Who am I and much more

[Bluebell]

Use of words “more”, “less”, “the best”, “worst”, and so on, implies not only describing an individual, but comparing the individual with others either.

“To win outmost respect and admiration of most of the RWD members” – this is a conclusion based on comparison of the size of respect of other women and
an assumption that Bluebell knows what opinion most RWD members have regarding Lily. So, I can understand the foundation of Jazzy’s displeasure with Bluebell’s words.  What I cannot understand why so little error of Bluebell in choosing words to compliment Lily caused so passionate defense of Jazzy?   

Thank you, VWRW, for the text interpretation but may I draw your attention that in this context using ''outmost'' doesn't refer in any way to the size of respect other women may have earned or not on this board, it refers only and only to the respect Lily have earned. I used the expression ''most of the RWD members'' exactly for the simple reason to leave space for those who are not among the ''most''. Yes, it was an assumption from my part to say most, based on the posts which so many people addressed to Lily, expressing their approval, admiration, respect.  That Jazzy is not among them? She must have her own reasons, and that too should be accepted. But it is really a mystery for me why Jazzy or anyone else would feel insulted or have the slightest displeasure reading my words about Lily. As somebody mentioned earlier (apologies for not remembering the poster's name), we evaluate constantly, give feedbacks, appreciate each other's words, actions, this seems quite normal. Who and for what we respect, it is quite a personal choice.

[ionizer]

I for one try very hard not to offend anyone, just as I do in real life (MOST of the time...)  I know that humor sometimes isn't helpful in my case, because I have the kind of sense of humor that if you can't see my facial expression or hear the tone of my voice,(sometimes even if you can) it just doesn't work...  That said, it doesn't mean that my opinion is any less valid than anyone else's, I just try to express it in a manner that's not gonna p!ss people off too much.  It seems that Lily does much the same.  Jazzy and others may not always be that way, but I still value their opinions, and the information that I get from what they say is just as helpful as someone who is more mellow.
I really hope I'm not p!ssing anyone off now!!!
"Can't we all just get along?" Rodney King

I'm terribly sorry, I had forgotten to congratulate Stephen and wish him much luck and happiness!

[Jazzyclassy]

relax everybody it was just my opinion, I need to post less like I did recently

[Admin]

relax everybody it was just my opinion, I need to post less like I did recently

JC,

Your posting practices, per se, were not the issue. Your attitude - is.

You may not realize that many people were trying to offer you help - by helping you to see something which you apparently do not see yourself.

Whether you choose to post here, or elsewhere, or do not post at all - it is my opinion that you demonstrated, in this series of posts, a serious need to re-evaluate your attitudes and opinions towards others - and about yourself.

Take my suggestion - or not. Act on it - or not. It is, of course, your choice.

Good luck.

- Dan

[xStevenx]

xStevenx 

I know your emotions are running high, but don't get your hopes up to much.  It is one thing to look at pictures and talk on the telephone and quite another to spend an extended amount of time with a person.  I've never understood how people can fall in love with a person without spending a significant amount of time with them and getting to know their quirks and such. 

 Either way good luck with your endeavors and hope things work out for you.

Well I guess I just am some romantic soul who still believes in  love at first sight and I really believe she feels the same

thanks for the best wishes (for all of you who did send them)

I do want to add that she was the first that did not ask me for money, in fact she told me not to spend money at all to hear and whats more she comes to Belgium with tourist visa so I did not even had to apply for the guest visa on my account and that to contribute to my convincing that she is the real deal and not just want to use me in search of a better live
to tell you the true and she knows about that to, she got more money then I have and for us (if everything will work out as we wish for, and I'm sure it will) she even offered me to life in here country and not in Belgium and really I'm open for this suggestion so we will see what future will bring. I really understand that we are at the beginning of a new adventure together and that we still have a long way to go but you have to start somewhere

and I know for sure this fairytail will have a happy ending, I'm 36yo, I don't have time to waist and keep on starting over again

[I/O]

and I know for sure this fairytail will have a happy ending, I'm 36yo, I don't have time to waist and keep on starting over again

This comment is very concerning indeed. Steven, you ALWAYS have time, particularly in the business of love.

I/O

[ScottinCrimea]

This comment is very concerning indeed. Steven, you ALWAYS have time, particularly in the business of love.

I/O

Just ask Turbo   

[xStevenx]

This comment is very concerning indeed. Steven, you ALWAYS have time, particularly in the business of love.

