you should take what is written as reality. Unlike in spoken word, unless there are smileys to give the intended emotions, you will have to take it at face value.
If it is your opinion that a person can not be like that, you can have this opinion. However unless you can provide proof of your opinion (for instance completely opposite posting at other forums)  it is best to keep it to yourself.

[Jazzyclassy]

You can feel things for yourself. As far as the forums are, you should take what is written as reality. Unlike in spoken word, unless there are smileys to give the intended emotions, you will have to take it at face value.
If it is your opinion that a person can not be like that, you can have this opinion. However unless you can provide proof of your opinion (for instance completely opposite posting at other forums)  it is best to keep it to yourself.

no wait a minute Mister, you are all allowed to express your opinion and the others  are not, I must accept your opinion and basta and you ask proofs for my opinion

give me proofs for your opinion, what are you talking about in here

Forum is for everybody ,  why I need to take your opinion as a fact and you discharge mine

I think why I think her posts are insincere cos she never has different opinion from so many variety of people which is not natural there will always be person or topic which will be somehow different from how you think ..... and she is always sticking to this or that side , she has no own words to say , she wants always to be liked and praised, you can blame me in anything, but there is something interesting here.

[vwrw]

Use of words “more”, “less”, “the best”, “worst”, and so on, implies not only describing an individual, but comparing the individual with others either.

“To win outmost respect and admiration of most of the RWD members” – this is a conclusion based on comparison of the size of respect of other women and
an assumption that Bluebell knows what opinion most RWD members have regarding Lily. So, I can understand the foundation of Jazzy’s displeasure with Bluebell’s words.  What I cannot understand why so little error of Bluebell in choosing words to compliment Lily caused so passionate defense of Jazzy?   

[Admin]

no wait a minute Mister, you are all allowed to express your opinion and the others  are not, I must accept your opinion and basta and you ask proofs for my opinion

give me proofs for your opinion, what are you talking about in here

Forum is for everybody ,  why I need to take your opinion as a fact and you discharge mine

I think why I think her posts are insincere cos she never has different opinion from so many variety of people which is not natural there will always be person or topic which will be somehow different from how you think ..... and she is always sticking to this or that side , she has no own words to say , she wants always to be liked and praised, you can blame me in anything, but there is something interesting here.

Jazzy,

It would be a mistake for you to create a huge firestorm on this point.

You are correct that this forum is for everyone. You are correct that all are equal here. You are naive if you fail to recognize that all members earn respect and appreciation (or the opposite) from others by their contributions. Lily has certainly earned a great deal of respect here - and Bluebell was expressing that opinion.

Your opinion that Lily is not offering her true opinion was, in *MY* opinion, a VERY nasty and mean-spirited comment - and one which has no basis in objective fact.

Everyone here - you, KenC, Lily, Bluebell, and everyone else - earns respect and credibility (or NOT) by what they post. If your choice is to express a negative opinion about someone - you MUST accept the consequences of that choice. When you express that opinion and have no basis for the opinion - or the basis for your opinion is immature or jealous - you MUST accept the consequence that other RWD members will then associate those characteristics with YOU.

I am sorry JC, but the fact that you do not seem to recognize this saddens me. The fact that you want to defend your unfair negative accusations toward another saddens me further.

You *need* to take some time for SERIOUS introspection.

- Dan

[Makkin]

Heyyyy Jazzy Girl,

 Long time no see since you got married but should I still call you Jazzy or mrs. Jazzy..lol

  Good to see you around and in standard lay zay fare..lol

Your Friend,

Makkin

[Jazzyclassy]

it is not a passionate defense it is just an observation

observation of long time spending in this forum

Unfortunately nothing has changed , but many people grew far then the frames which are established here, every suggestion or every move is considered to be something out of somebody's league aren't they sick of this themselves?

[Admin]

it is not a passionate defense it is just an observation

observation of long time spending in this forum

Unfortunately nothing has changed , but many people grew far then the frames which are established here, every suggestion or every move is considered to be something out of somebody's league aren't they sick of this themselves?

Jazzy,

If you have a criticism - or better, a suggestion for improvement - please post it in the forum for Feedback.

- Dan

[Jazzyclassy]

Do not be sad Dan what for?