I/O

actually what I mean by that line is not that I don't have time and that I will not take time to do things the right way, I meant that I don't need to fool around anymore and that I am ready to commit myself to a serious relationship

[I/O]

Steven: I am simply trying to pour some cool water on the situation so you see it as it actually is. What you have now is a pen friend with pictures.

I am long since on the record as being a strong believer in the value of letters and other non face communications, BUT and the BUT is that they are just that, non face communications from which you can learn very much about the other person, even to the point of concluding if this is "The Type" or person you would like to marry, but to decide this BEFORE meeting and to publically declare it as you have is setting yourself up for a helluva crash.

I/O

[acrzybear]

There is nothing wrong with being romantic, but you need to also be practical and realistic when dealing with what life throws at you.

[vwrw]

Thank you, VWRW, for the text interpretation but may I draw your attention that in this context using ''outmost'' doesn't refer in any way to the size of respect other women may have earned or not on this board, it refers only and only to the respect Lily have earned.

I am sorry for being a borer today. 

Bluebell, I understand that you had no any intention to insult any one on the board, but compliment Lily. Moreover, I am one of those who respect Lily; she struck me as a wonderful woman.  And I am absolutely indifferent if the most respectful woman of RWD is Lily or Jazzy or whoever. I just have found some truth in the words of Jazzy.

I know two ways to compliment people a) through description (you are beautiful) and b) through comparison (you are the most beautiful). In both examples there no any direct reference to anybody else. However in second case there is indirect implication that other people are less beautiful. And it is somewhat unfair to tell that the other people are less beautiful when you have never ever seen some of them 

IF the words “outmost” means something is more than the most, then there is indirect implication… that some people have won respect, other ones have won more respect and Lily was able to win outmost respect.

Weren’t words “correct me if I am wrong “ of yours an “invitation” for disagreed to express their opinions?

[Mir]

I know two ways to compliment people a) through description (you are beautiful) and b) through comparison (you are the most beautiful). In both examples there no any direct reference to anybody else. However in second case there is indirect implication that other people are less beautiful. And it is somewhat unfair to tell that the other people are less beautiful when you have never ever seen some of them 

Well everyone is entitled to their openion from what they see. If someone wants to tell someone else that he/she is the most beautiful/intelligent/knowledgable/anything person in/on this forum based on the impression he has formed by whatever has been posted them they have such right. It does not mean that the others are less beautiful/intelligent/less knowledgeable or anything else, just that for this person the others have not been able to make as good an impression through their postings.

I think some of the criticism heaped on JC might be unfair. If for some she comes across rather blunt here then is does not mean that she is unreasonable as a person. Afterall she has a successful relation going back several years and has married a very decent looking young man.

[KenC]

Main Entry: 1ut·most
Function: adjective
Pronunciation: '&t-"mOst, esp Southern -m&st
Etymology: Middle English, alteration of utmest, from Old English ūtmest, superlative adjective, from ūt out, adverb -- more at OUT
1 : situated at the farthest or most distant point : EXTREME <the utmost point of the earth -- John Hunt>
2 : of the greatest or highest degree, quantity, number, or amount <a matter of utmost concern>

I had always thought that the word meant to be used was "utmost" as there is no word "outmost."  I wasn't too sure so, I looked it up.  As you can see from the second definition, the term "Lily has the utmost respect here on RWD" would mean that Lily has indeed earned the highest degree of respect.  Which is correct IMO.  It does not exclude others from also having the "utmost respect" either.  Only the smallest of minds or someone psychotic with jealousy would ever take such praise of another as a personal insult.
KenC

[Gator]

KenC,

as there is no word "outmost." 

Not true.  I think it is more British as I recall an Eton graduate using the word.  We shall await limeys and UK citizens to comment.   

Regardless, the meaning is probably the same as "utmost".  "Outmost" makes sense as a deriviative of "outermost", and "utmost" probably derived from "outmost".   And we all know how limeys prefer to have extra letters in their spelling.

Any more nits to pick?

[I/O]

Any more nits to pick?

Sandro, this might be up your ally to shed some more light on seeing as this thread has gone totally AWOL.

I/O

[William3rd]

sighing- and yet, Ohhh never mind. At least it isnt Superstar posting. . .

[timothe]

There is nothing wrong with being romantic, but you need to also be practical and realistic when dealing with what life throws at you.

I'll have to disagree with this one, Bear.  Nothing risked, nothing gained.  Just don't step on the rights of others in the process. 

 

This thread has demonstrated the highly incestuous qualities of the RWD community. Very entertaining.

[Admin]

I'll have to disagree with this one, Bear.  Nothing risked, nothing gained.  Just don't step on the rights of others in the process. 

 

This thread has demonstrated the highly incestuous qualities of the RWD community. Very entertaining.

"incestuous" - HUH ?

I don't see the applicability of that term. Others, perhaps - but not that one.

- Dan

[timothe]

I used the word I wanted to use, Dan, in that this thread highlights the sibling in-fighting, gossip, rumor, and fatherly advice that you would find in the home of a large family.  I wasn't trying to be inflammatory.

Go back and read this thread from start to finish.  It's really funny.
 

[SANDRO43]

Not true.  I think it is more British as I recall an Eton graduate using the word.  We shall await limeys and UK citizens to comment. Regardless, the meaning is probably the same as "utmost". "Outmost" makes sense as a deriviative of "outermost", and "utmost" probably derived from "outmost".

What with incest and all, we're already wildly ,
so, though not British and since I/O gave me "rope", I'll tackle this interesting question on which etymology may shed some light:

outer
c.1386, comparative of out (on analogy of inner), replacing by 18c. forms descended from O.E. uttera (comp. of O.E. ut "out") which developed into utter and was no longer felt as connected with out.

(http://www.etymonline.com/)
So we have:
Old English UT (adv., prep., adj.) =  comparative 'utera' (English 'utter'), superlative 'utemest' (English 'utmost')
English OUT (adv., prep., adj., n., v. from OE 'ut') = comparative 'outer', superlative 'outmost'
English OUTER (adj.) = comp. (none, fortunately), sup. 'outermost'

Therefore the confusion arises from the survival of the UT derivatives and their competition with those of its descendant OUT, plus the evolution of the latter's comparative OUTER into an independent adjective (as 'utter' did), which permitted the formation of its superlative OUTERMOST (same as for 'utmost/uttermost, inmost/innermost'). Pronunciation may have contributed, too, since -TM- is not very easy to 'utter' . You can also blame it on the inherent syntactical flexibility of English.

And we all know how limeys prefer to have extra letters in their spelling. Any more nits to pick?

Yes, the Limey-preferred -ou- diphthong (with 5 different pronunciations) usually replaced by -o- on your side of the Atlantic (e.g. colour/color), is NEVER in the 1st syllable of an English word .

[Gator]

Sandro,

Did you just call me a diphthong?  I have been called a dip$hit before, but this is a new one. 

[I/O]

Think this thread should be renamed "What we are and not more".

I/O

[acrzybear]

I'll have to disagree with this one, Bear.  Nothing risked, nothing gained.  Just don't step on the rights of others in the process. 

 

This thread has demonstrated the highly incestuous qualities of the RWD community. Very entertaining. You leave my sister out of this 

 It has nothing to do with risk, if traveling from Texas to Tver on a WOVO doesn't show risk, I don't know what does.  What I meant is be practical and look at the whole situation.  Nothing against Steven, but he sounds like a love struck puppy dog and he has yet to meet this lady.   I'm all for searching for that ever elusive thing we call love, but I'm not going get emotionally attached and all goo goo eyed over the first lady that sends me a photograph or writes to me.

  The first meeting with a lady is just that-a meeting.  That first meeting is the initial step to see if two people are compatable,  there  are a number of folks on this board that are married and they know a whole lot more about the meetings and courtship process then I do. 

[Bluebell]

KenC and Sandro, thank you for your valuable contribution in clearing up this confusion about my using 'outmost' . I already started to suspect that Jazzy and VWRW might interpret it as ' out of ' while it was indeed meant as utmost or outermost, bearing the meaning of 'complete, highest'. In no way was formulated that OUT of all women Lily has the MOST respect but that she has earned the highest respect OF members (that is, not little, more, higher, etc. respect). These same members can pay their highest respect to as many people as they wish, as day by day we do our BEST in our jobs regardless of the work or customer.

[pk-uk]

the Limey-preferred -ou- diphthong (with 5 different pronunciations) usually replaced by -o- on your side of the Atlantic (e.g. colour/color), is NEVER in the 1st syllable of an English word.

 ??? Not sure I understand this.  Maybe it's just the way I say it?  outer?  ouzel?

On the other hand, these days I find it difficult to know what is English and what isn't.  For example I understand that "eating a faggot" may well bring to mind a different picture depending on which side of the Atlantic you are on and I'll never forget the look on a business collegue's face when an AW passed comment on my suspenders 

PK