I accept anything any critics and blamings it is just strange  how you quickly ready to teach me and to correct me

I am not creating any firestorm , just letting you know that to gain someone's respect takes much more than just forum posts!

[Jazzyclassy]

Jazzy,

If you have a criticism - or better, a suggestion for improvement - please post it in the forum for Feedback.

- Dan

sure

[Admin]

Do not be sad Dan what for?

I accept anything any critics and blamings it is just strange  how you quickly ready to teach me and to correct me

I am not creating any firestorm , just letting you know that to gain someone's respect takes much more than just forum posts!

JC,

It saddens me because I believe that without the knowledge of how your behavior is interpreted, and responded to, by others - it will create many future problems for you.

As for gaining respect - there are many forms. I believe you are referring to the respect one gains from others in real life - and you are correct. In terms of forum participation, there exists here a 'community' of members - and credibility is given, or removed, on the strength of each member's contributions and participation in the community. Some members earn respect for their knowledge. Others for their willingness to share whatever they have learned - even if not as much as the next person. Some members earn respect for their youthful enthusiasm - and yet others earn respect for their life wisdom and sage advice. Credibility and respect does not come in a single form - rather, it comes in many forms and it is neither persistent nor pervasive. That is - it is not given interminably and it does not apply universally. It is an ethereal commodity that is the 'life's blood' of a forum such as RWD, but it is exceptionally difficult to quantify - though most know it when they see it.

Lily has earned the credibility and respect she enjoys at RWD. Others are on their way to earning it. Some are undermining any credibility they had. That is how things work - both in real life, and here at RWD.

- Dan

[xStevenx]

well about the Belgium's I can only say this: we do have the best chocolates in the world

about Lily and Serebro, they are not the girls I'm talking about, I don't even know them

about my secret love: we did not meet for real but soon we will, but I can say we are talking every day for hours at chat and we are on the webcam whole nights long and we where not bored for one second

to you, my lapochka I can only say this, soon we will be together (only 24 days more) and we will let everybody see that true love is still alive, I love you so xxxxxxxxxx

[Admin]

well about the Belgium's I can only say this: we do have the best chocolates in the world

about Lily and Serebro, they are not the girls I'm talking about, I don't even know them

Steven,

No need to speak to the question about the lady you are corresponding with. Gator, upthread, reminded us that it is really none of our business. The important thing is that you, and she, are happy in the pursuit of a possible relationship - and that you are well-grounded in the realities of your current status and the challenges ahead of you.

Sorry about the thread hijacking. It happens occasionally here - as we have some very outspoken members.

- Dan

[xStevenx]

Steven,

No need to speak to the question about the lady you are corresponding with. Gator, upthread, reminded us that it is really none of our business. The important thing is that you, and she, are happy in the pursuit of a possible relationship - and that you are well-grounded in the realities of your current status and the challenges ahead of you.

Sorry about the thread hijacking. It happens occasionally here - as we have some very outspoken members.

- Dan

its okay really, I like to read the posts and it is actually funny my post is so popular

[SANDRO43]

... it is just strange how you quickly ready to teach me and to correct me

Not reallly strange, the explanation is VERY simple: you DO appear to have yet a LOT to learn, but your main problem is that you also appear quite unwilling to do so, which may become a considerably more serious problem when you will eventually resettle in the UK: you will have to deal daily with others not necessarily sharing your opinions, and gaining their respect in real life will not be too much dissimilar from what happens here.

... to gain someone's respect takes much more than just forum posts!

Granted but, as others have tried to explain, in the absence of direct, personal acquaintance, one's posts are already a decently good/bad measure of one's personality, unless you assume duplicity, fawning, etc.

[acrzybear]

about my secret love: we did not meet for real but soon we will, but I can say we are talking every day for hours at chat and we are on the webcam whole nights long and we where not bored for one second

xStevenx 

I know your emotions are running high, but don't get your hopes up to much.  It is one thing to look at pictures and talk on the telephone and quite another to spend an extended amount of time with a person.  I've never understood how people can fall in love with a person without spending a significant amount of time with them and getting to know their quirks and such. 

 Either way good luck with your endeavors and hope things work out for you.